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The marketing fiasco with DmC (2013). When Ninja Theory went about mocking classic DMC/Dante fans, most of the gaming journalism took part in either mocking the fan base, or encouraging NT to act like shit. One of the journalists even had the gall to be upset when DmC did not sell like gangbusters, was hypocritical about it. He was all about vote with your wallet, but when other people do it, then it's a problem or an asshole move apparently.Avnger said:
As for the God of War series:
Kratos in the numbered games became a caricature of a caricature. I seriously didn't want to play nu-GOW because Kratos was still the main character. Most of the clips used in the video came from the PSP games, which far less people played. The 1st game definitely has well-executed themes, but that is not the general taste left by the GOW series as GOW2/3 definitely have shit-tier writing. Nu-GOW definitely changed the tone of the series quite a bit even if the overall themes have similarity and it is a very different work than even the 1st game. I don't think critics or gamers abandoned GOW, it's that GOW abandoned itself. Also, the video features that joke of a video game commentator CleanPrinceGaming that had to make a new pop-culture channel, Nerdstalgic, to fool new people with his low-quality content/criticism. But anyway, just about every game that gets praised for its writing like nu-GOW rarely, if ever, has top-notch writing and it's really just decent-to-good writing being leagues above the shit-tier writing most games have (even from devs known for their writing, have you played Vampyr by Dontnod?) along with a combination of most game reviewers not actually being good at criticism to begin with.CoCage said:
The dude still has a valid point regardless of the clips he pulled from certain commentators. It still does not stop professional gaming sites like IGN or GameSpot for making hypocritical statements. I agree that Kratos became a caricature, and I stopped caring for him by the 2nd mainline game, but if they didn't play the prequels, that is their problem. They became available on PS3 around 2012/2013 in compilation packs, so they have no excuse. My main problems with the old GOWs, was pacing grinds to a halt, and that is especially true with 3. And as much as I disliked Kratos after the first game, at the elements the critics act like that are new, were in the older titles. Though I feel that 4 does is better and adds a little more to it. Plus, the games played too similar to each other; especially the jump from 2 to 3.Phoenixmgs said:
I don't see gamers or fans (unless you name is Gaming Brit) abandoning God of War , but I see only the critics abandoning it. Say what you will about 4, but it at least acknowledges that it's the same Kratos and everything. Most fans concede to 4's flaws, but a majority of them still love 4, so apparently Santa Monica did something right.
I have no interest in Vampyr.
When critics say the new GoW is finally mature, and by extension that the old ones weren't, it's not in relation to the themes or the character(s), it's in relation to the framing. The problem with classic Kratos wasn't that he was a psychopathic butcher; there've been plenty of good stories with less than savory protagonists. The problem was how his actions were framed. And that framing pretty much consisted of 'Kratos is always right, cuz fuck you, you're dead.' The developers never dared called into question Kratos' action after the first game, and I mean REALLY call into question, because that would mean criticizing Kratos and criticizing the players who enjoy his slaughtering rampage. Notice how almost every character in the older games that tries to hold a mirror infront of Kratos is depicted in this obnoxious manner, making the player more eager to kill them and shut them up.CoCage said:
A majority of them from what I've seen failed to bother to mention those points and they know it. Which is funny as how critics from yesteryear how the old series (mainly I & II) claimed how mature the games were only to ditch at the drop off a hat only to look mature in front of their peers. Not the first time that has happened with GOW. I remember when professional critics that had sticks up their asses about the "bros before hoes" trophy and the developers changed it to "bros before foes" due to complaints from them. Adam Sessler was the most guilty of this when complaining about violence against women when the furies were trying to kill Kratos. I'm like " ************, where was all of this morality when Kratos was doing more heinous and worse shit in the past games. What makes this event so special? You didn't ***** back then, and praised all of the other shit!" I know why. Because it was 2013, and it was the year a lot of (not all) these jerk offs were trying to look more feminists not because it was the right thing, but either to please women who didn't play the games or to appear righteous or look good. Not to say there haven't poor portrayals of women in games, but to take a stance all of sudden screams agenda. Killer Is Dead went through similar, but worse bullshit. The gigolo mode is where everyone started panicking, even though Grasshopper did not want make the silly, but shitty mode. That blame goes to Kawada publishing.Casual Shinji said:
I know I lost respect for Adam after that. It was this, and couple other reviews that made ma unsubscribe. They shut down 2 years later. Oh, and apparently a majority of them were complaining about the Trial of Archimedes being too hard even though God of War II & III had way more challenging sections even on the standard difficulty. They patched it in so you can get more blue and green orbs due to complaints from critics and not the fans.
You have point and I agree with you on games trying paint Kratos as the one in the right or the most sympathetic. All of II & most of III is guilty of this especially. Like I said before, I more or less stopped caring for Kratos by the end of II. It was clear Santa Monica was going for a black and grey, asshole god vs. worse asshole gods. When in reality it was Raging Asshole God not much better than the God he is fighting against. Kratos was sure as hell not the lesser evil, but on equal footing with the gods in terms of morality. Like the Joker once said: "You managed to find a way to win, yet everybody still loses!".
I'm just saying he pulled clips from people that definitely aren't and were never considered professional gaming critics/journalists. I'm definitely not trying to defend professional gaming journalism because it's pretty shit. However, I wouldn't complain about anyone saying nu-GOW is quite different from classic GOW because it just is. The 1st game is a solidly executed Greek tragedy that is done in a way to make it cool for teenagers. Nu-GOW is not that at all even though both games share themes. I would say nu-GOW is more mature than the old games; maybe "mature" isn't quite the right word to use but I'm definitely not amazing at criticism, but everyone who has played both totally understands what I would be getting at. GOW1 is still, by far, my favorite game in the series (that I played), I'm by no means throwing it under-the-bus or forgetting its quality and it does have a better executed story than nu-GOW IMO.CoCage said:
You can't expect anyone (professional or otherwise) to play every game out there, it's just not possible. Just like you can't watch every episode of TV out there. You can validly criticize a work without having seen/read/played everything that has [insert IP name] stamped on the cover.
There's no reason for anyone to play Vampyr. I thought it was going to have at least OK writing since it was from Dontnod and vampire role-play/decision-making aspects would make it something unique and worth playing. But the writing was so bad. I only listed it because when game critics play a game with just decent writing, they think it's something amazing (see Bioshock) because they're used of Vampyr-level writing basically. How Vampyr has a meta-score of 70 is mind-boggling.
No, of course not, but it gets annoying when people say certain games don't matter (now) for the sake of looking cultured or nuanced. You're lying to yourself and others and spreads bad information. They did the same thing with classic DMC, throwing the classic games under the bus while praising DmC (2013) like it was best thing since sliced bread. Or how they still hold this view that DmC was an underrated classic that got treated unfairly. When that was definitely not the case.Phoenixmgs said:
RE7 is another example where most critics were praising for being "new and innovative" (other than the VR), when the game had a lot of cut bonus content made for DLC. Some of it free; some of it not. When even in RE6 and previous RE games, they were many extra modes after completing the main campaign(s). Yes, a good amount critics were praising Capcom for holding back bonus content that would have been an unlockable in any other RE title. 5 & 6 did have some DLC, but there was still a lot of content when finishing the main campaign. Especially if we're talking about 6.
You forget, this is 2020, and "Casual" means anyone who A: Does not do e-sports for a living B: Anyone who plays something the person using the word "casual" doesn't care for. Pretty sure B-Cell considers me a casual despite me having been a level builder back in /idarchives' infancy and still having some contact with my old Quake clan.CritialGaming said: