does natural talent exsist?

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Herbivore

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Yes natural talent does exist.

All peoples brains are "wired" differently, thats why we all are, well, different. Thats why some people are better suited to perform certain tasks while being inferior at otheres compared to someone else.

However, you can come a long way with practice, though you might have to practice more than someone who has a natural talent for whatever it might be.

I play the piano, and when I started it was clear I wasn't particularly talented, I had a decent sense of rythm, allright, but I never really had the right "feel" if you know what I mean, and the dexterity of my fingers was lacking. Ten years later however, I have come quite far. I'm still not on the level of the real "naturals", who have learned faster than I do, and it still doesn't sound as good as when they do it. But I still am pleased because I've gotten a heck of a lot better than I thought I would.

So I think you can make up for a lot by practicing, although you may not reach the level of someone who was born better equipped to perform a certain task.
Your brain does adapt if you practice for long enough, as new connections are built up inside it. My teacher told me that brain scannings had shown older students, who had been practicing longer, to use more parts of their brain than newer students did. Because these are built up over time.

This is how I think it is, it might not be entirely true, since I don't know much about how the human brain works.
 

Alon Shechter

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It's hardly talent if we're born with it. Talent is a skill earned through work. You didn't work to develop the skill, it was just there, with you all along.
Maybe I should read my dictionary again, but that's my take on the matter.
 

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Herbivore said:
Yes natural talent does exist.

All peoples brains are "wired" differently, thats why we all are, well, different. Thats why some people are better suited to perform certain tasks while being inferior at otheres compared to someone else.
Which when you think about it makes sense from an evolutionary stand point as well. The "tribe" needs the dude with good spacial awareness for his hunting, the woman that naturally pick the slight differences in colour of plants (can make a huge difference), and a whole scope of other things.

Over time we've developed arts and trades that play to those strengths, the woman in a stone age village that was the best berry picker today makes a great artist, the man who was the best hunter because he could judge distances and angles perfectly might be an awesome architect, etc.

But as you said, anyone can learn anything, if they apply themselves.
 

WinterOrbit

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Natural talent exists, but it hardly ever matters in the long run. Like most of the commenters have been posting, practice is the thing. Malcolm Gladwell, the favorite of pop psychology at the moment, said people need to practice about 10,000 hours [http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article4969415.ece] in order to master a skill.
 

MarkusWolfe

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A) Natural talent exists.
B) In the big leagues, natural talent is insignificant compared to the result of hours of training.
 

sseh2661

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natural talen does exist but i think to get anywhere in the world you need to have hard work
 

rockoffanddie

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I would say that natural talent does exist in so far as some people will find certain skills easier to pick up than other people would, but almost everyone can learn anything assuming that they are willing to put in the time to learn
 

Daverson

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No. Well, sort of, but no.

You can be born with certain attributes that might make you better at certain activities, but you can't be born with the skills necessary to use them in this situation. While some people can develop these skills easier than others, it's so not much a case of "being naturally talented at baseball" as it is "being better suited physiologically to baseball, and being able to pick up on the mechanics of baseball quicker".

Of course, on the other side of the spectrum there are people who aren't born with attributes that would make them good at these activities. So, it's not so much a case of natural talent, rather, a case of a lack of natural inability =p
 

BlackStar42

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I think that whether you enjoy doing something or not is more important than talent. You could be the next Hendrix, but if you hate the guitar, you're never going to develop it.
 

tomtom94

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No, but a proficiency in the necessary skills to do such things as play the guitar excellently (dexterity, finger control, etc) does exist, logically.

You could have all those skills and use it for something totally different from playing the guitar, so it's not necessarily a natural talent specifically for that.
 

Astoria

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It does but just because you have natural talent in something doesn't mean you don't have to practice at it, it just means it comes easier to you than to others.
 

n03s

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Natural talent exists, but practice and hard work are superior tools.
So you play the guitar mate only if you like it. Dont let people tell you what to do..
Even if its your mother.
Noone will copensate your time put into that..
 

