Since I was brought up with MS I'd rather stay with MS, not really a fan of linux and it's millions of variations and the like, not exactly a Valve fanboy and dislike the Steambox and OS, so if all of gaming moves to only Steam OS and Linux then I'll happily give up gaming and take up some better hobby that won't force me to use something I don't want to use just to have a good time.
Does microsoft get some profit from games made for PC?
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That's all very well, but we're talking about gaming, not the reason you need extra software support and why you're clinging to Windows - which in itself is a problem. We shouldn't be stuck with Windows if there is a better option. Some of the stuff you mentioned, such as a word processor - as far as I know - are available on a Linux based system. However, I will say this, the only reason I keep a dual boot (for now) is because I know some of the games I enjoy will run. Still, I love Steam and Linux and am waiting for when it provides far more support for gaming. Linux does require more fiddling, but it's not impossible to work with if you're willing to run it.Thoralata said:I'm not scared of my computer. I simply prefer it when my computer actually runs. And I use my computer for things other than gaming.Ultratwinkie said:Okay, I see where this is going.Thoralata said:That all sounds like some Grade A CertifiedUltratwinkie said:
I'd rather an operating system with actual support in case something fucks up, rather than a forum full of techno-snobs to help me with any computer trouble. Oh hi Valve. You have Linux AND Steam? Great! Two things I don't want anything to do with! Fuck off.
"linux is all new and scare-wy."
Go get a mac. Seriously. If you are that scared of your own computer not having support, get a mac and be done with it.
Can I run all my games, my production software, my video rendering software, the word processors I work with, the animation tools I work with, the coding software I work with, After Effects, and everything else I use on my computer in a Linux Operating System?
The answer to that is a big fat fucking NO.
It's not that "Linux is new and scary" it's that "Linux is new and incompetent"
I prefer Microsoft, because it means someone's culpable if something doesn't work. If something breaks or the system corrupts, there's someone I can call up and demand to know "What the fuck is this?!" Right now, everything works on Windows. Call me when Linux is on their level. And being "Free of a corporation" isn't an end all praise.
Also, while the pros you speak of are largely about support, there is something to be said about the way Microsoft has done business. It tends to impose itself on users (new PC sales come with a copy of Windows) and while you might be able to hold someone accountable for a problem or call a Microsoft help desk - which is nice - supporting a company and its bad business model isn't healthy in the long run. Windows may work for you in your present situation, but is it working for gamers? It doesn't seem like that. I hated GFWL. I love Steam. There is a reason Valve is moving away from Windows and if they can convince game developers to move with them (and their millions of users) Windows would actually, you know, have to provide a better product. It's far too easy for companies to provide mediocre or poor service if they're running a monopoly, and I think Valve must be aware that there's a gap in the market to exploit. It's sad that the gap is service, a stable, inexpensive OS and consumer freedom, but companies need to find ways to reinvent themselves to stay alive. For example, it might not be long before Microsoft requires a subscription service for using the OS. The reason they wouldn't do this now is because it isn't a standard for the OS - yet. It seems like a subscription service for online gaming, though, is creeping into Sony and Microsoft's model which would be like Valve charging to use Steam.
While you're able to make use of animation tools and video editing software, the average gamer is not necessarily doing so. I use my PC for gaming and work, but if I didn't HAVE to have Windows to run games, I'd gladly ditch it for Ubuntu or SteamOS (holding thumbs this will work out). There's a good chance you won't be left in the lurch without video editing software either but if you're hanging onto Windows for those reasons, you're stuck like many of us are - we seem to have no other choice, but this is a myth. If you're willing to throw money at Microsoft for providing support for your software and even gaming, that's great. Your choice. If you don't like Steam or Linux, that's fine. But they're at least trying to offer people a choice and I think it's worth looking into.
Oh and FYI I believe the bulk of servers worldwide run off Linux because of their stability. Servers are key for anything from the internet, to networks and you having a spot to store your animation online for people to look at.
