Does your Senator love (shielding government contractors from prosecution for abetting) rape?

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Rokar333

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theshadavid said:
There is no political problem that can be addressed in two paragraphs. Not even segregation, if the southerners were able to (and eventually fail) attempt to fillibuster the equal rights movement and keep it up for 60 some odd days, then surely there is always two sides to every case (btw, not condoning segregation, just an example).
I love how not only are you ignoring his links, but you're trying to hide your edit to make it look like he ignored one of your arguments.
 

Seldon2639

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I'm disappointed in my senators. I'm from Colorado, and we're supposed to be all about free markets and free people. It's a contract, and the government has no right to stipulate what can be in a contract.

If the contract is coercive, there's a case. If the person couldn't have made an informed decision, there's a case. If the person was misled or lied to, there's a case. If the woman signed a contract, she is bound by the rules therein. That's all there is to it. Rape is bad, I agree, but the solution cannot be for the government to wantonly interfere with the formation of legitimate and valid contracts.
 

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With all the people joking about rape you'd think it was an actually funny thing. I feel like a bastard so I'll present you this scenario : people afraid to be a rape victim automatically get $10,000 compensation for protection. A vote against this is like saying 'go ahead and get raped'.

you know what, that was not so analogous, don't quote me on this.
 

Alex_P

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shotgunbob said:
why doesnt it suprise me that everyone voted with their parties

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They didn't. Quite a few Republicans (every Republican woman in the Senate, for example) voted "Yea".

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bodyklok

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Alex_P said:
Pennsylvania:Casey (D-PA), YeaSpecter (D-PA), Not Voting
West Virginia:Byrd (D-WV), Not VotingRockefeller (D-WV), Yea


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Just out of interest, why were the these Senators listed as not voting?
 

Alex_P

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Seldon2639 said:
I'm disappointed in my senators. I'm from Colorado, and we're supposed to be all about free markets and free people. It's a contract, and the government has no right to stipulate what can be in a contract.

If the contract is coercive, there's a case. If the person couldn't have made an informed decision, there's a case. If the person was misled or lied to, there's a case. If the woman signed a contract, she is bound by the rules therein. That's all there is to it. Rape is bad, I agree, but the solution cannot be for the government to wantonly interfere with the formation of legitimate and valid contracts.
This is a defense spending restriction. Defense contractors form contracts with the government. This law defines what kinds of contracts government officials are allowed to form with defense contractors.

Given that the government is one of the parties in the contract, the contracts-uber-alles argument is rather senseless here.

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theshadavid said:
This is ridiculous. What was the case/bill/resolution called? I'm not going to form an opinion when someone is obviously trying to lead me along. I'm a republican and I know even if all of you don't that we don't like rape. There is an underlying reason for this that is not being addressed. This OP reminds me of any news station.

There is no political problem that can be addressed in two paragraphs. Not even segregation, if the southerners were able to (and eventually fail) attempt to fillibuster the equal rights movement and keep it up for 60 some odd days, then surely there is always two sides to every case (btw, not condoning segregation, just an example).

See, I went and read some of the other posts, this bill isn't just about rape. I don't have the patience to spend my free time reading what it is about, but my point has been made. And for clarification, no, I don't have an opinion on this bill, I just think this op is ridiculous.
The very reason that i've given up on news and instead focus on Game-related news...
 

Alex_P

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bodyklok said:
Just out of interest, why were the these Senators listed as not voting?
Byrd is probably ill. He's rather old and he's had a few health scares this year.
Specter? No idea.

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Rokar333

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theshadavid said:
See, I went and read some of the other posts, this bill isn't just about rape. I don't have the patience to spend my free time reading what it is about, but my point has been made. And for clarification, no, I don't have an opinion on this bill, I just think this op is ridiculous.
It seems that instead of making new posts to address new things people say, you are just editing your one post so that people get a better first impression from you. I'm calling bullshit and I will keep quoting your edits so that you can't pretend that you actually thought through what you said before you said it.

EDIT: I'm not sure you quite get how a forum works, this is what post edits look like.
 

Alex_P

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theshadavid said:
I don't have the patience to spend my free time reading what it is about, but my point has been made. And for clarification, no, I don't have an opinion on this bill, I just think this op is ridiculous.
The amendment being voted on is a single paragraph plus a few loose sentences. The OP links to a source where you can see the exact text. I quoted the entire text for you from THOMAS. You don't have the time to read a single paragraph?

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ryuutchi

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Vuzzmop said:
Oh golly, look at all those rape-friendly republicans. Anyone else notice a pattern here?
You ain't the only one, my friend.

As for me, I'm from California, and I doubt it's a surprise to anyone that Boxer and Feinstein voted for the bill.
 

Bertinan

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After having read the amendment...

Screw you, op. I see what you were trying to do (implying Republicans endorse rape.) That being said, to anyone too lazy to read the amendment, there's more to it than *just* the rape clause. There's also stuff like battery, etc. Basically, under the amendment, someone who got into a fight with another contractor or military person could sue their company.

Oh, and it completely bans all contracts with Haliburton and KBR, if I'm reading this right. Even if they start dropping those particular clauses from their contracts.