Yeah it was a pretty awesome ep, probabbly the best of the season. I'm amazed that Rory and Amy are still traveling with the Doctor after that one though! And How come they never get to just visit another planet without killer robots appearing!
Well the time Donna pratted about in a spa made pretty good televsion, so who knows .
ToastiestZombie said:
This episode was good, kept out ALL of the river/doctors death bs and went for a nice, well thought out story. But what IM excited for is the next episode, it looks very nice and it looks like it could be a bit like the episode Blink (it does have weeping angels in it).
But, The Time of Angels had Angels in (obviously) and that wasn't so great an episode. But I do hope they're used well this time, not just for a cheap scare.
Huh?
When was that I need to watch it NOW Y'know if a dr who episode actually had the balls to say, this time the doctor fights ninja hookers, the writer should get a medal!
It's commonly known as Waif Fu [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu], and is why a Stripper who dresses like a Police Woman can build a Sonic Probe and shred robots without actually swinging her surprisingly effective and wellbuilt Katana until a man comes along, where she gets all emotional and falls into his arms.
Also, on a more geeky note, noticing a couple of patterns with the monsters in the episodes so far that I felt were significant:
1) They are always trying to be kind. The electric jellyfish were all "Please remain calm", the kid just wanted to fit in (and the dolls to "play"), and the monsters in this episode speak for themselves. "This is a kindness."
2) Their touch is deadly. The jellyfish were an instant kill, the dolls were an instant transform, and the robots were an instant anaesthetic.
Common theme along with repeated lines "Are you my mummy?", "Who put out the lights?", and stumbling monsters. The Cholo Zombies infected with touch, as did the Weeping Angels and the Vashta Nerada (in a fashion). The Clockwork Robots from the H.M.S. Madame Pompadour as well.
Note also the out-stretched hand, and the appearance of something almost human.
Where did Amy get the katana from anyway? There must have been a convenient 'sword display room' along with the garden and aquarium etc. I suppose...
Or am I missing something?
Yeah it was a pretty awesome ep, probabbly the best of the season. I'm amazed that Rory and Amy are still traveling with the Doctor after that one though! And How come they never get to just visit another planet without killer robots appearing!
Yeah it was a pretty awesome ep, probabbly the best of the season. I'm amazed that Rory and Amy are still traveling with the Doctor after that one though! And How come they never get to just visit another planet without killer robots appearing!
Where did Amy get the katana from anyway? There must have been a convenient 'sword display room' along with the garden and aquarium etc. I suppose...
Or am I missing something?
Well, they were supposed to be collecting copies of all the best works of art from all over the galaxy for the patients. Presumably Amy is lucky enough that a particularly finely crafted sword qualified as a 'work of art'.
Common theme along with repeated lines "Are you my mummy?", "Who put out the lights?", and stumbling monsters. The Cholo Zombies infected with touch, as did the Weeping Angels and the Vashta Nerada (in a fashion). The Clockwork Robots from the H.M.S. Madame Pompadour as well.
Note also the out-stretched hand, and the appearance of something almost human.
I know it's a common theme generally cause instant touch = bad, and because subverting something normal (the dark, the phrase "Are you my mummy?" which STILL gives me chills) is the basis of horror.
I just wonder if three of them in a row is a coincidence. You can probably find a theme to the villains in the first half of the series as well if you look hard enough.
It might not be relevant in the overall plotting, or even mentioned, but... best example I can think of is Phoenix Wright (if you haven't played them, I apologise). Not every villain and case is IMPORTANT to the main plot, but you'll understand the significance of certain ELEMENTS at a later date. For example in the second PW game, every "villain" is designed to be sympathetic, which ramps up the surprise when, in the final case,
Your initially dumb, ditzy client turns out to be the biggest monster in the entire series, who was prepared to blackmail the hitman he ordered to kill his rival in order to get away scot-free.
So that's what I think might be happening. Plus I've been on TvTropes too much.
As someone who really doesnt like this series I really really really liked this episode. Mostly because it had Amy +36 and Rory telling off the Doctor for being a pompus ass and made Amy a much more entertaining character. Rory is my favorite charater in this series anyway, he has emotional depth.
Also I find Karen Gillan really cute, from the behind the scenes thing on bbc3 she was basically a giddly little girl, who also never learned how to drive.
Where did Amy get the katana from anyway? There must have been a convenient 'sword display room' along with the garden and aquarium etc. I suppose...
