Does anyone else think that civil wars are possible in the US and china

[Oldmanwillow]

They reasons for china civil war is very simple. China is currently experiencing the worst financial crisis with in the century and there are a lot of places over there shutting down and there are at least 50 million jobs-less people roaming the country. in the last year their has been over 120000 riots and protests. Mao is been on record asking the military to stay loyal. why would he feel a need to do that? while i dont have the specifics why the situation is deteriorating over there i would guess it has something to do with the united states and the federal reserve.

Now the United States isn't as likely as china i do notice some bad trends.

1) during the Bush year's he walked all over our constitution and a lot of people started to form non organized militia were form with the pure intent to fight the federal government. Theses groups are receiving military training from active or retired military personal. (the one group i know of receives marine training by a rotation of active duty marines plus.) Since it is legal to buy assault weapons here in the united states they are all armed with AR-15 or AK-47.

2)now that Obama is president there numbers have been growing rapidly due to rednecks that feel the constitution will be safe as long as a republican is in power. (even though bush was a great harm to the constitution. idiots). Obama isn't canceling the bush policies that created the tension over the constitution. He is also growing the government (which is to be expected he promised it in his campaigns) at a faster rate then bush did. He isn't adding restrictions on the federal reserve which is THE MAJOR SOURCE OF ALL DISCONTENT. The federal reserve is the most un-constitution thing we have in the united states and it the source for all our currency.

I see 1 of two action setting off this powered keg.

1) an assault weapons ban would start it because you have theses groups that are afriad of the government and trained to fight the government. What happens when the government you are afraid of bans the what you believe to be the best defence against them?

2) they are also afraid of the so called "new world order scheme" what happen is president Obama passes legislation to create one currency in the west "he is looking at the idea at the very least". They believe that with a world bank and a world currency we will be at a new world order and they will fight before that happens. Will most likely hit the federal reserve first.

I know i sound a little paranoid but if there are arguments against this i would like to see them.

 

[asinann]

How in the hell is the reserve/treasury department unconstitutional, and one word about taxes being unconstitutional invalidates your whole argument as the are NOT unconstitutional.

 

[Lisser]

I think that a civil war in China is impossible now because people are having a lot of their rights taken away daily, yet they are also taught nationalism every day in their schools. That is pretty much what holds countries together nowadays, not actual serious views on problems.

The United States is a little different, though, because here, people are given a little more freedom, and people who are a little free are naturally shown to probe their boundaries as much as possible to find a break. Besides, the North and South of the United States have always been at odds, and I don't think anything will change that. Again, I think that nationalism is the only thing holding us as one. Without it, The United States would be fifty completely different countries.

If they instituted a Ban, there would always be radicals to find a way around it, that is simply a fact.

Also, I don't think they should create a single currency for the West. It would probably be worth nothing, and the conversion would take years to get through. United States nationalism will likely get in the way of that idea as well.

This country needs to go through enormous changes over the years. I'm talking amendments to the Constitution enormous. It's the only way to get it back on track. And I think it's going to split into two separate countries in the next 100-200 years because the views are so different, but nobody has the balls to say "get the hell offa' my property" yet.

 

[Motti]

Since they have happened before in both countries, they could easily happen again. Not to mention that they're both superpowers held together by nationalism, duct tape and a few armies. I don't really know too much about civil war because I live in the only country that has never experienced it (just the odd massacre and rebellion really). Also, isn't Mao dead?

 

[Nurb]

Oh it happens all the time, when a conservative is in the whitehouse, you either agree with him or the republican 'super patriots' call you an America hating terrorist commie-nazi, and when it's a liberal, then they cry, buy guns, and talk about leaving the union.

There's no civil war coming. It'd screw up internet, tv, and other entertainment outlets that people depend on.

 

[Oldmanwillow]

How in the hell is the reserve/treasury department unconstitutional, and one word about taxes being unconstitutional invalidates your whole argument as the are NOT unconstitutional.

The federal reserve is unconstitutional because it isn't part of the federal government. It does have the term federal in it though, and i do believe it is to make people believe that it is part of the government.

Article I, Sec. 8 (the delegated powers) says only Congress can coin money. No clause exists that allows the Congress to farm out this authority. The Federal Reserve is not the Congress- ergo, unconstitutional.

