Does anyone else wish Overwatch wasn't another co-op shooter?

[Eddie the head]

that and unlike other games it has a set beginning and end...which actually makes it more appropriate for single player, and why I'm a little "meh" about it

also does anyone remember that game Fuse? wasn't that originally supposed to be called "overwatch" and people weren't happy? cause hearing "overwatch" all the time is tripping me out

Overstrike.

It is co-op shooter in the same sense as 2v2 StarCraft is co-op RTS...
It's a freaking 6v6 multiplayer shooter! The first truly CLASS BASED one since Team Fortress 2. So, no, I'm not disappointed that Overwatch is just another co-op shooter because it simply isn't.

I mean I guess it's not 6vs6 but are we not counting Plaintside 2? That is a heavily class focused game.

 

[IllumInaTIma]

It is co-op shooter in the same sense as 2v2 StarCraft is co-op RTS...
It's a freaking 6v6 multiplayer shooter! The first truly CLASS BASED one since Team Fortress 2. So, no, I'm not disappointed that Overwatch is just another co-op shooter because it simply isn't.

I mean I guess it's not 6vs6 but are we not counting Plaintside 2? That is a heavily class focused game.[/quote]

I had an impression that Planetside 2 was more of an MMO.

 

[Eddie the head]

I had an impression that Planetside 2 was more of an MMO.

Well Yeah but it's also a class based shooter. Maybe I'm just using the term "class based" wrong. But in Planetside you have multiple classes working together to take over territory. Medic revive and heal, engineers repair are rearm, heavy assaults are the killers , Light assaults are the flankers, infiltrator are the scouts, and I guess you could say MAX's are the siege beakers.

 

[Roxas1359]

also does anyone remember that game Fuse? wasn't that originally supposed to be called "overwatch" and people weren't happy? cause hearing "overwatch" all the time is tripping me out

Yep, Insomniac's old game before EA became the publisher of it. I'm honestly convinced that game was more of EA's doing for how it change than Insomniac's, seeing as Insomniacs manners of silliness and over the topness, as well as vibrant colors is in just about every one of the games. Well except the Resistance series. I say that Sunset Overdrive is was what Overwatch/Fuse was originally supposed to be, and by that I mean in terms of aesthetics and looks.

 

[IllumInaTIma]

I had an impression that Planetside 2 was more of an MMO.

Well Yeah but it's also a class based shooter. Maybe I'm just using the term "class based" wrong. But in Planetside you have multiple classes working together to take over territory. Medic revive and heal, engineers repair are rearm, heavy assaults are the killers , Light assaults are the flankers, infiltrator are the scouts, and I guess you could say MAX's are the siege beakers.

I guess I just wasn't really familiar with Planetside 2. But then again, Planetside 2 feels like it is on a different scale than TF or Overwatch. I'd say that Monday Night Combat is kinda close, but it leans more towards MOBA elements rather than FPS.

 

[cleric of the order]

...and no, not just because we have loads of those already (Team Fortress 2, Borderlands, Loadout, etc., etc.).

I watched the cinematic trailer first, and I liked what I saw--there's this cool-looking, colorful setting, a world with an apparently well-fleshed-out backstory to it, lots of unique characters, and it even has a bunch of impressive female protagonists (well, aside from Purplecleavage McBrokenspine, anyway). I'm watching that first trailer, and I'm all, "yep, I'm into this. If it turns out to be some sort of Mass Effect-ish action RPG thing, I'm sold."

Then I get to the gameplay videos, and...nope. It's another co-op shooter.

Personally, I'm the sort of gamer who, with few exceptions, needs a good immersive story to get into a game, and I have yet to be convinced that multiplayer-focused games are capable of pulling that off. So it was kind of disappointing to see that Blizzard came up with this world, and all this lore, and all these characters, and then, rather than doing anything with them, chose to make a "just run around and shoot people" game.