Or am I missing something?
I assumed the gallery. Since the alien species enjoyed collecting art and historical artefacts and the like, I thought of it as a giant museum housing the best art and historic pieces across the universe.
A very good episode, a touching episode. Made me ask a lot of questions too. If I was in Amy's position (old one) would I save myself at the cost of never existing? Are we the same person or are we different people? Who should be the more important? Which should help who? Would I get along with myself or see myself as the enemy?
A very clever episode, I'll probably be thinking about those questions for ages now.
Brilliant episode- simple yet effective storyline with a sledgehammer of a moral dilemma and the Doctor being the cold, inhuman voice of reason throughout.
Oh Karen Gillan +36? Still hot.
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Yeah it was a pretty awesome ep, probabbly the best of the season. I'm amazed that Rory and Amy are still traveling with the Doctor after that one though! And How come they never get to just visit another planet without killer robots appearing!
Well that turned out to be a big meeeeeeeeeeehhh. It also turned out to be another episode that makes me think the show is now called Amy and Rory Who. The "Who" standing for who could possibly care about them since they are not what the show is about.
I'm tired of these episodes where The Doctor is basically a place holder just so that they can call the show Doctor Who. I think he was even less in this episode than he was in the last one. The show is about The Doctor and his travels possibly with companions, not the some random people's travels with some guy who is an alien and calls himself The Doctor.
I had thought Moffat was a great writer, but how he has handled the show since he took over, tells me that he is only great if he is given short bursts of recognition with single to two episodes a season, and not more episodes and control of the show.
He's ruined something that could have been great, by falling in love with these cliche, moronic, and uninteresting companions of Amy and Rory. He totally hosed up the whole River Song thing by making her their child, by randomly saying well if two humans conceive a child in the TARDIS, the baby becomes a Time Lord. That is like the stupidest idea in the history of stupid ideas in writing. It would have been so much more interesting if River Song turned out to be a Time Lord from the Doctor's past, or one from the future that he didn't know about that existed.
This episode is added to the small pile of episodes that I ended up wondering when the heck the episode would end because it was just that boring and not relevant to what the show is about.
It saddens me, because I know what is happening, Doctor Who has caught what I call "the Stargate Universe virus". In order to possibly get better ratings, the people running the show/show franchise, start making episodes that don't fit with what the show/show franchise stood for, in the hopes that they will gain a larger audience. The creators of Stargate Universe created a young angsty space soap opera that focused way too much on characters and not the Stargate, space travel, and aliens, which is what the show franchise is about. And now Moffat has changed Doctor Who into a show about a young angsty married couple that happen to be traveling through time with a guy called The Doctor, instead of what the show is really about, a show about The Doctor and what he does, his time traveling adventures where he happens to travel with companions from time to time.
The problem is that Doctor Who fandom is too great that many Doctor Who fans are blind to what the show is becoming. The core Stargate fans knew what they were doing by not watching Stargate Universe and letting it die, so that it didn't become a bigger horrible mark on the Stargate franchise. Even though Stargate fans like me knew that it might kill the chances of having another Stargate show, but we knew that Stargate Universe had to die to keep the integrity/quality of the franchise intact.
These newer episodes are destroying the quality of Doctor Who. I wouldn't be surprised if these new series of Doctor Who went the way of Stargate Universe, and I would actually welcome it, if I knew that future episodes were going to be this off message. Eccleston and Tennant kept the show to it's roots with their acting, Smith is doing his best, but with the droll mess and less screen time that Moffat is giving him, the show is suffering.
The Doctor has lived a long time, and maybe he has lived too long, to the point that he has become so familiar that the writers and producers that they have forgotten that the show is about him. If I was running the show, I would start fresh next series and I would do this:
1.)Write out Amy and Rory, maybe even say that The Doctor had been sucked into some messed up alternate reality. And in the proper reality, we find that River Song wasn't Amy and Rory's daughter and Amy and Rory don't exist in the proper reality. That way we can get The Doctor's story and River Song's story, back on track.
2.)Possibly have The Doctor regenerate again. Get somebody older to play him.
3.)Bring back familiar faces and enemies, or at least strengthen the place hold of new ones, like the Silence which all of a sudden were just gone. It is like Moffat had them all look at each other and then look away.
3a.)On the familiar, bring back Donna Noble at least for a few episodes, we know now that she actually won't die when she remembers The Doctor.
