Dota 2's automated mute system - Valve's most prominent stuff up

[ResonanceSD]

Okay, so I guess I'll ask this question here so I don't open an unnecessary thread. This thread actually inspired me to finally try DotA2, and it's actually kinda fun. Just doing bot battles right now to get the feel for things. So far I've played Crystal Maiden and Lich, enjoyed Lich a little bit more. Generally, I like ranged characters and will stick with fighting in a lane and trying to push it over doing any of the other stuff like trying to be a carry, ganker, etc. Any suggestions of characters I should try?

Oh, and fyi, been using http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/User%3aPigbuster/Hero_Difficulty as a guide to characters.

Lich, Drow, Dragon Knight/


I dream of moments like this.


Instead.

 

[LetalisK]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

 

[ResonanceSD]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

That why I love Juggernaut so much

Fuck your moves, I have Blade Fury.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

That why I love Juggernaut so much

Fuck your moves, I have Blade Fury.

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Oh, and so is Omnislash.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

That why I love Juggernaut so much

Fuck your moves, I have Blade Fury.

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Oh, and so is Omnislash.

I've been really trying to play with Phantom Assassin lately, but she just doesn't' have any of the utility of Juggernaut.

Her crits are amazing, but they're just unreliable at 15%, while Jugg's might do less damage, but they come out a lot more often. His Ulti is a get out of jail free card that can turn entire fights and his BF let's him escape/initiate without having to worry about getting destroyed.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

That why I love Juggernaut so much

Fuck your moves, I have Blade Fury.

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Oh, and so is Omnislash.

I've been really trying to play with Phantom Assassin lately, but she just doesn't' have any of the utility of Juggernaut.

Her crits are amazing, but they're just unreliable at 15%, while Jugg's might do less damage, but they come out a lot more often. His Ulti is a get out of jail free card that can turn entire fights and his BF let's him escape/initiate without having to worry about getting destroyed.

The problem with hard carries, especially when your build isn't core meta or you get unlucky with rand crits is that your team will instantly jump on you. Like your wonderful russians.

 

[LetalisK]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

I'm going to bookmark that clip and watch it again in 6 months. It's impressive to me now, by then I'll probably shit myself watching it again later. This is basically what I got from it: Group with red health bars goes into gank the green health bar guys. Naga puts them to sleep, red group seems to be taking their sweet time getting into position around the green guys allowing them to come out of sleep, leading to one of the green guys being able to use that blackhole ability that sucks them in and makes it so that can't do anything(?). Because most of the red guys are being sucked in at that one point, the rest of the green team just AoEs the shit out of them. Why was the BKB important, though? It's hard to tell what effect it's having during all that chaos and I thought it was just to remove magical effects on yourself.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

I'm going to bookmark that clip and watch it again in 6 months. It's impressive to me now, by then I'll probably shit myself watching it again later. This is basically what I got from it: Group with red health bars goes into gank the green health bar guys. Naga puts them to sleep, red group seems to be taking their sweet time getting into position around the green guys allowing them to come out of sleep, leading to one of the green guys being able to use that blackhole ability that sucks them in and makes it so that can't do anything(?). Because most of the red guys are being sucked in at that one point, the rest of the green team just AoEs the shit out of them. Why was the BKB important, though? It's hard to tell what effect it's having during all that chaos and I thought it was just to remove magical effects on yourself.

Black King Bar (BKB) blocks most spells, so Enigma threw it up as soon as he came out of sleep and avoided all that incoming stun and magic, throwing down a Blackhole. Juggernaut does what Juggernaut does best and starts being unstoppable with his Blade Fury (which is essentially a BKB ability with none of the downsides), and starts tearing the guys in the Blackhole to pieces.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Not sure what I just saw. How did they reverse the gank?

Enigma hit BKB as soon as song wore off, negated everything, as did Juggernaut's Bladefury, Rubick Forestaffed away from Tide ravage, stole ravage, enigma hit blackhole, jug still spinning, in the middle of three of them, then Rubick used stolen ravage.

I'm going to bookmark that clip and watch it again in 6 months. It's impressive to me now, by then I'll probably shit myself watching it again later. This is basically what I got from it: Group with red health bars goes into gank the green health bar guys. Naga puts them to sleep, red group seems to be taking their sweet time getting into position around the green guys allowing them to come out of sleep, leading to one of the green guys being able to use that blackhole ability that sucks them in and makes it so that can't do anything(?). Because most of the red guys are being sucked in at that one point, the rest of the green team just AoEs the shit out of them. Why was the BKB important, though? It's hard to tell what effect it's having during all that chaos and I thought it was just to remove magical effects on yourself.

BKB gives magic immunity. Everything that iG tried to hit NaVi with was magical damage. Enigma's BH is a stun which damages and concentrates the group together. Juggernaut's spin does damage to all of them.

So basically Enigma turned around that fight on his own.

 

[Calcium]

Wait... You can't actually just use other accounts that have never even played with a guy to report them can you? I thought you had to have played someone to be able to report them?