So yeah, I was wondering if anybody else felt like that.

funny you should say she has a broken spine.
From what I read she might actually have had her spine broke and reformed through unwanted invasive surgery.
I checked her design and it looks as if her arms and legs were replaced or surgically altered and it'd make sense you need to brace your gun if you are a living weapon and her plaid skin tone is the result of the slowed heart rate and reminds me of a old stand up bit.

Yeah didn't think of it that way.
And I like the class based shooter genre... well that being battlefront and tf2 the others I cannot stomach I was just hoping to play with these characters.
It's also good to mention that and this is the most important part, these chars would not exist as they were if not for the design of the game.
They were meant to be like the mercs from ft2 in that they have personality and a instantly recognizable

 

[WhiteTigerShiro]

TF2 is also free, so it's even harder to compete there.

Is there news of the business model of Overwatch? I thought that wasn't revealed yet.

It wasn't, he's just being presumptuous.

 

[Eddie the head]

also does anyone remember that game Fuse? wasn't that originally supposed to be called "overwatch" and people weren't happy? cause hearing "overwatch" all the time is tripping me out

Yep, Insomniac's old game before EA became the publisher of it. I'm honestly convinced that game was more of EA's doing for how it change than Insomniac's, seeing as Insomniacs manners of silliness and over the topness, as well as vibrant colors is in just about every one of the games. Well except the Resistance series. I say that Sunset Overdrive is was what Overwatch/Fuse was originally supposed to be, and by that I mean in terms of aesthetics and looks.

Again it was called "Overstrike." And I don't know about that games can, and do, change a lot in development. Ratchet and Clank started out as a girl hitting people with a stick. And I think it had more of an "anime" style.

 

[Roxas1359]

Again it was called "Overstrike." And I don't know about that games can, and do, change a lot in development. Ratchet and Clank started out as a girl hitting people with a stick. And I think it had more of an "anime" style.

While things can indeed change in development, even Ratchet and Clank's start in development sounded more colorful and wacky than how Fuse ended up turning out in the end. That's why I still think there was more publisher presence when EA took command of the project.

 

[Vigormortis]

Yeah...but it's Blizzard. It's kind of their style for a while now. Yeah, when I watched the trailer, I watched it with two other people and we all groaned at the "One shot. One kill." line. And the chick was even purple...

But that's what kinda bothers me about it.

Blizzard has some amazingly talented people under their roof; notably artists. That they still, to this very day, rip most of their ideas, settings, designs, and overall aesthetics from a myriad of pop-culture sources just irks me. They have the talent to churn out incredible, original creations.

Don't get me wrong. I love (most) of Blizzard's games. Hell, I'm an old-school Diablo lover and had Starcraft as one of my first introductions to RTS. I just feel that they, at times, waste the talent they have. That's all.

 

[DoPo]

Yeah...but it's Blizzard. It's kind of their style for a while now. Yeah, when I watched the trailer, I watched it with two other people and we all groaned at the "One shot. One kill." line. And the chick was even purple...

But that's what kinda bothers me about it.

Blizzard has some amazingly talented people under their roof; notably artists. That they still, to this very day, rip most of their ideas, settings, designs, and overall aesthetics from a myriad of pop-culture sources just irks me. They have the talent to churn out incredible, original creations.

Don't get me wrong. I love (most) of Blizzard's games. Hell, I'm an old-school Diablo lover and had Starcraft as one of my first introductions to RTS. I just feel that they, at times, waste the talent they have. That's all.

I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just saying I'm kind of used to it by now, I suppose.

 

[panador]

The Co-op/Team shooter discussion aside - yeah, I'm disappointed as hell. I actually wasn't expecting any new IP, I thought they had just canned Titan and there wasn't even so much as a rumor that they'd been working on yet another IP. So I figured the announcement would be Legacy of the Void and that'd be it. So my expectations were low as hell already.

But another shooter? Also, it's incredibly derivative. The trailer and the world etc. look like a Pixar movie, but less interesting, and it's pretty damn obvious they ripped off TF2 in both gameplay, classes, humor to some degree and, importantly, style and substance.

