15% if the service was average and the food got there in a reasonable amount of time, 20% if they did a good job, and 2 cents if they were absolute shitheads
Don't be a bad tipper
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I find the whole idea of tipping kinda weird. At least, the way it's relied on in America seems weird. Here in Australia, you don't tip by default since wait staff are paid a real wage in the first place. There's usually a jar near the cash register you can drop a tip into if you felt you received particularly good service, and nobody really looks to see how much you put in, if anything. The jar proceeds are shared between all the staff at the end of night.
heres the thing. Lets say you serve an average of three customers an hour and they all tip three dollars. thats ten dollars an hour which is $2.50 more than minemum wage where I live. durring dinner and lunch rushes were they probably serve 5-8 tables in an hour which generally will have atleast 2-5 people per table(nobody likes to eat alone) and you realize they are making off alot better than they like to let on. I have a friend who works at expensive steak house and she walks away each night with roughly $150 in tips. obviously everybody's not making that kind of money, but the opportunity is there.Space Spoons said:
I live in Oregon. I eat out a considerable amount because I'm rarely home, so I try to leave around 10%. If I eat by myself, it's only a dollar, I can afford it; its no big deal.
Personally, I think the payscale for waitstaff sucks here. They make minimum wage (I think we have the highest in the nation, or close to it) but they get taxed 8% ON EVERY SINGLE SALE THEY MAKE. Now, lets take Douchebag Joe, who orders a coffee (1.50) and feels like he doesn't need to leave anything 'because he only ordered a cup of coffee' and mix in his douchebag friends Miley, Betty Bob, Harley, Jason, and twenty-to-fifty other douchebags a day, and these people are LOSING a considerable amount of money. If you think I'm making this up, I know most of the waiters/waiteress in Southern Oregon, and believe me, I can direct you to any of them and they'll tell you it's not a joke.
Quite frankly, they should do away with tipping. These people would probably go home with more money.
Personally, I think the payscale for waitstaff sucks here. They make minimum wage (I think we have the highest in the nation, or close to it) but they get taxed 8% ON EVERY SINGLE SALE THEY MAKE. Now, lets take Douchebag Joe, who orders a coffee (1.50) and feels like he doesn't need to leave anything 'because he only ordered a cup of coffee' and mix in his douchebag friends Miley, Betty Bob, Harley, Jason, and twenty-to-fifty other douchebags a day, and these people are LOSING a considerable amount of money. If you think I'm making this up, I know most of the waiters/waiteress in Southern Oregon, and believe me, I can direct you to any of them and they'll tell you it's not a joke.
Quite frankly, they should do away with tipping. These people would probably go home with more money.
I don't tip here in New Zealand, I don't really see the point, the employer should basically just pay them more.
In Australia, tipping is either added on the bill automatically or is not expected. Considering the prices we pay, I don't think paying even more is warranted anyway, but it seems they at least understand that.
That said, I go to a cafe every morning before uni where I get a discount, and I always full price regardless when possible, the extra being considered a tip. That's a 25% tip, I wouldn't call that bad on an already highly marked up market.
That said, I go to a cafe every morning before uni where I get a discount, and I always full price regardless when possible, the extra being considered a tip. That's a 25% tip, I wouldn't call that bad on an already highly marked up market.
Depending on the service I usually leave $5-$15. I mean why bother with an exact number? Just leave what you feel they deserve, but be real about it.
Having worked in the industry for a few years now in the kitchen, some of my co-workers who have had the waitress job for five years now have not seen a raise because the management claims that tips off-set the low wage.
Except that most of the people who show up in the restaurant are either too cheap to tip or are welfare cases.
Honestly, do you think it's cool not to tip someone who serves your food? Hell, I tip every time, and mostly so that when I show up I know that they haven't spit in my food, or that when I want a steak done right the waiter/waitress will go out of their way to ensure I get what I ordered. If your service is bad then don't tip, but otherwise, show a little appreciation for the under-rated, over-worked front line soldiers of a thankless industry.
Except that most of the people who show up in the restaurant are either too cheap to tip or are welfare cases.