Because being able to report anyone without even being in a match with them is simply ridiculous.

Haven't been muted or anything myself. The worst I've done in chat was call someone a moron for continuously pinging me trying to get me to jump into a fight that would have been a 2v5 if I had ran over. I do take the piss sometimes though if others start complaining about 'retard team mates' or other such garbage.

 

[DasDestroyer]

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Not quite true, you can't attack targets that are being hit by Blade Fury, so it becomes useless offensively in the lategame, when a single crit does more damage than the entire duration of Blade Fury.

 

[ResonanceSD]

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Not quite true, you can't attack targets that are being hit by Blade Fury, so it becomes useless offensively in the lategame, when a single crit does more damage than the entire duration of Blade Fury.

Sorry, does BF act as a BKB? Yes. Does it reduce it's duration every time you use it? No. The point you seem to be replying to was not the point I made.

 

[DasDestroyer]

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Not quite true, you can't attack targets that are being hit by Blade Fury, so it becomes useless offensively in the lategame, when a single crit does more damage than the entire duration of Blade Fury.

Sorry, does BF act as a BKB? Yes. Does it reduce it's duration every time you use it? No. The point you seem to be replying to was not the point I made.

I assumed you were explaining Blade Fury to whoever it was who asked for an explanation of the video, in which case pointing out that it does not have BKB's disadvantages without pointing out its own disadvantages isn't a good explanation. If you were just pointing out how awesome Juggernaut is because of his abilities, then yes, I misunderstood your point. But if you're going to be that literal, an enemy Naga ult also protects you from magic as well as not having a reduced duration, so I'm not sure that comparing just the BKB's disadvantages is a good way to go, but I digress.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

While I don't play DotA2 myself, I would liken this to comments on Youtube being flagged for spam rather than downvoted, or videos spammed for copyright infringement even though covered under fair use. Any automatic system will be abused by people looking to use it unfairly, it's just the way it is, and I can't believe Valve thought something like this was a good idea.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Okay, so I guess I'll ask this question here so I don't open an unnecessary thread. This thread actually inspired me to finally try DotA2, and it's actually kinda fun. Just doing bot battles right now to get the feel for things. So far I've played Crystal Maiden and Lich, enjoyed Lich a little bit more. Generally, I like ranged characters and will stick with fighting in a lane and trying to push it over doing any of the other stuff like trying to be a carry, ganker, etc. Any suggestions of characters I should try?

Oh, and fyi, been using http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/User%3aPigbuster/Hero_Difficulty as a guide to characters.

*ahem* http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/DotA-2

That guide's pretty good I think. There are a few weird ones like Luna and Drow having a really high difficulty (They're simple carries with few actives abilities) If you like sticking in a lane and pushing, I'd recommend Leshrac.


Diabolic edict can bring towers down quicker than almost anything else.

 

[Tanakh]

BF is basically a BKB that doesn't have any of the disadvantages.

Not quite true, you can't attack targets that are being hit by Blade Fury, so it becomes useless offensively in the lategame, when a single crit does more damage than the entire duration of Blade Fury.

This, and no, he was replying to exactly what you wrote. But maybe you thought you wrote something different.

As for enigma, chances of him being relevant are quite low, metagame has changed too much and there are several ways to counter him atm. It is however a nice situational hero for an early push strat.

Finally, Jugg is barely a carry, certainly not a hard carry. He is a good mid game dominator and tempo controller. Sadly he also won't be used almost at all, his chances of being picked are even lower than enigma's IMO.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Repeatedly using multiple accounts to get someone in trouble while using the same IP sounds like a really good way to get banned from DOTA 2 permanently if not losing your entire steam account. You don't think they log that shit? This is valve we are talking about.

 

[ResonanceSD]

Repeatedly using multiple accounts to get someone in trouble while using the same IP sounds like a really good way to get banned from DOTA 2 permanently if not losing your entire steam account. You don't think they log that shit? This is valve we are talking about.

Same guys who can completely fuck up the launch of their Dota 2 global championship tickets by providing 0 foresight in terms of popularity? Yeah, they aren't the sort of angel people that people around here think they are.

"Oh no, people flooded our servers and bought all the tickets, we made the tickets tradeable too for some unknown reason"

"Oh no, now other people are selling tickets on to other gamers for 4x the price, if only we could have predicted this".

And I'm not saying I'd do the "get 15 accounts to report an opponent". That's just sad.

 

[Tanakh]

"Oh no, now other people are selling tickets on to other gamers for 4x the price, if only we could have predicted this".

10 times the price today evening bro. If you can find them at 4 times, buy and resell IMO.

As for the tournament itself, last one was often called the best organized tournament in the history of e-sports by various pro casters, mainly from SC, that went there. I am not sure you can blame reselling tickets on Valve, personally don't see how making them not tradable would solve anything as making a steam account and getting dota are both free in practice, but might be missing something.