Well, it allows me to make educated guesses about your likely race and gender based on that. Can't be 100% sure, of course, but definitely leaning one way.cypher-raige said:
Double Standards You Allow
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Well a scientific consensus vs a majority opinion. I'll agree with the majority of climate scientists despite not knowing every detail.
Oh and gender pay gaps between things like porn and modeling. Basically anything where the gender matters. But that's mostly because economics.
Oh and gender pay gaps between things like porn and modeling. Basically anything where the gender matters. But that's mostly because economics.
I don't really have double standards, what's good for the goose is good for the gander (spelling?). For better or worse.
Which reminds me of one i hate so much. Mothers. Don't dare saying anything bad about someones mother, but fathers are fair game. Also mothers are people too, if i can say " fuck the police" , then i should also be able to say " fuck mothers" . [small] and while we are at it children too[/small]
I thought double standards were when you judge others as in it's okay when certain people do it but not others.. If you are considering youself that's just hypocracy.Happiness Assassin said:
Which reminds me of one i hate so much. Mothers. Don't dare saying anything bad about someones mother, but fathers are fair game. Also mothers are people too, if i can say " fuck the police" , then i should also be able to say " fuck mothers" . [small] and while we are at it children too[/small]
Do you want motherfuckers? Because that's how you get motherfuckers.krazykidd said:
Resisting judging someone because of their disability but praising any achievement us "normals" can get as if it were something abnormal.
Wage gap, slut shamming, unequal representation in media, sexual harassment, people struggling to make abortion illegal, a movement where women are being told that it's her fault if she gets raped. Oh yeah, and the fear of being raped, even if you're in the armed forces.cypher-raige said:
Feminism is far from done.
That reminds me of my favorite George Carlin quote - "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?". Everyone is always going the "right" speed as far as they're concerned, and this can be heavily applied to life itself.RatRace123 said:
The Escapist's "news" team. Creates articles basing Fox News(and Fox only) for being biased, yet having an EXTREME biased themselves and flat out fabricating news stories.
Examples: The Tomodachi Life controversy, the "news" story about the Republican being shamed for liking role-playing, the AOL spending more than Google on net neutrality article, and the Gary Oldman article.
I allow this because most of the gaming news is reliable(compared to say IGN) and there are talented people here that keep me from leaving. There is also the forums that are pretty interesting. Like this one!
Examples: The Tomodachi Life controversy, the "news" story about the Republican being shamed for liking role-playing, the AOL spending more than Google on net neutrality article, and the Gary Oldman article.
I allow this because most of the gaming news is reliable(compared to say IGN) and there are talented people here that keep me from leaving. There is also the forums that are pretty interesting. Like this one!
Vault101 said:
Well no not really. MRA came about when people realized that men do in fact face issues in this world that are almost exclusive to men and feminism refused to even consider it. In fact many prominent figures who advocate for men are people who used to advocate for women. Hell I didn't even learn about MRA's until I saw a video of feminists protesting them. Imagine my surprise when I watched the conference they were protesting and it turned out to be something so tame that pretty much anyone could get behind.
Most people, including MRAs, do not think men are straight up oppressed. I would argue that nobody in western society is actually oppressed as a gender or class. I don't know where you get your information about them but everything I have seen come from them has been logical and solid. Sure you can find examples of extremism but thats no different then feminism and its not a representation of them as a whole. While I'm not an advocate of anyone or anything it takes a pretty strong bias to throw MRAs under the bus when most of the points they bring up are really good ones.
So yeah. Feminism and MRAs really are the same thing at this point. Single gender focused advocacy groups both of which are filled with absolute idiots and some really good ideas.
It's completely irrelevant what my race and gender is.thaluikhain said:
This is my problem with social justice. It becomes a hierarchy of victimhood where a gay black transgender female would be the ultimate victim and deserve the biggest say.
I'm not saying issues don't exist but there is more to life than race and gender and you will realise that once you stop attaching so much importance to it.
I really don't like double standards, a lot of people get angry at me for that because I don't let bullshit slide.
I suppose my big double standard is that if I consider someone a friend they tend to get much more leniency from me on the entire BS-O-Meter.
- At the bare bones both sides have legitimate concerns and issues.