Watching the trailer I recoginzed an Engineer clone, a Heavy clone, a Demo guy clone, a Scout clone and I don't even play TF2 so I probably missed some.

Also some character designs they seem to have ripped of WildStar.

Blizzard have always taken ideas, inspirations from others and refined them, most notably Warcraf and Starcraft from Warhammer and 40k. They did it well and I enjoyed their games, hell, I played WoW for 7 years. But with Overwatch they took stuff from a ton of other games and movies and it's very obvious.

I don't enjoy shooters in general much anymore, especially not team, co-op etc. shooters and I don't like team based games like LoL, Dota etc. so there was no chance at all that I would enjoy Overwatch. I'm not critizing it in that regard, just because it's not my thing doesn't mean it's a bad game, it could be amazing for all I know.

But watching the trailer I couldn't help but think "so Activision wanted a TF2 of their own". So kinda disappointed they are making YET another shooter and such an uninspiring and unoriginal one.

Also, and that's purely subjective - I don't like some of the characters shown in the trailer.
I don't like Tracer's accent, Widowmaker (seriously?), I don't like her name and judging from the trailer she's mute? Like Silent from MGS5. Reaper ... wow, original... looks and seems like a 12 year old's idea of badass, all black and red and pew pew guns and get it, he's called Reaper, like Death, woah!
The gorilla, forgot his name, seems somewhat interesting, although the thing with the glasses... seriously? He's a giant gorrilla in battle armor and he wears very easily losable and fragile glasses in combat? But yeah, that's nitpicking.
A cliche asian warrior type, some dwarf that builds/repairs his turrets - Engineer - by hitting them with a giant hammer, cause that's how that works...

Overall, the game seems aimed at a younger audience. Blizzard game usually have a somewhat comic-y graphics style, it's not that. It's more design of the characters, also the humor displayed in the trailer.

In short - or well, long - not a fan.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

No.

I like shooters, this looks like great fun. Get a few mates online together and it looks to be a damn good time.

 

[DoPo]

Widowmaker (seriously?), I don't like her name and judging from the trailer she's mute?

No, she's not. Not sure if it makes it better, though - the gameplay trailer had her say "One shot. One kill." Yeah.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'm not disappointed. I'm still awaiting the day where every game is a FPS.

 

[shrekfan246]

My interest in competitive multiplayer could possibly not be any lower than it already is, so yeah I do kinda wish it was something else, because I love Blizzard games. But for everyone who wants another multiplayer FPS, hey, there you go.

 

[Vigormortis]

I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just saying I'm kind of used to it by now, I suppose.

I too got used to it years ago. I was just saying that, even so, I still don't like it.

On a side note:
After seeing the cinematic trailer again, I've come to realize that I really do not like the Tracer character. She's like a walking cliche of "cutesy tom-boy who can kick ass". Right down to the squeaky giggle, the messy hair, and the ever-present smirk.

 

[DoPo]

I don't necessarily disagree. I'm just saying I'm kind of used to it by now, I suppose.

I too got used to it years ago. I was just saying that, even so, I still don't like it.

On a side note:
After seeing the cinematic trailer again, I've come to realize that I really do not like the Tracer character. She's like a walking cliche of "cutesy tom-boy who can kick ass". Right down to the squeaky giggle, the messy hair, and the ever-present smirk.

Weird how that was my reaction as well.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Corny stuff and tropes aside, this actually looks like a lot of fun. The amount of mobility in the game is what is really selling it for me. I'll be curious to see how they manage to balance all of these different characters because some of them look blatantly overpowered compared to others.

Also, not a co-op shooter... I mean, unless you'd call any shooter with teams a co-op shooter. Is CoD a co-op shooter? I don't think so, but I guess this is semantics. Bottom line, I think it actually looks pretty fresh compared to a lot of other games like it.