4.)Bring in new companions that follow the traditional Doctor companion formula. Which is, they follow The Doctor into everything, rarely get separated, and if they do, The Doctor still gets at least 60% or more of the scenes in the show. Also, if they do question The Doctor they still follow his every word, because in the end they know he is the one with the experience, time machine, and control of their lives. The only real choice they have in the things that happen is if they say they want to go home and leave The Doctor.
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At least this next episode looks like it is possibly a more Doctor centric episode, meaning, at least he showed up in a majority of the next time trailer.
I did not enjoy this as much as some of the other episodes.
I have a couple of tiny problems with this:
Why did Rory not say which button? Or at least why did Amy not ask which button?
Also how did Amy somehow become alot smarter? As in being able to hack and reprogram the interface was it?
Also Doctor Who is starting to become like fable, as in the preview for the next one looks like it's going to be really good but then the episode, whilst not being bad, is not as good as what I thought it would be. Also thought i'd show you the picture of the fable part
Sonic Doctor said:
Well that turned out to be a big meeeeeeeeeeehhh. It also turned out to be another episode that makes me think the show is now called Amy and Rory Who. The "Who" standing for who could possibly care about them since they are not what the show is about.
I'm tired of these episodes where The Doctor is basically a place holder just so that they can call the show Doctor Who. I think he was even less in this episode than he was in the last one. The show is about The Doctor and his travels possibly with companions, not the some random people's travels with some guy who is an alien and calls himself The Doctor.
I bet that if you made a graph of the amount of screen time The Doctor has it would start to decline at around the time that Rory was introduced, I like the character but I wish The Doctor had more screen time.
Yeh, I enjoyed this episode the most out of this half of the season. Also, somehow, I found those robots to to be more not scary, but nasty than the dolls from the previous episode. As in, I'd probably be more frightened if I had them pursuing me than the dolls. I think it must be those syringe heads.
Liked the line about how the number 1 planet in the universe was of course referred to "The Planet of the Coffee Shops". They don't just have Starbucks there. They have Costa Coffee as well!
Good ending though, didn't quite expect the Doctor to do that. In that scene, given how vocal "old" Amy was regarding her hatred of the Doctor, I found myself wondering if there was another reason for the Doctor shutting her out of the TARDIS than supposedly not being able to have two of the same person inside at the same time. I thought she did look quite ticked off when she started to run for the door and it looked to me like the Doctor maybe though she was going to really have a go at him. I may be way off the mark there, but just my viewpoint on that part.
Something about the scene where Rory uses the magnifying glass and sees young Amy crying alone in that engine room. Felt quite sorry for her there. Poor Amy!
But to close on a lighter note - the garden with the freaky hedges. If I ever found myself in possession of a garden large enough, I'm going to deck it out with some freaky hedges too.
Edit: Going way off topic, but what's with the rather out of place Stargate Universe mention in this thread? I bet those "core" Stargate fans (though really they should be called just SG1 or Atlantis fans) won't be so happy when they don't get anymore Stargate at all because they thought they were too cool to watch SGU.
Sorry to go off topic there, but that kind of thing really gets my goat. While I'm, sad there will be no more Stargate [Universe], now that the commotion over its cancellation has mostly dies down, I don't need to hear the demented braying of the Atlantards any more.
I did not enjoy this as much as some of the other episodes.
I have a couple of tiny problems with this:
Why did Rory not say which button? Or at least why did Amy not ask which button?
Also how did Amy somehow become alot smarter? As in being able to hack and reprogram the interface was it?
Also Doctor Who is starting to become like fable, as in the preview for the next one looks like it's going to be really good but then the episode, whilst not being bad, is not as good as what I thought it would be. Also thought i'd show you the picture of the fable part
With the trend in which the show is going, I'm willing to bet that the scenes, in the trailer for the next episode, which show The Doctor will be the only scenes in which he is in.
If you haven't noticed, The Doctor is getting less and less face time. With how horrible the direction the show has been going, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually kill off The Doctor for good and make it Stupid Amy and Rory's Fun Times Through Time.
On the smarter Amy thing. They went with a horribly bad cliche:
When a person is stranded somewhere for long periods of time, all of a sudden hidden abilities that they didn't have and really should never have, pop up because if they didn't said character would have died and there would have been no point to the episode. Though I wouldn't have minded if they had killed Amy off, and it would have been great if Rory went with her as well.
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