Downloading is a human right.

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

 

[Valkrex]

Piracy = stealing.


That's all there is to it. Don't care what a law says, if you take a product (or a copy of a product as the case may be with digital products) you are stealing and depriving the creator their hard earned profits.


I really don't get why people defend piracy. They are essentially defending theft, and are being smug self-righteous assholes at the same time.

Piracy DOES NOT help ANY industry. Just like breaking into a store and taking everything for free doesn't help. It actively harms the content creators.

It doesn't help any industry because the industries refuse to change with the times.

They need a new business model.

That they do. If the music industry can do it, so can the video game industry, and the free to play models that have been popping up, such as Planetside 2 and Blacklight: Retribution, are a step in the right direction.

 

[mduncan50]

It's amazing how many people actually think that it is their right to have whatever they want. It does not matter to them that they are stealing something that others worked hard for, because those people are not them. That is what depresses me the most about the piracy problem. It's not that a bunch of idiots are stealing, or that creativity is being sucked out of pretty much any entertainment medium because of these pricks, it's the fact that they just do not give a shit about anyone but themselves.

 

[ClockworkUniverse]

Remarkably sketcy

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Remember, kids, artists don't have to eat. They're powered by happy thoughts!

Anyway, the source on this is hilariously sketchy, and even it's only claiming that one fairly specific law related to copyright in Europe is getting struck down. So basically...nothing is happening.

 

[mduncan50]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Amazingly though, I'm sure you still expect to get paid for doing YOUR job, right? It may not be all about the money, but being able to eat and have a place to live are nice things to have.

 

[zehydra]

The problem is, people usually don't get paid for the work through game purchases. Somebody ELSE who then funds the artists/programmers etc gets paid.

Publishers are the ones at stake here, not gaming itself. Video games have already proved themselves to be a highly desired item. Even if one means to make money off of it is destroyed, someone else will come up with a different method.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Amazingly though, I'm sure you still expect to get paid for doing YOUR job, right? It may not be all about the money, but being able to eat and have a place to live are nice things to have.

Yes, but that still doesn't establish the claim that artists deserve to be paid. I could claim that I deserve to be paid for doing handstands in the middle of the street while people walk by.

 

[Yopaz]

I've never liked the idea of a "pirate party" people. Yes people should be able to share open-source software and such, but to proudly go around shouting "Hey! Artists don't deserve shit for their work if we can find other methods!" just seems childish to me. Yes the debate on piracy is multi-faceted, and let's not muddle piracy and open-source stuff, but I feel like people who enter the debate as "pro piracy" are not doing anyone any favors. It would be like someone who is pro-choice going in saying they are "pro fetus killing." There are better ways than that to present yourself.

I agree completly

another thing that irks me is "they should do it for free! for the art" <-hey...fuck you! of coarse every artist (should) do it for loce their art..BUT when it comes down to it, its work it requires time, effort, practice and dedication.No one expects you to do your job for free

Pfft, everyone knows artists don't require food or housing to live.

Everyone who thinks that artists should be doing it for the love of the art should try doing their own job without payment.

 

[mduncan50]

Piracy = stealing.


That's all there is to it. Don't care what a law says, if you take a product (or a copy of a product as the case may be with digital products) you are stealing and depriving the creator their hard earned profits.


I really don't get why people defend piracy. They are essentially defending theft, and are being smug self-righteous assholes at the same time.

Piracy DOES NOT help ANY industry. Just like breaking into a store and taking everything for free doesn't help. It actively harms the content creators.

It doesn't help any industry because the industries refuse to change with the times.

They need a new business model.

That they do. If the music industry can do it, so can the video game industry, and the free to play models that have been popping up, such as Planetside 2 and Blacklight: Retribution, are a step in the right direction.

The music industry is being annihilated, but thanks for chiming in. Actual musicians are doing okay still because people can make it big on Youtube or though word of mouth on the net and release their music for free, instead of relying on major labels, and still make huge amounts of money by touring just like they always have. What is a software developer going to do? Come to your house and program?

And yeah, I'd love to see a bank robber try to tell the judge that he's not guilty of theft, and that's it's the banks fault for not changing with the times, and just GIVING free money away. You entitled little jerks need a bit of a reality check.

 

[Herman Hedning's mace]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

While I agree that art should come from the soul (or whatever expression you want to use), they still need money to keep making music, movies or games. And I know that the original only gets a small cut from profit, but you know how much they get from piracy? Much less (nothing at all in fact) then if you would actually buy the product.

 

[zehydra]

It's amazing how many people actually think that it is their right to have whatever they want. It does not matter to them that they are stealing something that others worked hard for, because those people are not them. That is what depresses me the most about the piracy problem. It's not that a bunch of idiots are stealing, or that creativity is being sucked out of pretty much any entertainment medium because of these pricks, it's the fact that they just do not give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Piracy is not theft.

Want creativity in an entertainment industry? Get rid of publishers. There you go.

 

[mduncan50]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Amazingly though, I'm sure you still expect to get paid for doing YOUR job, right? It may not be all about the money, but being able to eat and have a place to live are nice things to have.

Yes, but that still doesn't establish the claim that artists deserve to be paid. I could claim that I deserve to be paid for doing handstands in the middle of the street while people walk by.

Except nobody wants you to do handstands. You obviously want the music/movie/game or you wouldn't have stolen it. If someone gave you a job doing handstands, then told you after you did it, that it was great, but they didn't feel like paying, you probably think that person was a bit of a douche.

 

[mduncan50]

It's amazing how many people actually think that it is their right to have whatever they want. It does not matter to them that they are stealing something that others worked hard for, because those people are not them. That is what depresses me the most about the piracy problem. It's not that a bunch of idiots are stealing, or that creativity is being sucked out of pretty much any entertainment medium because of these pricks, it's the fact that they just do not give a shit about anyone but themselves.

Piracy is not theft.

Want creativity in an entertainment industry? Get rid of publishers. There you go.

So someone else made something, and is selling that something, and you instead decide to take it without paying for it. How is that not theft? And how does getting rid of publishers help with creativity? You can't tell me they're not making great games, because if they sucked, you wouldn't bother to steal them.

 

[Vault101]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

your kidding right?

are YOU an artist? like I already said...its not always fun and it takes dedication, if you want to be at your best as an artist then you need time, the most valuable thing.Feeling burnt out by your day job may be nessicary somtimes but not good if your want to put out good work

exposure is great and if the art in question is in a place where it is for free then fine

but in cases when it is a product then its not right to take for free...YOU do not dictate what the artist should/does want, thats just arrogant

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Amazingly though, I'm sure you still expect to get paid for doing YOUR job, right? It may not be all about the money, but being able to eat and have a place to live are nice things to have.

Yes, but that still doesn't establish the claim that artists deserve to be paid. I could claim that I deserve to be paid for doing handstands in the middle of the street while people walk by.

Except nobody wants you to do handstands. You obviously want the music/movie/game or you wouldn't have stolen it. If someone gave you a job doing handstands, then told you after you did it, that it was great, but they didn't feel like paying, you probably think that person was a bit of a douche.

An artist does his work because others want him to do it? That's a fairly modern way of looking at it, and not an accurate one. What makes an artist is the production of artistic works, not in any added stipulation about his getting paid for them. In contrast to say, the merchant, whose essence lies in exchanging goods for money, or other goods.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

your kidding right?

are YOU an artist? like I already said...its not always fun and it takes dedication, if you want to be at your best as an artist then you need time, the most valuable thing.Feeling burnt out by your day job may be nessicary somtimes but not good if your want to put out good work

exposure is great and if the art in question is in a place where it is for free then fine

but in cases when it is a product then its not right to take for free...YOU do not dictate what the artist should/does want, thats just arrogant

Again, we're talking about artists. You're talking about a trader of some sort. Artists have not always produced art in return for material benefits and it is not outrageous to claim that the greatest artistic works in history were produced without any returns, nor the intention of any. It need not even be mentioned that artists who do their "work" for the money and find no reward in the production itself, are generally useless.

It says a lot about our modern era that an artist's role is narrowed down to a "job" in and of itself and therefore deserving of payment for services.

 

[mduncan50]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Amazingly though, I'm sure you still expect to get paid for doing YOUR job, right? It may not be all about the money, but being able to eat and have a place to live are nice things to have.

Yes, but that still doesn't establish the claim that artists deserve to be paid. I could claim that I deserve to be paid for doing handstands in the middle of the street while people walk by.

Except nobody wants you to do handstands. You obviously want the music/movie/game or you wouldn't have stolen it. If someone gave you a job doing handstands, then told you after you did it, that it was great, but they didn't feel like paying, you probably think that person was a bit of a douche.

An artist does his work because others want him to do it? That's a fairly modern way of looking at it, and not an accurate one. What makes an artist is the production of artistic works, not in any added stipulation about his getting paid for them. In contrast to say, the merchant, whose essence is in exchanging goods for money.

No the artist does not work because others want him to. he does it because he wants to. The art however is worthless unless someone wants it. Your absurd point of trying to compare painting, or sculpture to something like movies and games is pointless however. Leonardo only created David. Michelangelo painted the Sistine Chapel (and both were well compensated by the way). it takes HUNDREDS of people to make a high end game or movie. Are all of those people supposed to just do it for free and to make you happy? Are they supposed to send their children to college paid for in good feelings? I know it's hard thinking of anyone but yourself, but just try for a second.

 

[Vault101]

Again, we're talking about artists. You're talking about a trader of some sort. Artists have not always produced art in return for material benefits and it is not outrageous to claim that the greatest artistic works in history were produced without any returns, nor the intention of any. It need not even be mentioned that artists who do their "work" for the money and find no reward in the production itself, are generally useless.

It says a lot about our modern era that an artist's role is narrowed down to a "job" and therefore deserving of payment for services.

oh thats grat! fantastic....you celebrate the beauty of art AND get shit for free! everyone wins!/sarcasm

if somone puts out a game/book/painting is it so fucking hard to pay for it? can you not bring yourself to pay the admission fee to enter an art museum/gallery?

not having money or time hinders ones ability to do art...that and being able to eat is nice

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Well that's cool and all but people still deserve to be paid for their work.

If you're an artist "getting paid" is producing your work and having it appreciated. If it isn't and it's about the money, you're not what I'd call an "artist".

Well you're free to have that stupid opinion. But I would rather pay the artists so they can continue to work and produce more of the art I love.