DOTA 2: "Sorry, no new people welcome"

[AlbertoDeSanta]

Saw this thread and thought of myself. I basically had the same problem. I, technically, never paid for it. But I still feel cheated. I know nothing of DOTA, I've never played ANYTHING similar and the fact that the tutorial tab DOESN'T HAVE ANY TUTORIALS is sort of misleading.

(For those wanting to know, I got Dota 2 for a Strange Shovel [tf2 item] that I had lying around)

 

[buttfucker911]

I disagree with everyone stating that dota 2 is still in beta; you can buy it on Steam pretty much anytime you want, and they give out invites like candy to anyone with an account. To me that about means a game is out. Still, there is a tutorial button but it's grayed out, and that right there is everything you need to know about dota 2 in a nutshell. You might watch a few youtube frag videos, or highlights from one of those tournaments where the prize pot is a million goddamn dollars, and think this might be a fun thing to get into, but you'd be wrong. Yeah, obviously this could be a blast for someone who knows what they're doing, but the path to getting there is so long and arduous and frustrating that you're better off just forgetting it and sticking to modding Skyrim or whatever. Even if you do reach the pinnacle of Very High matchmaking where your team doesn't pick 5 carries and every single game doesn't feature Drow and Pudge, you'll still be surrounded by the same mewling dickholes that make the dota community so world-famous. There are always more asshole players, and they are always worse.

If you have some friends that you don't mind losing as friends, you can consider queuing up with them but I wouldn't recommend this either.

About the most generous thing that can be said of dota 2 is that it isn't league of legends, which may be the single worst game ever made and I am convinced is some sort of elaborate long-term socio-psychological experiment.

This is a pretty decent look at what you're in for if you decide to ignore my advice and jump into the cesspit of random public matchmaking anyway. Just remember you were warned! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f-jR3Vo3Rw

it is in beta, the thing you're buying is a early access and some in game cosmetics, people have been selling beta invites for god knows how long, doesn't mean the game is out nor does it mean the game is done, it means you can get in to the beta if you so wish early.

edit: forgot to respond to the op.
on topic, people greatly overestimate how hard this game is, just get a decent guide off the internet and try not to be stupid.

That's only because they still want to advertise it as free to play. It's not free to play yet, but anyone can pay to play it. It is released.

In addition, it's easy to offer guides and informational literature and to recommend bot games to newbs (look I'll even do it http://www.dota2alttab.com/ ), but in practice that will mean nothing. Bot games simply can't teach you anything besides the most basic of the basic skills involved, like what lanes are, or how to last hit creeps. It doesn't matter what guide you read, or what build you use, or who you queue with, or if you pick the most broken easymode hero in the game, you're going to feed relentlessly while the Russian dude types I FUCK UR MUM XAXAXAXA STUPID AMERICANO in allchat. There's no way around it, if you're new to dota, you're going to have a bad time, full stop. The only reason people were able to clamber up the vertical learning curve in the first place was because back when it was a wc3 custom map, people had no idea what was going on, and the playing field was more level because people simply didn't know any better than to build dagon on Pudge. The people playing now have been playing this for a very, very long time, and if you deviate at all from how they perceive the One True Build for a specific hero to be, you better believe they'll let you know about it.

I mean hell I have 300 hours played since this summer, I can't even say I hate the game but hot damn does it have problems. Can't recommend it to anyone.

 

[Stainlesssteele4]

It doesn't take a genius to figure out.
The internet is full of guides and resources to help you learn, and of all else fails, watching a single video of pure gameplay answers most, if not all questions one could have about the game.
Everyone else figured it out just fine. Just hop into a bot match, and just do what players did before tutorials. If the game is too hard to grasp, then you probably shouldn't be playing it.

On the topic of community...
The Dota community is virtually the same as any other MOBA. Sure, Dota's mechanics put a lot of pressure on players, and can cause players to get angry if their time is wasted, or a player is making obvious mistakes. But as far as vitriolic players, the scales are pretty even, mostly because the Dota player base is composed of a large quantity of LoL players, and vice versa.

I disagree with everyone stating that dota 2 is still in beta...

Yes, Dota is still in Beta. Not all characters have been implemented, and the game undergoes constant changes. This isn't a subject of interpretation, the game is officially in Beta, despite what you may think. Just because there is a large player base, does not mean the game is finished. Just look at Minecraft, the game hit peak popularity during its alpha phase.

Fuck Dota 2, come and play League of Legends instead :3

No need to perpetuate fanboyism. We certainly get enough of that here. Not everything has to be a 'sides' thing.

EDIT: Stop calling them Champions... They are Heroes.

 

[Azwrath]

Well first off DOTA 2 is still in beta. Closed beta for that matter which generaly means you must usualy have an intrest and basic knowledge of this type of games if you actualy went out of your way to get a key.

Then there's the fact that if you had no clue on how to play the game you could have actualy posted a thread about it asking for some basic help. Then people would have told you basic stuff like:

-only play on co-op against bots until you get the hang of it

-then seach for a few youtube videos to learn how to use the UI which btw is not that hard. I mean you have the bottom menu from where you select a skill at lvlup and then use those skills to fight the enemy and then if you click the static fat guy in you base or the big SHOP button you get the shop menu. On the left of this menu you got the items you need to buy (it even sais right there "Recomended items"). Right click to buy them when you have the money. There you now know 95% of the game mechanincs. The rest of 5% includes knowing the skills of each hero and that usualy takes a month or 2 of learning. If you think that is too dificult then these kind of game are not for you.

But instead you just chose to go into the game head-on without any knowledge of what to expect and then come to whine when the game handed your ass to you.

Is the game hard and sometimes unfair towards new player? Yes it is.

Could all of this have been avoided by simply informing yourself beforehand? Yes it could have.

So i'm sorry but i think your ignorance might be more to blame for you griefs.

 

[WendelI]

I feel like an avid MOBA player playing since a DOTA mod called darkness and light (a mod of a mod now that is meta) till now on league and playing old DOTA and even DOTA2 feels like getting kicked in the testicles. It is painful, and the only reward that you get is being a little better at taking a boot to the nuts. The game isn't very intuitive and unlike league of legends if you don't do some of the more obscure things (like denying or pulling mobs in jungle camps to reset their spawn timer) that big spider in the other side of the lane is going to eat your head. I guess I'm more used to the casual variant of the medium.

 

[StBishop]

Here use this
Salvation

But yeah don't expect a tutorial for either Dota 2 or HoN those are serious Mobas based off the original. League of Legends is a better choice for new players since IT HAS A TUTORIAL and a lot of the more complicated mechanics has been removed.

Though it's your choice since each game has those small differences that makes them unique.

Ummm, HoN has a tutorial...

OT: Yeah I understand that the games are almost completely inaccessible, but that's kind of the whole point. It's fun to stop being shit. It's hard to stop being shit when you were never shit to begin with.

While I can sympathise with the horrible time you had learning (which I assume is due to a lack of someone to teach you) I would recommend playing with friends, because there's really no other way to play MOBA's.

Oh and as far as taking it easy on bads? Not going to happen. If someone is new, I'm happy to offer advice, if they choose to willingly ignore advice and play horribly, which can in turn ruin an hour of my day (usually this is about a third of the amount of time I have to game a week) I'm not going to be happy about it.

That said, if you don't want to play with bads you should probably have a better ranking (ELO, MMR/PSR, etc).

 

[buttfucker911]

EDIT: Stop calling them Champions... They are Heroes.

sup lol players. Get ready to see people calling heroes 'champs' a lot more once the game goes free to play haha

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Because you learn the basics after the first few matches and everything else is personal play style. It would take more time, and be less effective to read a tutorial then just getting a feel for the game.

 

[SinisterGehe]

The thing with Dota2 is that it is in beta and is focused on testing things with people who have the skills and will to test it.
Every single game is recorded, analyzed and used to better the game.

There is a practice mode available in the play menu, so.. Try it out. Also There is the Learn tab that tell you what the heros do and how they should be used (this is only how they are recommended to be used, when you become more experienced you can improvise, example I play few heroes in ways that they aren't really designed - but it works with good team and experience.

Don't be afraid to experience and fail. Just do not bad manner or rage quit and you'll be fine. Just like all games that demand practice and skill patience is your friend.

Also if you have issues finding a right hero for yourself try the Single draft mode, you get 3 totally different heroes to try out and usually the people who play that mode do not master the heroes they play and are there to try out safely.

There are some tutorials on youtube, I recommend to watch TBs games. Also I recommend to go to Twitch and follow some of the streams. Merlindota is good and fun to watch. ofc. I do not recommend to copy their moves since they are professionals, but it gives you a really good idea of what to do. Of course the lingo they use will go over your head at first, but you'll learn it. i for example have no fucking clue about any of the LoL lingo or heroes or whatnot.

I highly recommend DOTA2 for you, just patience and persistance. Think what you did wrong and fix it. Play for fun not to win and when you learn the game bit more you play for fun and win.

Also still remember - DOTA2 is in beta, not all the functions, guides tooltips are in yet.

