At last a return to form after 2 meh episodes in row. Some character development but within the confines of a dramatic story, unlike last week. A few touches of HG Wells first men in them Moon and some strong visual references from Alien/s. To me it very much felt like a late 70s Dr Who story paired down to 47 minutes. I'm pleased after two dodgy weeks we actually got a story that worked. The trailer for next week looks like its going to be another good one. They just need Samuel L Jackson in the episode then it will be Mummies on a motherfucking train.
Dr Who: Kill the moon
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Last week I said that I would not watch for a while so I of cause ended up watching it anyway due to my GF wanting to watch it and me having nothing better to do. And I actually enjoyed it. The last 3 episodes have been so bad, focusing far too much on Clara but now we finally got an episode where not only was the Doctor actually on screen for the majority of the episode but it also had nothing to do with Clara's love life.
I am very excited for next week because from the teaser it looks like there will be no Clara at all. can't wait for that.
I am very excited for next week because from the teaser it looks like there will be no Clara at all. can't wait for that.
So many twists, and I actually love claras reaction at the end, it seems like many other companions wouldn't have called the doctor out for his actions as long as everything ended ok. Also, good characterisation of Danny done in about 5 minutes. 2 quid says the doctor accidentally visits Dannys "bad day"
When the episode started I almost turned off the TV after about 30 seconds of introductions because of one giant, annoying pain in the ass problem..
It's a fucking kid episode, something we were blessed not to really have in this season yet but I guess it had to come up sometime. She wouldn't be too bad if she was relevant to the plot in any way, she could have been interesting if she had a totally different opinion concerning the fate of the egg but no all she does is sit/stand there and pretty much say word for word what Clara says on the matter of blowing up the egg.
Thankfully the rest of the story was actually good so I was to just able to ignore her by the end of it. I really liked the concept that in the future, after going to and sending stuff into space so many times humanity as a whole just says "Eh, whatever" and completely gives up on the idea of going any further into space. Unless we discover some practical way to travel in space that is efficient and reliable I could really see that happening to us in real life.
Also a giant life-form that has been growing inside of our moon because it's actually an egg is a really cool idea. How could a species like that evolve? Did it start off on a planet and then learn to be able to fly in the vacuum in space like Superman? Did it begin life on a asteroid before it got to big and had to fly off? I have no idea but it's awesome, hopefully we get to see it again later on. Though the show cheated a bit when it suddenly give birth to new moon without any real explanation, not even any weird alien noises and then we get a shot of the group as they look on with wonder and a bit of disgust.
Looking forward to next week.
It's a fucking kid episode, something we were blessed not to really have in this season yet but I guess it had to come up sometime. She wouldn't be too bad if she was relevant to the plot in any way, she could have been interesting if she had a totally different opinion concerning the fate of the egg but no all she does is sit/stand there and pretty much say word for word what Clara says on the matter of blowing up the egg.
Thankfully the rest of the story was actually good so I was to just able to ignore her by the end of it. I really liked the concept that in the future, after going to and sending stuff into space so many times humanity as a whole just says "Eh, whatever" and completely gives up on the idea of going any further into space. Unless we discover some practical way to travel in space that is efficient and reliable I could really see that happening to us in real life.
Also a giant life-form that has been growing inside of our moon because it's actually an egg is a really cool idea. How could a species like that evolve? Did it start off on a planet and then learn to be able to fly in the vacuum in space like Superman? Did it begin life on a asteroid before it got to big and had to fly off? I have no idea but it's awesome, hopefully we get to see it again later on. Though the show cheated a bit when it suddenly give birth to new moon without any real explanation, not even any weird alien noises and then we get a shot of the group as they look on with wonder and a bit of disgust.
Looking forward to next week.
I really wanted to enjoy this episode. Creepy atmosphere, the character moments were great, but oh man the physics abuse.
HIGH TIDES EVERYWHERE AT ONCE.Breakdown said:
I'm not sure I liked this episode. All the bits that made no sense- Giant spiders that are apparently single celled? Aforementioned tidal problems? The moon gaining mass? "The moon isn't made of rock, it's made of eggshell"?
That aside... Well, I agreed with the astronaut woman. Sure, Clara's decision turned out all fine and happy, but that's just dumb luck. Killing the creature made way more sense- Given that destroying the moon would kill us all (but apparently not in Who-physics) I wouldn't risk it, and I'm not sure I liked how the astronaut was painted as some kind of heartless ***** for making the sensible option.
Season 8 of Doctor Who has been a death spiral into complete and utter shit. I saw it coming when I read the leaked screenplays. (I saw it coming years ago, frankly.)
Once upon a time, Doctor Who was an intelligent TV show. Now it's a clever, insufferably smug show riddled with heavy-handed messaging and an increasing disregard for basic story logic.
Every week, I'm all "maybe the next episode will be better", and then it proceeds to be just as bad, or WORSE. Moffat needs to be firmly slapped with a fish. We need a showrunner who can return the show to its pre-reboot glory, IMO.
Once upon a time, Doctor Who was an intelligent TV show. Now it's a clever, insufferably smug show riddled with heavy-handed messaging and an increasing disregard for basic story logic.
Every week, I'm all "maybe the next episode will be better", and then it proceeds to be just as bad, or WORSE. Moffat needs to be firmly slapped with a fish. We need a showrunner who can return the show to its pre-reboot glory, IMO.
I can't be the only one to think that Clara's tirade at the Doctor was entirely unfair to him. For once, he hands someone else the keys and "figure it out for themselves", and she gets mad at him. While the scene made me pissed off at her, I think it's probably one of the best character moments that Clara has ever had. It tells us more about her than it does the Doctor, and after being a wallflower for Matt Smith's run, I'm glad that we get to see the perfect little Impossible Girl isn't totally infallible.
She is a control freak, and she loves to boss people around to get her way. But she's taken the Doctor for granted, and she's come to rely on him just as much as he relies on her. She doesn't have the centuries of maturity to make earthshaking decisions on her own, something that the Doctor does every day. And so she feels that by not intervening, the Doctor abandoned her, and left her with the possibility of making the wrong choice. The fact that she could have made the wrong choice and killed the moon nearly broke her, because she didn't have the Doctor's safety bubble protecting her.
She's also been struck with Rose syndrome as well (I'm not the only special person anymore Waaaaah!), but at least this time around, we're not told to side with her above all else. I hated that we were supposed to sympathize with Rose's relationship problem with the doctor and his companions as if that excused her awful behavior to his other friends. With Clara though, she isn't flawless and hasn't been shown as flawless this season.
She is a control freak, and she loves to boss people around to get her way. But she's taken the Doctor for granted, and she's come to rely on him just as much as he relies on her. She doesn't have the centuries of maturity to make earthshaking decisions on her own, something that the Doctor does every day. And so she feels that by not intervening, the Doctor abandoned her, and left her with the possibility of making the wrong choice. The fact that she could have made the wrong choice and killed the moon nearly broke her, because she didn't have the Doctor's safety bubble protecting her.
She's also been struck with Rose syndrome as well (I'm not the only special person anymore Waaaaah!), but at least this time around, we're not told to side with her above all else. I hated that we were supposed to sympathize with Rose's relationship problem with the doctor and his companions as if that excused her awful behavior to his other friends. With Clara though, she isn't flawless and hasn't been shown as flawless this season.
The kid only existed so that Moffat could take the the bog standard lefty teacher position that you can only issue parise. Hardly surprising from a Labour supporting former teacher.Dalek Caan said:
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Ok, fine, I'm sorry I was mean to RTD. I thought you were over that for this series, you didn't have to keep telling me how much worse Dr Who could be. (Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that next week's is going to try to make this week's look good.)
Nothing about this episode made sense, or even pretended to. The Moon has always been an egg, but it just suddenly got more massive for no reason, for example.
Worse, is the DC comics style morality. If you ever have to kill someone, don't, just let the entire world be destroyed, because a miracle will always make that somehow be the right decision, and totally invalidate whatever half-arsed ethical point someone is trying to make.
Ok, fine, I'm sorry I was mean to RTD. I thought you were over that for this series, you didn't have to keep telling me how much worse Dr Who could be. (Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that next week's is going to try to make this week's look good.)
Nothing about this episode made sense, or even pretended to. The Moon has always been an egg, but it just suddenly got more massive for no reason, for example.
Worse, is the DC comics style morality. If you ever have to kill someone, don't, just let the entire world be destroyed, because a miracle will always make that somehow be the right decision, and totally invalidate whatever half-arsed ethical point someone is trying to make.
This entirely. I feel like this season has too much of "Clara shouts at Doctor" and "Clara is right, mean old man Capaldi is wrong". This season is supposed to be Capaldi's grand debut yet it just seems to be The Adventures of Clara (featuring the Doctor btw)Soviet Heavy said:
I thought that was Bad Wolf logic. Better to let the whole world die than save half of it... thankfully the plot gods save you from a disastrous outcome. Making the worst possible decision leads to the best result. YAY!thaluikhain said:...
Ok, fine, I'm sorry I was mean to RTD. I thought you were over that for this series, you didn't have to keep telling me how much worse Dr Who could be. (Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that next week's is going to try to make this week's look good.)
Nothing about this episode made sense, or even pretended to. The Moon has always been an egg, but it just suddenly got more massive for no reason, for example.
Worse, is the DC comics style morality. If you ever have to kill someone, don't, just let the entire world be destroyed, because a miracle will always make that somehow be the right decision, and totally invalidate whatever half-arsed ethical point someone is trying to make.
It wasn't a bad episode even if it did take massive liberties with science. Like if the Moon was an egg, you'd think it'd be steadily gaining mass over the coarse of several million years instead of suddenly gaining several million tons of mass overnight. I enjoyed the break from Clara's love life and it was good to see the Doctor more involved for a change. Although despite the build up to this episode I was still surprised when the Doctor abandoned Clara to face the impossible choice herself, and I can see why she called him out on it. Very intense episode.
the doctor has his odd moments but hes an obnoxious twat and its been getting worse.
the moon a giant egg that hatches in 2049 that no human or alien ever mentions ever. that instantly lays another "egg" thats bigger than it is.. cough cough bullshit cough cough.. stupid ass filler episode that made no sense
never thought i would be saying this but its almost lost me. maybe one or two eps left and its over for me.
is it just me or does jenna coleman seem to be disliking the role more and more this season, there has been a change in her between last and this season, like she doesnt get along with capaldi, or moffat or something.
the moon a giant egg that hatches in 2049 that no human or alien ever mentions ever. that instantly lays another "egg" thats bigger than it is.. cough cough bullshit cough cough.. stupid ass filler episode that made no sense
never thought i would be saying this but its almost lost me. maybe one or two eps left and its over for me.
is it just me or does jenna coleman seem to be disliking the role more and more this season, there has been a change in her between last and this season, like she doesnt get along with capaldi, or moffat or something.
I liked how the giant space monster waited until nobody was looking to lay the new egg.small said:
I thought the episode was complete drek. Aside from the previously mentioned butchering of basic science (and I know its a kids show but this was bordering on willful misinformation) the morality was also completely weird. Clara polls earth and it looks like that's going to be the moral crux of the episode, killing one to save many, something that would fit with the darker tone they have been awkwardly crowbarring into the season. But no Clara goes and makes the decision for the entire earth because I'm sure it will magically sort itself out and then goes and has a good whine at the doctor because he selfishly made her think for herself. This is a very strong contender for worst episode and really does highlight what an awful character Clara is.
canadamus_prime said:
M'lords I refer the court to the followingSordin said:
I submit to the learned gentleman that Dr Who is serial offender in the bad science stakes.
The science of it didn't bother me as much as it apparently did many other people here. Even if the premise of the moon being a giant egg is a little nuts.albino boo said:
In the case of the accused we are forced to admit that the defense has a solid point. But we would like to state that the prosecutions suspension of disbelief had been impeded at the time and so were of a more critical mindset. However does the defense have anything to say in regards to the flagrant moral silliness of the accused?albino boo said:
I honestly just feel that people who don't have ample amounts of suspension of disbelief should just not watch Dr. Who. You are obviously in pain, every week I see how much you suffer with very new episode. I don't want that for you, it makes me sad. It's like watching someone bashing his or her head against a wall over and over again. Please stop. The amount of Dr. Who episodes that make sense could probably be counted on two hands.
Anyhow, I personally loved the episode and thought it was the best of the season and an all time great. My favourite part is Clara ignoring humanity's will, eschewing democracy for what she knew was the right decision (and hell, I was right there with humanity). It was an odd message to say the least, but a decision to change humanity's course against their will made sense as a breaking point for her. I get what the Doctor said, he was showing her respect by giving her all that responsibility, but I also understand her perspective that it is one thing to be in a position of responsibility by circumstance (whereupon you either rise to the challenge or succumb to fear) and to be abandoned by someone who you thought was your friend.
Anyhow, I personally loved the episode and thought it was the best of the season and an all time great. My favourite part is Clara ignoring humanity's will, eschewing democracy for what she knew was the right decision (and hell, I was right there with humanity). It was an odd message to say the least, but a decision to change humanity's course against their will made sense as a breaking point for her. I get what the Doctor said, he was showing her respect by giving her all that responsibility, but I also understand her perspective that it is one thing to be in a position of responsibility by circumstance (whereupon you either rise to the challenge or succumb to fear) and to be abandoned by someone who you thought was your friend.