does natural talent exsist?

[the lapalminator]

ive been thinking alot about this and here goes

im in this situation in where my mom says that i have natural talent in guitar, a hobby i hate (been playing for 3 years) that shes been pushing onto me. im thinking its not natural talent with musical timing. its from years of gaming and playing rock band

how ever her unbreakable influence(also which i fucking hate) over me has me convninced that natural talent exsists (serioulsy she can convince me of anything and i hate it with all my being)

so do you think natural talent exsists?

 

[drbarno]

I think it does, but it only determines how good you are with something when you have no previous practice with the thing

 

[tkioz]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

 

[the lapalminator]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

i know but i want to be good at things i have no natural talent in. i want to pick any damm thing i want up and be good at it through pure determination. i dont want fate to determine what i am skilled at. i want to be pro good at comedy but it doesnt work for me but with practaice and mentoring i would be good at it.

 

[Redingold]

Of course natural talent exists. Intelligence, and lots of physical attributes have strong genetic components, which means that some people will naturally be better than others at things in which those attributes are important.

Slightly less certain about natural talent when it comes to specific tasks, like playing the guitar and whatnot.

 

[tkioz]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

i know but i want to be good at things i have no natural talent in. i want to pick any damm thing i want up and be good at it through pure determination. i dont want fate to determine what i am skilled at. i want to be pro good at comedy but it doesnt work for me but with practaice and mentoring i would be good at it.

So stop whining and do it. I have no natural talent for painting, but I enjoy doing it, and I'm getting pretty good at it. So yeah, don't complain, do.

 

[the lapalminator]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

i know but i want to be good at things i have no natural talent in. i want to pick any damm thing i want up and be good at it through pure determination. i dont want fate to determine what i am skilled at. i want to be pro good at comedy but it doesnt work for me but with practaice and mentoring i would be good at it.

So stop whining and do it. I have no natural talent for painting, but I enjoy doing it, and I'm getting pretty good at it. So yeah, don't complain, do.

thanks. good to know that hard work can basically tell natural talent to go fuck itself hard.

 

[the lapalminator]

so yeah anyone else replaced natural talent with something they hate with hard work towards something they liked?

 

[Vault101]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

i know but i want to be good at things i have no natural talent in. i want to pick any damm thing i want up and be good at it through pure determination. i dont want fate to determine what i am skilled at. i want to be pro good at comedy but it doesnt work for me but with practaice and mentoring i would be good at it.

It seems you dont like the Idea of what you can and cant do being pre determined at birth, this is completley understandable

How ever "Natural talent" only really means being able to pick up the basics really easyly, 95% of the time you still have to work at it to some degree (of coarse there are those freaky geniuses out there, but most of us arnt geniouses)

so yeah you just got to stick and somthing and practice

Ive been told I have a natural talent for art, but trust me Im NO WHERE NEAR a really good level because I still have to work at it (to be fair as soon as highschool came around I pretty much stoped drawing and I never pushed myself before that so Im making good progress)

 

[Raven's Nest]

I used to think it did but I heard some pretty convincing arguments about how it doesn't recently but I can't really explain it very well... It had a lot to do with any and all skills we have are learned and practised and it's just the ability to use and apply those skills which makes someone appear better than others.

I also read an article by the BBC which basically proved that effort beats natural talent every time and that certain words of encouragement can make a huge difference to results... 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13128701

It talks about how encouraging natural talent actually has a detrimental effect on results... It was quite interesting...

 

[Ranorak]

I think a better term would be biological talent.
The reason why some people are better with guitars then I am, and lots are, is because they have slightly longer finger muscles, better hand eye co-ordination etc.

You don't simply have "guitar Talent" you have biological advantages that make you better at stuff.
If you don't like to play guitar, though. Do something else.

 

[Jonluw]

I think something along the lines of talent exists. Certain people are wired to handle some things better than others. It's the only way I can explain people like me getting top marks in class without doing any real work, while others work their asses off to only understand the basic premise of what it is we're learning.

I swear, I think there are people in my chemistry class who - by the end of the first semester or something - still didn't know what a mol was.