 

[Carnagath]

I've played a couple of games, you can play competently enough by just knowing the basics, building the recommended items, doing your best not to die and not playing "weird" champions. I've been trying Clinkz, he's really easy to play, I never lost with him, always end up with ridiculous scores like 20/5/25 and 250 minion kills, just push your lane and immediately gank other lanes or chunk exposed towers, and escape with E. Later in the game, stay behind the meat shields, open Q and annihilate people. Of course I'm still a giant noob, but so are other people, since the game has adaptive matchmaking and such. If you give the game some time, try different champions without ever overexposing and read up on a few tips you'll get the hang of it.

As a LoL player who has never played the original Dota, I realize that laning is harder and it's generally hard for me to adapt to it to a "good" degree, since every disable and steroid lasts soooo long in this game (I'd say 3 times longer than they usually do in LoL), and ultimates are much more powerful. It's like the Brood War school of balancing, "everything's OP as shit, gl hf".

 

[NerfedFalcon]

If you ever just decide that you need a win in order to not lose faith that you can actually get things done, try picking Riki. If you just stay conservative until level 6, that's when you get his passive - permanent invisibility. That's when you can start roaming around the map and farming the other team. If you're lucky, the other team won't know what 'dust' means and nobody will be able to stop you.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

[HEADING=2]WHY?![/HEADING]

Because the game isn't finished yet?
Given it's still in Beta they want to get the actual game working first.. Teaching the noobs (and i'm not counting myself out of this category) to play comes last.

Anyway, I've logged 10 hours in the game so far. The first game was awful because I didn't know what I was doing but after that first game I've discovered I'm actually reasonably good. Still haven't got the faintest clue about decent builds or complex strategies but I've got the basics covered and I can reliably do well with the one hero I have practice with.

The funny thing is even though I've not been playing long I've had about 30% of my games ruined by noobs who feed the enemy and ensure we can't win, or people who ragequit. I try to impart some advice like don't push the lane, fighting under towers is bad, don't waste all your abilities on creeps, go for last hits but it is very frustrating when they don't listen.

I've yet to take my annoyance out on anyone but I can understand why people do. Having a 30-50 minute game ruined because of someone else is frustrating.

If you want a non-intimidating source of info, watch the TotalBiscuit series WoWkiller linked. He knows what he's on about but the fact that he isn't amazing at the game yet still can actually do okay is quite encouraging.

EDIT: Although I definitely think a tutorial should be one of their next priorities now that the beta invites have been ramping up and the game is pretty much content complete.

 

[Subscriptism]

Why don't you just chill out and watch a let's play on youtube or something?

 

[lRookiel]

No need to perpetuate fanboyism. We certainly get enough of that here. Not everything has to be a 'sides' thing.

EDIT: Stop calling them Champions... They are Heroes.

Meh, I just like to be included in things.

I do own DOTA 2, I probably should install it some time. Oh and it's Champions :3

 

[Meatspinner]

I wonder if this will turn into another "Dota is sooooooo much better the League of F*gs". Every time we have a moba discussion here, 1-3 new user register to decry the unholy monster that is LoL.

OT: Take this game in strides, it takes time to get accustomed to but when you do the game can be really rewarding

 

[WoW Killer]

I wonder if this will turn into another "Dota is sooooooo much better the League of F*gs". Every time we have a moba discussion here, 1-3 new user register to decry the unholy monster that is LoL.

I'm making it a point to reveal myself as a filthy casual SMITE player in every MOBA thread just so both sides can look down on me xD

 

[Amnesiac Pigeon]

Dota 2 is still in beta.

A tutorial will most likely be added once everything else is implemented.

 

[Zyst]

Back when I started playing DotA it took me around one year to get to a point where I wasn't sucking anymore. There were few guides, there was the game, friends and whatever. Please, don't complain, you have it so much better and if you couldn't be bothered to google "I'm new to DotA, what the fuck do I do".

Here goes some help, read this: http://www.playdota.com/guides/welcome-to-dota-you-suck then start googling. Pick one simple hero (Leoric, Sven) learn some basic builds and work from there. At a point in time later (1 year or so at least?) You will want to start playing AP then instantly going into random or SD. Playing different champions forces you to learn and although I haven't played DotA 2 in a few weeks I still know the mana cost of every spell in the game, duration of disables and so on.

Good luck and if you do decide to stick around, have fun.

 

[Nobuoa Schniell]

I wonder if this will turn into another "Dota is sooooooo much better the League of F*gs". Every time we have a moba discussion here, 1-3 new user register to decry the unholy monster that is LoL.

I'm making it a point to reveal myself as a filthy casual SMITE player in every MOBA thread just so both sides can look down on me xD

Fuck Smite, you're not a real filthy casual obscure ass game playing loser until you play Land of Chaos Online.