- Both sides have a radical fringe.
- Both sides hate each other.
- The reasons both sides hate each other are generally due to strawmen.
- Both sides spread shitty 'facts' about based on highly questionable studies.
- Both sides are filled to the brim with slacktivists more interested in being outraged than actually doing anything worthwhile.
I suppose my big double standard is that if I consider someone a friend they tend to get much more leniency from me on the entire BS-O-Meter.
Feminists and MRAs are ridiculously similar, let's break it down:Vault101 said:
- At the bare bones both sides have legitimate concerns and issues.
- Both sides have a radical fringe.
- Both sides hate each other.
- The reasons both sides hate each other are generally due to strawmen.
- Both sides spread shitty 'facts' about based on highly questionable studies.
- Both sides are filled to the brim with slacktivists more interested in being outraged than actually doing anything worthwhile.
You know, this comparison could be argued for the KKK vs the Jews, ESPECIALLY up to this point. Do you find them to be similar as well? I doubt it.Ickorus said:
Oh, I forgot one:Zachary Amaranth said:
- Both have people that upon being called out on the bullshit rampant in their movement will use trick questions intended to trip up the recipient and prove them right.
Let me ask you a question in regards to your question:
What legitimate concerns do the KKK have?
Seriously, I got nothing but apparently you do.
Please for the love of god don't let this devolve into a feminism vs. MRA thread, think of the children!
Edit: No seriously, in the time it took me to type that there had been 2 more responses about MRA's vs. Feminism and nothing really on topic. It's important to you yes, but there are literally hundreds of threads about this.
OT: Performing badly at sports.
If a group of people I like mess up, it's "bad luck" "a bit of a dodgy set up" etc. etc. when people I don't like or myself do badly, it's their/my fault and they/I should feel bad.
Edit OT: (Just so the non-OT stuff doesn't swamp to OT stuff)
I see myself as a geek, yet I will look down on certain geeky activities with near hatred (not sure if double standard or table top gamer vs. larp thing)
Edit: No seriously, in the time it took me to type that there had been 2 more responses about MRA's vs. Feminism and nothing really on topic. It's important to you yes, but there are literally hundreds of threads about this.
OT: Performing badly at sports.
If a group of people I like mess up, it's "bad luck" "a bit of a dodgy set up" etc. etc. when people I don't like or myself do badly, it's their/my fault and they/I should feel bad.
Edit OT: (Just so the non-OT stuff doesn't swamp to OT stuff)
I see myself as a geek, yet I will look down on certain geeky activities with near hatred (not sure if double standard or table top gamer vs. larp thing)
Double standards have never helped out anyone without starting another issue for another person somewhere else. I dare say there is not a single instance where it has had a positive impact on society.msome people view it as protection from the evil masses however...
History has a way of circling around and people often forget that the mistakes, wrongdoings, and lies of yesterday become the problems of tomorrow when future generations realize how screwed they are.
History has a way of circling around and people often forget that the mistakes, wrongdoings, and lies of yesterday become the problems of tomorrow when future generations realize how screwed they are.
/sigh. Here we go again.erttheking said:
Wage Gap: 70% wage gap debunked years ago by the Consad report commissioned by the US dept. of labor: http://www.consad.com/index.php?page=an-analysis-of-reasons-for-the-disparity-in-wages-between-men-and-women
Slut Shaming: Done at least as much by women as men. General society on the other hand actually rewards "slutty" behavior. Rather lucrative career opportunities are available for women who choose to take advantage of this as well as potential fame. Society in fact seems very willing to reward women more for engaging in "slutty" behavior than it does to condemn it.
Unequal representation in XXXX: This is a natural outcome when you provide people with choice. The only way to change this would be to take choice away from people on both sides of this equation. I would not be so willing to argue for a quota system to replace our ability to make choices for ourselves. As for media in particular, women are rather a large market for the consumption of media which makes them complicit in any consequences brought about by them making the choice to consume certain media over others.
Sexual Harassment: Is Illegal. Full Stop. Nothing more can be done. Penalties are already draconian enough to compel most companies to hire legal specialists and enforce zero tolerance policies.
People struggling to make abortion illegal: The key word here is struggling. The Anti-abortion position is a dead end political ticket whose political usefulness is coming to an end. The numbers of people to whom this sounds like a good idea are dropping and will continue to. I will continue to be among the most vocal supporters for abortion. This is not even a strictly feminist issue as it does impact men as well.
A movement where women are being told it's her fault if she get's raped: If this is a matter of course, then that is repellant in the extreme. Where is this movement? Who are it's representatives? How large?
Family court bias, more likely to be a victim of crime (especially violent crime), more likely to be convicted, more likely to be murdered, more likely to die on the job, less likely to attend university / receive a degree, bias in the education system.erttheking said:
MRA is far from done...
Not that I identify as MRA or feminist, but the whole notion of anyone being oppressed in modern western society is patently absurd. Is it perfect? No, but perfect equality is a pipe dream that is fundamentally incompatible with the human condition. So long as there are ANY differences between people, there will be discrimination.
It seems people increasingly use -isms such as "racism" and "sexism" as reasons to excuse there personal failings. Didn't get the job? Must be sexism. Why am I making $30,000 a year in a dead end office job? Its because I am oppressed and the system is working against me. If people spent half the time they spent complaining on bettering themselves, they would probably find the "system" much less oppressive.
ONTOPIC: As for double standards, I agree, speeding is one that always gets me.
I can appreciate that men have to deal with crap that women don't. Which is why I never commented on anything regarding them, the point of my post was merely to say that feminism wasn't done. I never even brought up MRA.Reiper said:
And no offense but there are still major problems regarding the treatment of women in our society. Someone found some statistics that I wish I could find and have spent a good chunk of my time looking for, but in more red states sex education is abysmal, to the point where a lot of men and women think nothing of situations that can legally be defined as rape.
I was able to find a source that disagrees with this, so I think it goes without saying that whether it exists or not is, at the very least, debatable.Aramis Night said:
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income
That's because it's so heavily engrained into society. Plenty of women in the middle east heavily support sexist cultural norms in countries where they are present, last semester I even read a work written by a woman from one of those countries who talked about how while many women were against being forced to wear vales, just as many supported it. When people grow up in a country where less than what some people would call healthy attitudes are prevalent, they come to accept it, even if they are hurt by it. Not so much here in America (Which is all I can really speak for). Sure economic America loves sluts but moral America hates sluts. There's a pretty big divide here. Sure, plenty of people who are slutty can make money, but that comes at a price at a good chunk of the country hating them for being "immoral"
I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix it without taking away choice, mainly by making desires for better representation heard and supporting works that do it well. Like Fallout New Vegas. Female characters, ethnic characters, LGBT characters, and characters with mental disorders.
Yes it is illegal, but I'm not sure if we've reached the peak of what we can do. There's a lot more to stopping something than just saying it's illegal, an action won't stop just because it's illegal if the mindset behind it isn't gone, just look at Prohibition in America. The problem with sexual harassment is that a lot of times it gets swept under the carpet, mainly with flimsy excuses like "she was asking for it" or "if you didn't want it why didn't you do anything" when the woman was rooted to the spot with fear. Also I've heard people say that some people with the "boys will be boys" mindset don't tell their sons to keep their hands to themselves. We could work to fix that.
This is true, but the people who are fighting for it are still managing to due some serious damage, including making it extremely hard to get an abortion, having doctors give women false information about abortions to discourage them, and arranging kidnappings of women who were going to get abortions.
http://news.yahoo.com/scariest-anti-abortion-tactic-ever-kidnap-women-seek-231445252.html
Movement was a poor choice of word on my part. The point I was trying to make is that when a woman is raped she faces a very good chance of being blamed for it. One person on this very website even said something to the effect of "If a woman is stupid enough to get herself raped" and that's all I read before I clicked away in disgust. Universities in particular like to sweep it under the rug so that their image isn't hurt, and in the army superiors often take advantage of their position to sexually assault their juniors, getting away with it because they're friends with the right people (Although to be perfectly fair in the military this is a massive problem with men as well._
Firstly, no, nobody gets the biggest say (except with things that are about them personally).cypher-raige said:
Secondly, it's completely irrelevant, but you're not saying issues don't exist? Pick one. Either acknowledge that racism and sexism exist, or say that race and gender doesn't matter. You can't do both.