Aramis Night said:
erttheking said:
cypher-raige said:
Vault101 said:
Feminism came about in reponse to a very REAL inequality between men and women..which still exists in certain ways today (and afects men too)
MRA came about on the very shakey notion that men (straight white men more specifically) are somhow the opressed ones in our society
Feminism's job is largely done and has little value in modern society. MRA never has much value to begin with.
The best thing to do is to teach equality and equality of opportunity without the baggage of either group.
Wage gap, slut shamming, unequal representation in media, sexual harassment, people struggling to make abortion illegal, a movement where women are being told that it's her fault if she gets raped. Oh yeah, and the fear of being raped, even if you're in the armed forces.
Feminism is far from done.
/sigh. Here we go again.
Wage Gap: 70% wage gap debunked years ago by the Consad report commissioned by the US dept. of labor: http://www.consad.com/index.php?page=an-analysis-of-reasons-for-the-disparity-in-wages-between-men-and-women
Slut Shaming: Done at least as much by women as men. General society on the other hand actually rewards "slutty" behavior. Rather lucrative career opportunities are available for women who choose to take advantage of this as well as potential fame. Society in fact seems very willing to reward women more for engaging in "slutty" behavior than it does to condemn it.
Unequal representation in XXXX: This is a natural outcome when you provide people with choice. The only way to change this would be to take choice away from people on both sides of this equation. I would not be so willing to argue for a quota system to replace our ability to make choices for ourselves. As for media in particular, women are rather a large market for the consumption of media which makes them complicit in any consequences brought about by them making the choice to consume certain media over others.
Sexual Harassment: Is Illegal. Full Stop. Nothing more can be done. Penalties are already draconian enough to compel most companies to hire legal specialists and enforce zero tolerance policies.
People struggling to make abortion illegal: The key word here is struggling. The Anti-abortion position is a dead end political ticket whose political usefulness is coming to an end. The numbers of people to whom this sounds like a good idea are dropping and will continue to. I will continue to be among the most vocal supporters for abortion. This is not even a strictly feminist issue as it does impact men as well.
A movement where women are being told it's her fault if she get's raped: If this is a matter of course, then that is repellant in the extreme. Where is this movement? Who are it's representatives? How large?
I was able to find a source that disagrees with this, so I think it goes without saying that whether it exists or not is, at the very least, debatable.
http://www.catalyst.org/knowledge/womens-earnings-and-income
That's because it's so heavily engrained into society. Plenty of women in the middle east heavily support sexist cultural norms in countries where they are present, last semester I even read a work written by a woman from one of those countries who talked about how while many women were against being forced to wear vales, just as many supported it. When people grow up in a country where less than what some people would call healthy attitudes are prevalent, they come to accept it, even if they are hurt by it. Not so much here in America (Which is all I can really speak for). Sure economic America loves sluts but moral America hates sluts. There's a pretty big divide here. Sure, plenty of people who are slutty can make money, but that comes at a price at a good chunk of the country hating them for being "immoral"
I'm pretty sure there are ways to fix it without taking away choice, mainly by making desires for better representation heard and supporting works that do it well. Like Fallout New Vegas. Female characters, ethnic characters, LGBT characters, and characters with mental disorders.
Yes it is illegal, but I'm not sure if we've reached the peak of what we can do. There's a lot more to stopping something than just saying it's illegal, an action won't stop just because it's illegal if the mindset behind it isn't gone, just look at Prohibition in America. The problem with sexual harassment is that a lot of times it gets swept under the carpet, mainly with flimsy excuses like "she was asking for it" or "if you didn't want it why didn't you do anything" when the woman was rooted to the spot with fear. Also I've heard people say that some people with the "boys will be boys" mindset don't tell their sons to keep their hands to themselves. We could work to fix that.
This is true, but the people who are fighting for it are still managing to due some serious damage, including making it extremely hard to get an abortion, having doctors give women false information about abortions to discourage them, and arranging kidnappings of women who were going to get abortions.
http://news.yahoo.com/scariest-anti-abortion-tactic-ever-kidnap-women-seek-231445252.html
Movement was a poor choice of word on my part. The point I was trying to make is that when a woman is raped she faces a very good chance of being blamed for it. One person on this very website even said something to the effect of "If a woman is stupid enough to get herself raped" and that's all I read before I clicked away in disgust. Universities in particular like to sweep it under the rug so that their image isn't hurt, and in the army superiors often take advantage of their position to sexually assault their juniors, getting away with it because they're friends with the right people (Although to be perfectly fair in the military this is a massive problem with men as well._