Honestly, do you think it's cool not to tip someone who serves your food? Hell, I tip every time, and mostly so that when I show up I know that they haven't spit in my food, or that when I want a steak done right the waiter/waitress will go out of their way to ensure I get what I ordered. If your service is bad then don't tip, but otherwise, show a little appreciation for the under-rated, over-worked front line soldiers of a thankless industry.
I learned somewhere that if the overall shiftly haul for a wait-person is under what they would have made if they recieved minimum wage, the company is required by law to front the difference. I'm not sure where I learned it, but I do recall that the source seemed legitimate. This apllies to the US.
OT: to be quite frank, I will not tip if the service in only adequate. You don't get extra money for just doing your job. If you can't make it without tips but refuse to put out a little extra effort to EARN them, you should find another profession. I think its pretty ludicrous to expect a tip cuz you took a job that you KNOW pays low for a high ammount of work.
OT: to be quite frank, I will not tip if the service in only adequate. You don't get extra money for just doing your job. If you can't make it without tips but refuse to put out a little extra effort to EARN them, you should find another profession. I think its pretty ludicrous to expect a tip cuz you took a job that you KNOW pays low for a high ammount of work.
when i go to a somewhere to eat i expect good service. im not going to tip someone for doing their job. if they went above and beyond then yeah id probably give them something.
To me i think the employers should be paying the employee a fair wage and not have to rely on customers to pay their employees
To me i think the employers should be paying the employee a fair wage and not have to rely on customers to pay their employees
I barely go to places that require tips, and when I do my average bill is right around $10 so I just throw down a couple of singles. I don't bother calculating the percentage since my bill is so low that it would be some amount of change and not have any appreciable difference on the tip.
(U.S. citizen in California)
Yes, they make $2.00 to $3.00 an hour. Most of you are right also in saying that the tips are supposed to balance that out, but it's also regulated by the employer. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's wage of $2.13 (lets say) per hour do not equal the hourly standard minimum wage, the employer is required (by law) to make up the difference. If he refuses and tries to keep the money from them, he should be reported.
So by that, they are still making the same minimum wage as a lot of other people who aren't tipped. Minimum wage here in California is $8.00, overtime jumps to $12.00. San Fransisco, gives their minimum wage employees $9.92. When you say they just make $2.00 to $3.00 and can barely live, that sounds bad, and a sad lonely cello goes off in my head; but it's also inaccurate (at least for the U.S.)
I'm not saying I don't tip. I just tip when I feel it's appropriate, and deserved.
Yes, they make $2.00 to $3.00 an hour. Most of you are right also in saying that the tips are supposed to balance that out, but it's also regulated by the employer. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's wage of $2.13 (lets say) per hour do not equal the hourly standard minimum wage, the employer is required (by law) to make up the difference. If he refuses and tries to keep the money from them, he should be reported.
So by that, they are still making the same minimum wage as a lot of other people who aren't tipped. Minimum wage here in California is $8.00, overtime jumps to $12.00. San Fransisco, gives their minimum wage employees $9.92. When you say they just make $2.00 to $3.00 and can barely live, that sounds bad, and a sad lonely cello goes off in my head; but it's also inaccurate (at least for the U.S.)
I'm not saying I don't tip. I just tip when I feel it's appropriate, and deserved.
Not being american I usualy just tip with small change. Sometimes it's a lot, sometimes it's little (i.e.: if the amount added up to ?76.40 or to ?79.20 I would give ?80 and say "keep the change").
Whenever I'm in the states I hate having to calculate the amount I "should be" tipping. But since I'm usualy in a vacation mood then, I tend to tip more than "expected", unless the service was really bad. If only to make up for some compatriots who weren't aware of the minimum wage thing.
Personally I think it's a shame hard working people have to rely on tips like that.
Whenever I'm in the states I hate having to calculate the amount I "should be" tipping. But since I'm usualy in a vacation mood then, I tend to tip more than "expected", unless the service was really bad. If only to make up for some compatriots who weren't aware of the minimum wage thing.
Personally I think it's a shame hard working people have to rely on tips like that.