 

[irani_che]

you have been playing for three years, there is your talent

 

[MiracleOfSound]

It absolutely exists, 100%.

Some people just excel in ways that others have to work at for years to even get close to.

Michael Jackson and pop music, Mozart with music (if Amadeus is to be believed, anyway), Pele and Ronaldo with football, Bill Hicks at being funny, even XCalizors or pro gamers at gaming.

Many of us can work for years and probably never get to the level that just comes naturally to them.

 

[fix-the-spade]

so do you think natural talent exsists?

No, it's a fallacy made up by lazy people to handwave why others achieve when they don't.

'Talent' is nothing more than a combination of interest and hard work. It doesn't matter how smart someone is, if they aren't truly interested in something they'll struggle once it get's difficult. The 'talented' ones are usually the ones who just butt up against the difficult problems until they find a solution.

Or put it another way, I'm a painter, supposedly a talented one. Is that because I have some supernatural God gven gift? Or because I've practiced everyday for over twenty years? There's your talent.

 

[teisjm]

Yes. Of course, some people are simply better at things then others. I'm okay at maths, but I really have to work at it, yet I know people it just comes easy to. I'm almost tone deft, can't play anything, yet my brother can pick up an instrument and being playing inside a few weeks.

However I've been told I'm very skilled at trouble shooting, I know how to boil a complex problem down by process of elimination, yet it marvels me when other people can't work that out, I can get use to almost any device very quickly very trial and error, yet watch in awe as someone tries for hours to work a remote control.

So yeah, natural talent is a real thing. Still doesn't mean you have to use it. Tell your mum to piss off and leave you alone.

i know but i want to be good at things i have no natural talent in. i want to pick any damm thing i want up and be good at it through pure determination. i dont want fate to determine what i am skilled at. i want to be pro good at comedy but it doesnt work for me but with practaice and mentoring i would be good at it.

So stop whining and do it. I have no natural talent for painting, but I enjoy doing it, and I'm getting pretty good at it. So yeah, don't complain, do.

This.
You need practice, determination, and some teaching doesn't hurt either, you can do it from there, even without talent.
Talent is just like a speed boost, it'll make it easier/faster to learn whatever suff you have talent for, and it'll help you develop faster, but that doesn't mean it can't be done without talent.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

Yes, of course. In extreme cases, it leads to things like savants or prodigies.

 

[PurplePlatypus]

We are all born with the natural talent, or rather natural capacity to learn. Some of us have a better time learning certain things than others. What it doesn?t mean is we fall out of the womb being able to do this stuff.


Sometimes the words 'natural talent' undermine the amount of work it can take even for those who have an easier time at it. Although not everyone means to imply you can do that without having to work at it, they are just acknowledging you were able to get good at it. And that's not something everyone will be able to do. Some might say; oh given enough time and practice anyone can do it, but they can't. Not everyone has the will, patients or receives enough enjoyment from it to do it for long enough that they may get good at it.

 

[SinisterGehe]

"Work beats talent, until talent starts to work."

There is natural talents on some fields, physical, visual, audio, logical, scientific... Etc... What can be considered as smarts, an ability to understand something.
But, it has been proven, that there is nothing that can't be taught. I have seen over 50 years old granpas learn to play violin. I have seen 30 years old carpenter become professional opera singer, with no earlier experience. And vice versa. I know a person who speaks fluently 12 languages, but who can't draw anything more than a stick figure. I know a person who can draw anything from any perspective, but he has only learned hes mother tongue, no other language.

There has been scans done from brains of people with different skills and we have been able to pin-point the part of the brain that has changed. Same scans been done to people who been taught to have these skills.

What can come trough natural talent, can come from practice.

 

[Baradiel]

I think natural talent exists, in some way. Yes, practice in anything is crucial but, for example, to be a good musician you have to be able to know when something is out of tune, or out of key, or the wrong tempo. These things can't be taught, and I remember my piano teacher complaining to me about all the students he had who had no musical talent whatsoever, and no matter how hard they tried they couldn't tell what was the right note.