Does the escapist have an inclusiveness mission statement?

[Daystar Clarion]

Hey dude, if that's what you want, then fine, but don't try to pass it of as "inclusive".

Don't try to pull that "its wrong to be intolerant of bigots" bullshit. Anybody who isn't either being facetious or has an ounce of sympathy can point out whats wrong with it. Whats next, its wrong for not bringing on a Klan member to tell us all about how blacks and jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world?

Being intolerant of bigots isn't the same as simply being intolerant.

And who decides what makes a bigot? You? Sorry, but I've learned to distrust the judgement of so called "progressives". Seems a convenient silencing tactic to label someone a bigot when they say something you don't agree with.

If you think treating transsexuals as people is progressive, I shudder to think what would be normal in your books.

 

[Ambient_Malice]

Hey dude, if that's what you want, then fine, but don't try to pass it of as "inclusive".

Don't try to pull that "its wrong to be intolerant of bigots" bullshit. Anybody who isn't either being facetious or has an ounce of sympathy can point out whats wrong with it. Whats next, its wrong for not bringing on a Klan member to tell us all about how blacks and jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world?

One man's bigotry is another man's cold, hard facts. A very common, yet unspoken sentiment, is that "I can't possibly be a bigot because my opinions are right."

Who gets "right of way" on the internet?

Let's say Escapist hired four new freelancers. A pro-choice activist, an anti-abortion activist, an abortion survivor, and also someone born from rape. Some of these people are deeply offended by the beliefs of the other(s).

But I would argue that people have a responsibility to deal with the fact they must as a necessity get along with people whose views are deeply offensive to them.

 

[ZiggyE]

Hey dude, if that's what you want, then fine, but don't try to pass it of as "inclusive".

Don't try to pull that "its wrong to be intolerant of bigots" bullshit. Anybody who isn't either being facetious or has an ounce of sympathy can point out whats wrong with it. Whats next, its wrong for not bringing on a Klan member to tell us all about how blacks and jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world?

Being intolerant of bigots isn't the same as simply being intolerant.

And who decides what makes a bigot? You? Sorry, but I've learned to distrust the judgement of so called "progressives". Seems a convenient silencing tactic to label someone a bigot when they say something you don't agree with.

If you think treating transsexuals as people is progressive, I shudder to think what would be normal in your books.

I think you're missing the point. I'm not transphobic and I don't appreciate that assumption. The point I'm making is "inclusiveness" is not a desirable thing and everyone here has people they would rather exclude, justly or not. The hypocrisy of tolerance is that, to be completely tolerant, one must tolerate people who are themselves intolerant. As far as I'm concerned, "Don't be a dick" is the only statement on "inclusivity" that The Escapist needs.

 

[Colour Scientist]

Hey dude, if that's what you want, then fine, but don't try to pass it of as "inclusive".

Don't try to pull that "its wrong to be intolerant of bigots" bullshit. Anybody who isn't either being facetious or has an ounce of sympathy can point out whats wrong with it. Whats next, its wrong for not bringing on a Klan member to tell us all about how blacks and jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world?

Being intolerant of bigots isn't the same as simply being intolerant.

And who decides what makes a bigot? You? Sorry, but I've learned to distrust the judgement of so called "progressives". Seems a convenient silencing tactic to label someone a bigot when they say something you don't agree with.

Are you willing to overlook and excuse anything just because the guy agrees with you?

The guy has said some pretty shitty things regarding LGBT people. You can still want him to contribute to the site or defend his ideas that you agree with, without having to defend every shitty thing that comes out of his mouth.

You're not going to lose any imaginary ground by admitting that the guy has some pretty bigoted opinions.

Maybe you agree with him, I don't know, but let's call a spade a spade here.

 

[ZiggyE]

Hey dude, if that's what you want, then fine, but don't try to pass it of as "inclusive".

Don't try to pull that "its wrong to be intolerant of bigots" bullshit. Anybody who isn't either being facetious or has an ounce of sympathy can point out whats wrong with it. Whats next, its wrong for not bringing on a Klan member to tell us all about how blacks and jews are responsible for everything wrong in the world?

Being intolerant of bigots isn't the same as simply being intolerant.

And who decides what makes a bigot? You? Sorry, but I've learned to distrust the judgement of so called "progressives". Seems a convenient silencing tactic to label someone a bigot when they say something you don't agree with.