Windows is a different thing than Games for Windows Live (GFWL)Thoralata said:I'm not scared of my computer. I simply prefer it when my computer actually runs. And I use my computer for things other than gaming.Ultratwinkie said:Okay, I see where this is going.Thoralata said:That all sounds like some Grade A CertifiedUltratwinkie said:
I'd rather an operating system with actual support in case something fucks up, rather than a forum full of techno-snobs to help me with any computer trouble. Oh hi Valve. You have Linux AND Steam? Great! Two things I don't want anything to do with! Fuck off.
"linux is all new and scare-wy."
Go get a mac. Seriously. If you are that scared of your own computer not having support, get a mac and be done with it.
Can I run all my games, my production software, my video rendering software, the word processors I work with, the animation tools I work with, the coding software I work with, After Effects, and everything else I use on my computer in a Linux Operating System?
The answer to that is a big fat fucking NO.
It's not that "Linux is new and scary" it's that "Linux is new and incompetent"
I prefer Microsoft, because it means someone's culpable if something doesn't work. If something breaks or the system corrupts, there's someone I can call up and demand to know "What the fuck is this?!" Right now, everything works on Windows. Call me when Linux is on their level. And being "Free of a corporation" isn't an end all praise.
In case you don't know,GFWL is a piece of software that was buggy from the very first moment and randomly crashed,and never got fixed. And there are games that were made for it,to use it as a DRM meaning they can't be played without it.
And Microsoft stops supporting it,means the games you bought that used it are turned to non-functional and you can't play them any more.
Except if someone hacks it and release the mod that is.
It's a lot more complicated really.
And it really depends.
If a company uses certain software to make their game. Microsoft gets a payment.
Certain drivers, plugins, all that kinda stuff.
I believe it's the same on the consoles too.
However, a company doesn't have to purchase the rights to publish on a system, as one might with a console.
And it really depends.
If a company uses certain software to make their game. Microsoft gets a payment.
Certain drivers, plugins, all that kinda stuff.
I believe it's the same on the consoles too.
However, a company doesn't have to purchase the rights to publish on a system, as one might with a console.
If I did as what you state you are going to do I would have dropped gaming around the time Windows 98 came out.Shadow-Phoenix said:
Damm, I miss DOS.
Just because Windows 8 has its store front doesn't mean you have to use it. I have Steam and Origin installed and they operate just fine.
I could understand the complaints if Microsoft were actually stopping people from installing Steam and Origin but they aren't.
I could understand the complaints if Microsoft were actually stopping people from installing Steam and Origin but they aren't.
Between Steam supporting Linux and OpenGL and AMDs mantel Microsoft might well find themselves superfluous to PC gaming in a couple of years. The only reason Windows is needed for PC gaming is DirectX and it looks like Valve and AMD are working on getting around that.Thoralata said:
This is a good point Zipa. Thoralata calling it the ONLY operating system PC gaming is viable on ignores the fact that Linux based operating systems have been doing it already, albeit without the massive publicity. Assuming it is the only one that is viable is incorrect. There is a reason Valve provided Linux versions of their games. Left 4 Dead 2, which is among their most successful titles, is available on Linux. Their move towards an OS that doesn't require Windows means they have a different outlook for the future. Steam has like 60 million users. That's a chunk of the market they will be encouraging to use their Linux based OS for gaming. I suspect many people will ditch Windows once they realise Linux isn't as scary as they think it is.Zipa said:
And your sarcasm aside, if you could have a stable OS, with game and software support, a large community of interested support providers and people generally interested in adapting or updating the OS for the better, and it was free, wouldn't you take it? Seriously, I don't see why people HAVE to use Windows. The alternative isn't scary at all, and I am new to Linux. I have used Windows for years and while it isn't terrible, Microsoft has a lot to do if it wants to get the PC gaming thing right.
That and there are now around 340 or so games that now work on Steam compared to around 60 last February. The game changer in PC gaming is who it has been for the last 10 years or so - Gabe Newell and Valve. Valve are big enough and have enough industry clout that when they do something like promote Linux companies like Nvidia and AMD listen and help them when previously they haven't supported Linux in the case of Nvidia.MeTalHeD said: