Double Standards, anyone?

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

In almost every developed country, statistics indicate that men are by far the more reckless drivers and much more likely to get into accidents - particularly under the age of 25. Hence their insurance rates are higher. That's no double standard or unfair treatment, that's insurance companies doing the logical thing because statistically speaking a certain subset of the population is a bunch of fucktards behind the wheel.

Of course this doesn't apply to every young male - myself included, as I'm 23, don't speed, and have yet to be in an accident - but numbers don't lie.

you know, i don't think they account into fact alot of those things ( i understand its a number game, but..) most male drivers i know/have met, if they do end up crashing it's because they were hammered and most men, being bigger, can hold their alcohol better and usually are the ones who end up driving, especially when they are with the girlfriend at the time.

if you took crash ratings on just sober driving, i'm sure the numbers would be much more even.

(don't want to sound sexist on this) ever seen saudi arabia's crash ratings? they don't allow women to drive, and have the lowest amount of crashes in the world per year per amount of cars.

i think that says something itself..


the only double standard i hate when it's used is when a girl tries to bully a guy, and she ends up hitting him or something, and the guy forces her off of him and he immediately gets put as the bad guy in the situation, that fucking annoys me to no end (it didn't happen to me personally, but in school i saw it happen all the time, i saw a chick jump on this guys back one time choking him and he bent over to flip her off him and she ended up screaming her head off at him for doing that...*facepalm*)

 

[Something Amyss]

The point is that I am not a supremacist, as you have said. It just pisses me off how some women say they thrive to ensure equal rights, and still draw benefits from 'special treatment'.

It should be either, not both.

Transitionary phases are funny like that. It's hard to reconcile old and new views.

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't know what this country's coming to, but apparently women can wear a short skirt and no underpants and it's A-OK, but if a guy does that suddenly it's "horrifying".

...Hmph, fought for this country, can't even go commando in a skirt whenever I want to, thanks a lot Nixon.

I wouldn't blame Nixon. That was more a failure of Obama to uphold his campaign promises. Prior to that, all candidates were openly anti-men-going-commando-in-short-skirts.

 

[funguy2121]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

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That's me backslashing you. I don't see the big deal, I really dont

That would be anecdotal evidence, which isn't exactly the scientific bar. There are a shit-ton of guys who are abusive and controlling or always mock and put down their women.

I will give you some credit for being sincere and assume (until I have reason to do otherwise) that you aren't trying to gently assert that women hold a double standard, which would be a sweeping blanket statement and a stereotype and therefore useless in the public discourse/debate.

So, if I'm right, that means that you're asking if some women hold men to a double standard. I'd say it depends on what you call a woman. If you mean a biological female human over the age of 18 then yes, quite a few of them do it. When we respond in kind, it breeds more of this, and so on, and so on. Ever met an ignorant, racist-ass black person? They are different from ignorant, racist-ass white folk only in surface-level social preferences; they are otherwise indistinguishable in their world views and behavior. In other words, they are equally insufferable. If you hold what you consider to be women to a slightly higher standard, as I do, then I'd say no, women do not do that. Triflin' bitches do that. And there's a solution to the problem: don't fuck around with triflin' bitches, and go out and find yourself a real woman.

 

[Ulquiorra4sama]

My favorite?

I haven't really been faced with double standards between men and women. Only between kids and adults, and it almost always pissed me off.

 

[Project_Omega]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

\\\\\\\

That's me backslashing you. I don't see the big deal, I really dont

That would be anecdotal evidence, which isn't exactly the scientific bar. There are a shit-ton of guys who are abusive and controlling or always mock and put down their women.

I will give you some credit for being sincere and assume (until I have reason to do otherwise) that you aren't trying to gently assert that women hold a double standard, which would be a sweeping blanket statement and a stereotype and therefore useless in the public discourse/debate.

