Does your Senator love (shielding government contractors from prosecution for abetting) rape?

[Worgen]

its creepy how almost totaly down to party lines this vote was, Im not suprised this got a nay vote from tx but Im a bit suprised it didnt get too, guess hutchinson isnt that bad

 

[Pingieking]

The amendment is actually very limited, and as such I see no real reason to oppose it, especially considering that it closes a loophole allowing companies to place their contractors at a legal disadvantage.

I'm disappointed in my senators. I'm from Colorado, and we're supposed to be all about free markets and free people. It's a contract, and the government has no right to stipulate what can be in a contract.

If the contract is coercive, there's a case. If the person couldn't have made an informed decision, there's a case. If the person was misled or lied to, there's a case. If the woman signed a contract, she is bound by the rules therein. That's all there is to it. Rape is bad, I agree, but the solution cannot be for the government to wantonly interfere with the formation of legitimate and valid contracts.

This is a defense spending restriction. Defense contractors form contracts with the government. This law defines what kinds of contracts government officials are allowed to form with defense contractors.

Given that the government is one of the parties in the contract, the contracts-uber-alles argument is rather senseless here.

-- Alex

I'm going to add another argument on top of that. I think that governments CAN stipulate what can be in a contract (in fact they do), since it is part of the government's job to enforce contracts. Of course there are limits to what governments can stipulate, but since in this case the amendment only applies to government contracts, I think there is absolutely no problem. The same way that I see no problem with any private company making an internal policy to refuse contracts that they don't approve of (as long as it's within their legal right).

 

[jcptopi]

Good to see Maryland said "Yea".

I second that.

 

[sneakypenguin]

Wait, this isn't a vote for rape or anything. From what I understand its just denying govn't contracts to companies that force signing of contracts that hand things over to arbitration. I don't think a vote against that bill is too bad really. Arbitration will still net someone a fair settlement. Doesn't this contract thing just keep people from filing huge civil suits? IE if someone was assaulted by a co worker while in iraq they couldn't sue the company it would just go straight to a judge/arbitrator to decide who gets what?

 

[Zildjin81]

The thread title is sort of misleading, don't you think?

 

[Zildjin81]

This is ridiculous. What was the case/bill/resolution called? I'm not going to form an opinion when someone is obviously trying to lead me along. I'm a republican and I know even if all of you don't that we don't like rape. There is an underlying reason for this that is not being addressed. This OP reminds me of any news station.

There is no political problem that can be addressed in two paragraphs. Not even segregation, if the southerners were able to (and eventually fail) attempt to fillibuster the equal rights movement and keep it up for 60 some odd days, then surely there is always two sides to every case (btw, not condoning segregation, just an example).

See, I went and read some of the other posts, this bill isn't just about rape. I don't have the patience to spend my free time reading what it is about, but my point has been made. And for clarification, no, I don't have an opinion on this bill, I just think this op is ridiculous.

QFT

I may not be a republican but I do see where you're coming from and agree.

 

[Motiv_]

D'aww shit. I hate both the NC senators, but seriously.

 

[Ares Tyr]

My Senators DO love rape. And my governor loves extra-marital affairs in Latin America!

 

[Serge A. Storms]

If you read the thread title wrong, it sounds like the topic is whether or not your senator has rape fantasies.

 

[Dottie]

Here in AZ we LOVE rape.

 

[TheMadTypist]

If you read the thread title wrong, it sounds like the topic is whether or not your senator has rape fantasies.

There is no punishment suitable for the images you have put in my head.

a man, approximately fifty, with greying hair and a bald dome, is strapped to a large, spinning wheel, dressed only in latex short-shorts. A distant door opens, and in walks... Gordita, in her leather catsuit...

 

[TheGreenGoblin]

...And, look at that, they're all republicans. My God, America. Luckily both of my senators voted rationally. VA for the win!

@ above poster: yes.

That was the first thing I checked also. I was shocked. 100% of "let's rape" votes were republican. Of the 39 republicans, 30 of them voted for rape. This suggests a party sticking together and acting like sheep rather than 39 cases of independent thought.

Senators slip bullshit into bills to get them passed all the time. It's called "pork." (Want me to vote your pet bill into law so 300.000 people in your state can have jobs? Only if it has this bill that says the company that just gave me $4 million can dump waste in your state. Don't worry, it'll take them like 20 years to develop cancer. You'll be long out of office by then.)

I don't remember my civics lessons that well, but if I remember 30 votes isn't enough to pass a bill through the Senate.

So...good guys win?

 

[wizzerd229]

w00t Florida!

 

[Nickolas Azieha]

I'm clean. but hey has anyone noticed that all those that said nay were republicans?

 

[twistedshadows]

I moved from a state that voted double-nay to a state that voted double-yea! That makes me happy.

To be fair, I don't think the republicans who voted nay love rape. I'm guessing they just think the amendment takes rights away from corporations, though it's possible some are just being ornery for the sake of being ornery.

 

[Naal]

I was living in California at that time. I don't even know who the Georgia dude is. I think our Senator is Sunny Perdue. Or something like that..

Oh, and old story is old.

 

[Bat Vader]

Michigan is awesome for voting Yea.

 

[Serge A. Storms]

Sonny's the gov, and is the third lemonparty member with Chambliss and Isakson

 

[Booze Zombie]

Strange, you'd think something so stupid would... I dunno, bad for the maintenance of their position?