Are you willing to overlook and excuse anything just because the guy agrees with you?

The guy has said some pretty shitty things regarding LGBT people. You can still want him to contribute to the site or defend his ideas that you agree with, without having to defend every shitty thing that comes out of his mouth.

You're not going to lose any imaginary ground by admitting that the guy has some pretty bigoted opinions.

Maybe you agree with him, I don't know, but let's call a spade a spade here.

Oh, this is supposed to be a subtle "We hate Brandon" thread? I must have missed the memo. Anyway, if you're really that interested in my opinion:

Spoiler

Since this is apparently the only place this can be talked about without the thread being automatically closed...

I want to gage everyone's thoughts on the hiring of Brandon Morse. Do you think his comments are going to hurt this site? And is this any real improvement over Bob?

Personally, I don't see how hiring someone who is known to make bigoted comments and rants on twitter is going to help the site any, unless they're planning on branching out into an entirely new demographic and audience...

I haven't looked too much into what he's said, but it doesn't seem any worse than what MovieBob was saying in the other direction.

I don't like it at all. I mean I want to respect the guy's right to an opinion, but sheesh. But I'm still willing to wait to see what content he makes.

 

[Ambient_Malice]

No, what makes somebody a bigot is when they hold unfounded prejudices against a person because they're a little different than they are.

The key is you think your prejudice against people who have a different view on the nature of sex and gender is not unfounded. Nobody likes to think they're a bigot.

And that's what it is. A fundamental ideological disagreement about the nature of gender. Two sides that refuse to see eye to eye. Two sides trying on-and-off to force their view onto society as a whole.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

And who decides what makes a bigot?

Bigot

bigotry
Line breaks: big|ot¦ry
Pronunciation: /ˈbɪɡətri /
Definition of bigotry in English:
NOUN

[MASS NOUN]
Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself:
the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry

Dictionary is your friend. I try not to use 'bigotry' ... and stick to the much more clearcut word of 'prejudice'.

As Brandon Morse is prejudicial. Labouring under broken philosophies and broken sciences, disproven by mainstream scientific consensus.

Prejudice

(Oxford Dictionary)

prejudice
Line breaks: preju|dice
Pronunciation: /ˈprɛdʒʊdɪs /
Definition of prejudice in English:
NOUN

[MASS NOUN]
1Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience:
English prejudice against foreigners
[COUNT NOUN]: deep-rooted class prejudices
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
1.1Dislike, hostility, or unjust behaviour deriving from preconceived and unfounded opinions:
accusations of racial prejudice
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
2chiefly Law Harm or injury that results or may result from some action or judgement:
prejudice resulting from delay in the institution of the proceedings

You? Sorry, but I've learned to distrust the judgement of so called "progressives".

I'm more than qualified to point out bigotry and prejudice. Especially in transgender issues. Because I studied it, and I live it.

It's surprising how quick you are to disregard the lives of people who know what they're talking about, and yet try to pointlessly tell them they're wrong without even bothering to listen.

Seems a convenient silencing tactic to label someone a bigot when they say something you don't agree with.

Broken defence ... classic passive-aggressive non-argument, ironically more valid to the user than the person so accused. One who tries to silence people with valid concerns based off knowledge and life experience..

 

[ZiggyE]

And who decides what makes a bigot?

Bigot

bigotry
Line breaks: big|ot¦ry
Pronunciation: /ˈbɪɡətri /
Definition of bigotry in English:
NOUN

[MASS NOUN]
Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself:
the difficulties of combating prejudice and bigotry

Dictionary is your friend. I try not to use 'bigotry' ... and stick to the much more clearcut word of 'prejudice'.

As Brandon Morse is prejudicial. Labouring under broken philosophies and broken sciences, disproven by mainstream scientific consensus.

So if the definition of bigotry is "Intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself", are you not by that definition being bigoted towards Brandon?

 

[ZiggyE]

No, what makes somebody a bigot is when they hold unfounded prejudices against a person because they're a little different than they are.

The key is you think your prejudice against people who have a different view on the nature of sex and gender is not unfounded.

And they're wrong.

Nobody likes to think they're a bigot.

Too bad, they are regardless of what they like to think.

So, just for clarification, I was right when I said

And who decides what makes a bigot? You?

 

[sky14kemea]

Jesus Christ on a motorbike.

Can we stop throwing around the word "bigot" like it's the new black. Congratulations though, you've successfully derailed another thread.