IndianaJonny

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the lapalminator said:
ive been thinking alot about this and here goes

im in this situation in where my mom says that i have natural talent in guitar, a hobby i hate (been playing for 3 years) that shes been pushing onto me. im thinking its not natural talent with musical timing. its from years of gaming and playing rock band

how ever her unbreakable influence(also which i fucking hate) over me has me convninced that natural talent exsists (serioulsy she can convince me of anything and i hate it with all my being)

so do you think natural talent exsists?
Yes, it's called 'genius'.

But it comes to nothing if not tutored. Napoleon's successes would have been far fewer in number if his gift for commanding artillery had not been harnessed and refined by his time at the Ecole Militaire.

Interesting side note: this actually has applications in gaming; specifically chess-program computers. While the old models such as IBM's Deep Blue were essentially huge database-calculators number-crunching their way to success they proved to be able to outwit through 'illogical' actions such as 'bad' trade-offs. Hence why the current debate in the the field is whether to carry on down this number-crunching route or attempt to program the computers with an innate 'genuis' i.e. give them the ability understand and comprehend the situation in front of them as if they had a 'flair' for the subject and make decisions based on that.
 

Harveypot

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Of course it does. Otherwise everyone would be a good singer with a lot of practice. (The X Factor would be very boring as well.)
 

CrashBang

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The late, great Buddy Rich (greatest drummer ever) was said to never practice, only ever played live or in the studio. If true, that is proof of natural talent
Another example is singing, some are born with the cords to belt out beautiful music from an early age
 

skitzo van

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Yeah it does, but it will never outpass hard work and dedication. For instance, my friend and I both decided to pick up the guitar, he was miles better than me and I felt I couldn't surpass him. Then I found guitar-related music (not that crappy 80s shred stuff) and I LOVED it. I wanted to play it so much and make my own, so I played my ass off. I practiced (and still do) for four to ten hours a day, and then I would go the the San Diego State college and checked out multiple college level music theory books. He would practice once in a blue moon. I'm not saying I'm some sort of god and he's pathetic, but he admits I'm one of the best guitarists he's heard.
 

Unknower

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You have natural talent at something and that makes it easier to begin training to be better at that something. Imagine a MMORPG where everyone else starts at Level 1 while you start at Level 5. You have it a bit easier but others can still catch you if they play more.

EDIT: Child prodigies are, of course, exception to that. They start at level 50.

Raven said:
I used to think it did but I heard some pretty convincing arguments about how it doesn't recently but I can't really explain it very well... It had a lot to do with any and all skills we have are learned and practised and it's just the ability to use and apply those skills which makes someone appear better than others.

I also read an article by the BBC which basically proved that effort beats natural talent every time and that certain words of encouragement can make a huge difference to results...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13128701

It talks about how encouraging natural talent actually has a detrimental effect on results... It was quite interesting...
That's the reason you don't hear about many of the child prodigies when they reach adulthood. They're led to believe they are already good at things and stop training because, hey, they have a natural talent, they don't need to and if they're bad at something, they won't train to better at it because they'll never be good at it because they aren't already good at it.

Others train and catch up.

MiracleOfSound said:
It absolutely exists, 100%.

Some people just excel in ways that others have to work at for years to even get close to.

Michael Jackson and pop music, Mozart with music (if Amadeus is to be believed, anyway), Pele and Ronaldo with football, Bill Hicks at being funny, even XCalizors or pro gamers at gaming.

Many of us can work for years and probably never get to the level that just comes naturally to them.
Michael Jackson, Pele and Ronaldo aren't good examples. Pele and Ronaldo played football since they were kids and Jackson's father made him practice a lot. Also, he whipped him if he didn't play well enough.
 

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Harveypot said:
Of course it does. Otherwise everyone would be a good singer with a lot of practice. (The X Factor would be very boring as well.)
The X-factor isn't boring??
 

Raven's Nest

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CrashBang said:
The late, great Buddy Rich (greatest drummer ever) was said to never practice, only ever played live or in the studio. If true, that is proof of natural talent
Another example is singing, some are born with the cords to belt out beautiful music from an early age
He obviously practised a lot as a kid or he would never have become such a good drummer. As a musician, when you play regularly, both live and in the studio, you don't really need to practise your individual skills once you reach a certain level of skill. But it's unlikely he progressed much further as a drummer if he got to that stage. if it's true, it just means he might have been even better had he applied himself further. In either case he certainly played more than often enough to become shit-hot...