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[Tanakh]

Well when you think about it, if he's picked 15% of the time, in every 10 games played he will appear roughly twice, statistically. That isn't rare. Rare is something that happens maybe in 1-5% of games.

He's a great pick if you want to dominate your tri-lane, or traditional offlaners such as Dark Seer and Bounty Hunter are unavaliable. More of a mid game orientated hero.

I'd argue a "rare and situational" hero is something like a Broodmother as opposed to Juggernaut who is merely "uncommon".

Different definitions on words bro, for me something that happens one times out of then is rare.

Also I think your link is mainly of european DotA, because in chinese doto enigma is way more used than juggernaut because he is not a poor's man magnus but one that is just better if your aim is to have your opponent without towers by the 20 min mark. Of course, again, that is very different in pubs, early push strats are hard to pull off when some people of your team don't cooperate.

 

[endtherapture]

Well when you think about it, if he's picked 15% of the time, in every 10 games played he will appear roughly twice, statistically. That isn't rare. Rare is something that happens maybe in 1-5% of games.

He's a great pick if you want to dominate your tri-lane, or traditional offlaners such as Dark Seer and Bounty Hunter are unavaliable. More of a mid game orientated hero.

I'd argue a "rare and situational" hero is something like a Broodmother as opposed to Juggernaut who is merely "uncommon".

Different definitions on words bro, for me something that happens one times out of then is rare.

Also I think your link is mainly of european DotA, because in chinese doto enigma is way more used than juggernaut because he is not a poor's man magnus but one that is just better if your aim is to have your opponent without towers by the 20 min mark. Of course, again, that is very different in pubs, early push strats are hard to pull off when some people of your team don't cooperate.

Either way, iG and Zenith pick up Juggernaut fairly often and they're both Asian teams.

 

[Tanakh]

Either way, iG and Zenith pick up Juggernaut fairly often and they're both Asian teams.

Seriously bro? 3 times out of 133 games for iG this year and you think it's "fairly often"? Whatevs.

 

[Tanakh]

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Because PL is gay as hell, the more boring the game, the better for PL and only requires a silver SC II micro level to be effective. Even worse, it gets stronger in pubs.

Batrider and Nxy are beasts, but require DotA 2 skills like awareness, team coordination and game sense for them to work. Naix is probably the second strongest carry behind Alchy, but he is more farm independant and kicks in earlier. Magnus is actually not that successful in pro games anymore, he is a monster for sure but people know how to play against him. And all of them make for action packed games, which are crowd pleasers.

And you shouldn't worry. I can guarantee that, unless the metagame changes drastically, you will see more Shadow Demons and Rubicks than Nyx and Bats in game.

 

[Tien Shen]

I'd like to note that the same people your reporting in game on LoL are the same people judging your reports so...yeah.
It's equally as shitty.

YOu can't pick what cases to review in the tribunal, they are randomly assigned to you when you use the tribunal. The odds of the person reporting you coming across your cases by random are quite small.

 

[Tanakh]

For Batrider, fair enough. For Nyx, you must be joking. What, skills like the ability to hit "E" or whatever key you have your third skill bound to so you can recieve your free get out of jail card? PL is fucking boring to watch and he's a pain to play against but if you think he's a super low skill hero compared to Nyx you are fooling yourself.

You mean like people know how to play against PL? His winrate in competitive wasn't all that high last month.

Balance > what you want to see in the G-League this year.

That's because Nyx and Bat are banned out in the first ban phase 90% of the time.

Free get out of jail cards are not uncommon, AM, QoP, Puck, Morph and Magnus all have one off the top of my head. And if you read I was saying that Nyx and Bat both require DotA specific skillsets, PL doesn't need to fight to win, as long as you are able to micro 2 or 3 control groups he will outfarm and push everything, that's how Aui plays it and sadly it's the right way.

Yea... if you read this thread you would find me advocating against PL nerfs, because even if he is boring, he is not OP.

Again, it's not what I want. You wrote "Still don't get why PL is the first hero everyone talks about when it comes to who to nerf.", I was answering to that, personally I do not think PL or Magnataur require buffs or nerfs.

You are right! Its because bat, nyx and wisp will be banned! So we can't have a "TI3 to be(ing) a Mag-Nyx-Bat-Naix-Gyro borefest" if that's the case, can we?

Personally the only hero that I feel requires an urgent nerf (in the pro scene) is wisp, the ************ is totally OP, tough Alchemist is getting there, and maybe bat.

 

[endtherapture]

Either way, iG and Zenith pick up Juggernaut fairly often and they're both Asian teams.

Seriously bro? 3 times out of 133 games for iG this year and you think it's "fairly often"? Whatevs.

If you think 15% is "rare" I feel sorry for oyu because you have no clue about statistics.

 

[Tanakh]

Either way, iG and Zenith pick up Juggernaut fairly often and they're both Asian teams.

Seriously bro? 3 times out of 133 games for iG this year and you think it's "fairly often"? Whatevs.

If you think 15% is "rare" I feel sorry for oyu because you have no clue about statistics.

You don't want to go there bro, chances you know more statistics than me are quite low, also 3 out of 133 is 2.25%. What I said already is that we use natural language in different ways, rare is not defined in math, I do consider something having 10% as rare, you don't, big woop, that is not math or statistics, just perception.

 

[Tanakh]

Actually, we can, because one of those 5 will naturally always get through the first ban phase. Add KotL to the list and its 2.

I fail to understand your parameters, SD and rubick are more likely to be there than any hero of your list (SD with a get out of jail card for anyone in your team mind you), dark seer, QoP, furion and syllabear are on the same pick rate, Io has a better performance than any other commonly picked hero. Why single out Mag, Nyx, Bat, LS, Gyro and KotL? Clock, Morph, TA or alch are more scary than half of those.

If your point is that there are around 10 heroes far better than the others, around 10 viable all around, 20 very situational and the rest are crap, I would agree. But that is not because DotA is inherently broken, such is the fate of almost any competitive e-sport, the slightly better choice gets magnified, we already experienced this in any fighting game or WoW arena outta the top of my head. Take treant or omni for example, they are 1 slight buff from being out of control and yet no one ever picks them.