To have control over the united states currency without having to be accountable to its people is way to much power for one group to have and it has lead to terrible situations.

 

[NeutralDrow]

A civil war happening in either country is extraordinarily unlikely. Frankly, if China didn't have a civil war during the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution, they have the patience of rocks (not to mention China's still growing more powerful, anyway).

It's not going to happen in the U.S. The majority of people aren't stupid enough to think Obama is the antichrist, and there aren't enough people with guns to make a difference against the National Guard, let alone the army (and there's almost no chance of popular support).

How in the hell is the reserve/treasury department unconstitutional, and one word about taxes being unconstitutional invalidates your whole argument as the are NOT unconstitutional.

The federal reserve is unconstitutional because it isn't part of the federal government. It does have the term federal in it though, and i do believe it is to make people believe that it is part of the government.

Article I, Sec. 8 (the delegated powers) says only Congress can coin money. No clause exists that allows the Congress to farm out this authority. The Federal Reserve is not the Congress- ergo, unconstitutional.

Article I, Sec. 8
"The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

The creation of the Federal Reserve is perfectly constitutional, since it was created by a law passed by Congress that helps them carry out the process of regulating money.

 

[Inverse Skies]

Nil on both accounts. The US is a democracy in which civil wars happen very rarely (and especially rarely in developed Western Nations) whilst China is a political regime, the last time a peaceful mast protest happened we had the Tianamen Sqaure Incident, which was a major tragedy for all involved.

 

[Hippopotamus]

How in the hell is the reserve/treasury department unconstitutional, and one word about taxes being unconstitutional invalidates your whole argument as the are NOT unconstitutional.

The federal reserve is unconstitutional because it isn't part of the federal government. It does have the term federal in it though, and i do believe it is to make people believe that it is part of the government.

Article I, Sec. 8 (the delegated powers) says only Congress can coin money. No clause exists that allows the Congress to farm out this authority. The Federal Reserve is not the Congress- ergo, unconstitutional.

To have control over the united states currency without having to be accountable to its people is way to much power for one group to have and it has lead to terrible situations.

Couldn't it be argued that Congress can relegate the whole coining of money thing and setting interest rates? They step in if things start to go a little crazy, but otherwise just shuffle people to the other guy, the fed? Does it conflict with another part of the constitution that explicitly says you can't?

 

[TheRockNRolla]

With the right nudge, civil war can happen anywhere, even if you don't think it can.

 

[mikemart]

i cant picture a civil war here

alot of people are lazy and wouldnt pull through

 

[Oldmanwillow]

A civil war happening in either country is extraordinarily unlikely. Frankly, if China didn't have a civil war during the Great Leap Forward or the Cultural Revolution, they have the patience of rocks (not to mention China's still growing more powerful, anyway).

It's not going to happen in the U.S. The majority of people aren't stupid enough to think Obama is the antichrist, and there aren't enough people with guns to make a difference against the National Guard, let alone the army (and there's almost no chance of popular support).

How in the hell is the reserve/treasury department unconstitutional, and one word about taxes being unconstitutional invalidates your whole argument as the are NOT unconstitutional.

The federal reserve is unconstitutional because it isn't part of the federal government. It does have the term federal in it though, and i do believe it is to make people believe that it is part of the government.

Article I, Sec. 8 (the delegated powers) says only Congress can coin money. No clause exists that allows the Congress to farm out this authority. The Federal Reserve is not the Congress- ergo, unconstitutional.

Article I, Sec. 8
"The Congress shall have Power - To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."

The creation of the Federal Reserve is perfectly constitutional, since it was created by a law passed by Congress that helps them carry out the process of regulating money.

I wont lie, i trust Ron Paul on this issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8. It gives way to much power to the bank. Anyway i and Ron Paul believe that is a a misinterpretation of the constitution because there is also debt needs be paid by gold and sliver.

 

[Dele]

Federal government was never designed to have the power to tax people and income tax was only supposed to be temporary... Funny how things turned out.

 

[asinann]

Federal government was never designed to have the power to tax people and income tax was only supposed to be temporary... Funny how things turned out.

Ya, that's why it's a constitutional amendment.