So, if I'm right, that means that you're asking if some women hold men to a double standard. I'd say it depends on what you call a woman. If you mean a biological female human over the age of 18 then yes, quite a few of them do it. When we respond in kind, it breeds more of this, and so on, and so on. Ever met an ignorant, racist-ass black person? They are different from ignorant, racist-ass white folk only in surface-level social preferences; they are otherwise indistinguishable in their world views and behavior. In other words, they are equally insufferable. If you hold what you consider to be women to a slightly higher standard, as I do, then I'd say no, women do not do that. Triflin' bitches do that. And there's a solution to the problem: don't fuck around with triflin' bitches, and go out and find yourself a real woman.

I tend to avoid putting my dick in crazy.

 

[Project_Omega]

So yeah, my fellow Escapists. Have you ever been faced with the 'double standard' when interacting with women in some shape or form?

My favorite one is when a man makes a mistake, he is whipped at by the woman for making it, to a ridiculous point, but when the woman does it, its all fine. If you try to point out that its actually her fault, you just get more backslash from her, and then it SOMEHOW gets pinned on YOU.

What is your favourite?

\\\\\\\

That's me backslashing you. I don't see the big deal, I really dont

That would be anecdotal evidence, which isn't exactly the scientific bar. There are a shit-ton of guys who are abusive and controlling or always mock and put down their women.

I will give you some credit for being sincere and assume (until I have reason to do otherwise) that you aren't trying to gently assert that women hold a double standard, which would be a sweeping blanket statement and a stereotype and therefore useless in the public discourse/debate.

So, if I'm right, that means that you're asking if some women hold men to a double standard. I'd say it depends on what you call a woman. If you mean a biological female human over the age of 18 then yes, quite a few of them do it. When we respond in kind, it breeds more of this, and so on, and so on. Ever met an ignorant, racist-ass black person? They are different from ignorant, racist-ass white folk only in surface-level social preferences; they are otherwise indistinguishable in their world views and behavior. In other words, they are equally insufferable. If you hold what you consider to be women to a slightly higher standard, as I do, then I'd say no, women do not do that. Triflin' bitches do that. And there's a solution to the problem: don't fuck around with triflin' bitches, and go out and find yourself a real woman.

I normally don't put my dick in crazy.

*Double post* Sorry guys, I thought my reply didnt post.

 

[Rawne1980]

Car insurance is based on the likely hood of you getting into an accident and what kind of car you drive. In Canada women pay less because they better and safer drivers than men. There never was any special treatment, insurance rates are 100% a numbers game.

In almost every developed country, statistics indicate that men are by far the more reckless drivers and much more likely to get into accidents - particularly under the age of 25. Hence their insurance rates are higher. That's no double standard or unfair treatment, that's insurance companies doing the logical thing because statistically speaking a certain subset of the population is a bunch of fucktards behind the wheel.

Don't know many girls like that, however based on the tone of your post sounds like someone pissed you off...

Blokes had been asking for equal insurance rates to women for a while here in the UK. And women have been demanding equal rights in all forms.

To make things more "even" they start charging women the same rates as men.

I'd gone round to my sisters for a coffee when it came on the news and she flew right into a rant. She didn't see how it was fair that she was expected to pay more just because she was a woman.

The point of my little rant wasn't aimed at insurance companies. I'm 31 years old and have been driving since I was 17, people seem to think i'm a moron and feel the need to explain things to me. I know how insurance works, or at least did until they changed it to charge equally.

My point was aimed at women that don't think it's fair they should pay an equal amount to men.

So my understanding of people around these forums is that they are in favour of equal rights for men and women correct?

So is that full equal rights or only equal rights when it suits them and not when they have to actually pay something equal to a man.

That would be a double standard then. That would be the point I was aiming at.

Equal rights have been demanded on jobs and pay and, in the past, the vote. So all equal rights seem based on something they receive, It just seems there is a general air of disapprovement from some women when that equal right means they have to pay a bit more for something.

Either they want full equal rights or they don't. I wish they would make their minds up.

 

[Kuroneko97]

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy

Not according to Twilight it isn't. Just wanted to say that.

I try my best not to make double standards. If some guy were to punch me, I'm not pissed because I'm a girl and he hit me. I'm pissed because he hit me. Although I guess like every person I'm prone to acting a little sexist.

 

[RelexCryo]

All the time. When a women has sex with a bunch of men, she's labeled a slut. But if a man does it, he's labeled as gay.

It's bullshit I tell you.

This is bullshit. It's a good example of discrimination against women.

Here is an example of discrimination against men: When women design fantasies to revolve around their own desires, where the female characters are what women want to be and the men are what women want them to be, like Twilight or Anne Rice novels, no one cares. (Aside from pointing out how stupid sparkly vampires are.) By contrast, when men do the same thing, designing fantasies where the male characters are what we want to be and the female characters are what we want them to be, not only is the stupidity of chainmail bikinis pointed out, we get accused of sexism, even if the female characters are intelligent, independent badasses.

All people write fantasies based on what they want, including beautiful/handsome depictions of the gender(s) they are attracted to. How hard is that to understand?

 

[Mandalore_15]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

That's the kind of mentality that got us into this situation. Sure, it seems on the surface that it's special treatment, but really everyone loses out because of this new law. Families will now have to spend more on car insurance that is rising anyway, as there was no way the insurance companies were going to lower men's insurance. All this results in is working and middle-class families getting squeezed for even more money, when everything is costing more and there are less public services than before.

Besides, even looking at it as special treatment in the first place is wrong. It isn't, because insurance companies have to calculate what broad sectors of people should pay based on statistics. If women statistically have less accidents, they pay less. It's just common sense. The ECJ have fucked with this and given insurance companies a free-ride to charge more for no good reason.

In short: a typical ECJ judgement. A "principled" ruling with absolutely no thought put into how it will actually work in application.

 

[Nathan Crumpler]

girls can reject guys without any consequense yet if a guy rejects a girl hes seen as a asshole

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy yet girls can stalk guys and its seen as cute

No, it's still creepy. She will probably not murder you, but the emotional trauma is still there.

 

[RelexCryo]

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

That's the kind of mentality that got us into this situation. Sure, it seems on the surface that it's special treatment, but really everyone loses out because of this new law. Families will now have to spend more on car insurance that is rising anyway, as there was no way the insurance companies were going to lower men's insurance. All this results in is working and middle-class families getting squeezed for even more money, when everything is costing more and there are less public services than before.

Besides, even looking at it as special treatment in the first place is wrong. It isn't, because insurance companies have to calculate what broad sectors of people should pay based on statistics. If women statistically have less accidents, they pay less. It's just common sense. The ECJ have fucked with this and given insurance companies a free-ride to charge more for no good reason.

In short: a typical ECJ judgement. A "principled" ruling with absolutely no thought put into how it will actually work in application.

Scroll up to Sleekit's comments at the top of the page. Men actually don't get into accidents more than women. Men are actually just a lot more likely to get a job driving for a living (for example, truckers).

 

[g3ko]

girls can reject guys without any consequense yet if a guy rejects a girl hes seen as a asshole

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy yet girls can stalk guys and its seen as cute

no....no that is still creepy

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

In almost every developed country, statistics indicate that men are by far the more reckless drivers and much more likely to get into accidents - particularly under the age of 25. Hence their insurance rates are higher. That's no double standard or unfair treatment, that's insurance companies doing the logical thing because statistically speaking a certain subset of the population is a bunch of fucktards behind the wheel.

Of course this doesn't apply to every young male - myself included, as I'm 23, don't speed, and have yet to be in an accident - but numbers don't lie.

I think the problem always was that women were so happy to base this on Stats here, but when you pull out a stat to a man's advantage it's sexist.

Such as statstically a female doctor will work far less in her lifetime than a male doctor, thus meaning that if we base NHS funding for medical degrees on statistics we should allocate more funding to men. But infact we are having to do the opposite because of 'positive discrimination'. So you see, whilst there is a perfectly good statistical reason for women paying less, it really does irk when it works only that way to the disadvantage of men.

Just because it is at the advantage of women does not mean it is at the disadvantage of men

when you have a closed group of people, and you allocate resources to advantage a certain portion of that grup, regardless of how you pick the advantaged group, the rest either don't get their share of the resources, or end up loosing the share they already had to advantage the group that gets more.
short version: YES IT DOES, and it aplies to any form of discrimination, be it positive or negative

edit: i think i screwed up the quote code
edit2: fixed

 

[funguy2121]

I tend to avoid putting my dick in crazy.

I laughed at this. Hard. It can be a cliche, fine, it's earned the right.

But crazy is so enticing! I actually love putting my dick in crazy. Or, at least, my dick loves it. The rest of me ostracizes my dick when I put it in crazy.

 

[Viral_Lola]

I had a male classmate tell me that girls don't have to work as hard because they could always marry for money and men couldn't.

All the time. When a women has sex with a bunch of men, she's labeled a slut. But if a man does it, he's labeled as gay.

It's bullshit I tell you.

That's for making my day. That was hilarious.

 

[artanis_neravar]

girls can reject guys without any consequense yet if a guy rejects a girl hes seen as a asshole

also guys cant stalk girls as its creepy yet girls can stalk guys and its seen as cute

no....no that is still creepy

For years in the UK women had cheaper car insurance.

Last year they had to pay the same as us men and they complained, and I quote, "why should we have to pay more just because we're women"....

I'm sorry ladies, you are paying the same as we've always paid now stick your special treatment up your arse.

In almost every developed country, statistics indicate that men are by far the more reckless drivers and much more likely to get into accidents - particularly under the age of 25. Hence their insurance rates are higher. That's no double standard or unfair treatment, that's insurance companies doing the logical thing because statistically speaking a certain subset of the population is a bunch of fucktards behind the wheel.

Of course this doesn't apply to every young male - myself included, as I'm 23, don't speed, and have yet to be in an accident - but numbers don't lie.

I think the problem always was that women were so happy to base this on Stats here, but when you pull out a stat to a man's advantage it's sexist.

Such as statstically a female doctor will work far less in her lifetime than a male doctor, thus meaning that if we base NHS funding for medical degrees on statistics we should allocate more funding to men. But infact we are having to do the opposite because of 'positive discrimination'. So you see, whilst there is a perfectly good statistical reason for women paying less, it really does irk when it works only that way to the disadvantage of men.

Just because it is at the advantage of women does not mean it is at the disadvantage of men

when you have a closed group of people, and you allocate resources to advantage a certain portion of that grup, regardless of how you pick the advantaged group, the rest either don't get their share of the resources, or end up loosing the share they already had to advantage the group that gets more.
short version: YES IT DOES, and it aplies to any form of discrimination, be it positive or negative

No, a woman having to pay less on her car insurance has absolutely no effect on how much a man pays. If women didn't drive and therefore didn't pay insurance, a mans insurance wouldn't be any less.

 

[Chemical Alia]

All the time. When a women has sex with a bunch of men, she's labeled a slut. But if a man does it, he's labeled as gay.

It's bullshit I tell you.

This is bullshit. It's a good example of discrimination against women.

Here is an example of discrimination against men: When women design fantasies to revolve around their own desires, where the female characters are what women want to be and the men are what women want them to be, like Twilight or Anne Rice novels, no one cares. (Aside from pointing out how stupid sparkly vampires are.) By contrast, when men do the same thing, designing fantasies where the male characters are what we want to be and the female characters are what we want them to be, not only is the stupidity of chainmail bikinis pointed out, we get accused of sexism, even if the female characters are intelligent, independent badasses.

All people write fantasies based on what they want, including beautiful/handsome depictions of the gender(s) they are attracted to. How hard is that to understand?

It sounds like you're referring to games. Games are not developed exclusively by men.

 

[Dr Snakeman]

All the time. When a women has sex with a bunch of men, she's labeled a slut. But if a man does it, he's labeled as gay.

It's bullshit I tell you.

And here I was thinking that this thread was completely pointless. But if it didn't exist, I wouldn't have gotten to read that gloriously snarky comment. So thanks for keeping this from being a waste of internet space.