Draft possible to be reinstated.
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I googled and found nothing more recent than January...I call bullshit.Zombie_Fish said:
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=392766
This guy has been trying for years.
This makes it's rounds all the time. The draft will not be reinstated. It was shut down by an act of Congress. It would take another act of Congress with joint cooperation from the Senate and House to repeal the original act. Really, any Senator/Representative can kiss reelection goodbye if they press for a bill to reinstate the draft.
I can understand the non-Americans not understanding our law structure (it's not based on logic it's pretty much designed by a monkey with syphilis) but really, Americans, this stuff is taught in junior high. Stop gorging yourself on Monster and playing Halo. Pay attention to the world around you.
I can understand the non-Americans not understanding our law structure (it's not based on logic it's pretty much designed by a monkey with syphilis) but really, Americans, this stuff is taught in junior high. Stop gorging yourself on Monster and playing Halo. Pay attention to the world around you.
Wow, gullible and no grasp of the English language, I think you're safe from this one.Raregolddragon said:
If you call bullshit, then I believe it to be bullshit. Sounds like it's in America so I doubt it would affect me anyway.Sexual Harassment Panda said:
Ahhh, I love the patriotism.
All told though wars are never popular, and ultimatly nobody wants to go no matter the cause hence the existance of drafts.
To the best of my knowlege The Draft has never left, I'm 34 and had to sign up when I turned 18 and don't remember anything about it changing.
Out most recent "War" isn't a war, it's more a police action, and one of the reasons why we tapped our reserves is specifically to avoid having to put a draft in force.
One of the big criticisms that can be made of George Bush is that he ran the war wrong on a lot of levels, most of which I won't go into. One of his biggest mistakes though was not to make full use of the war powers he could have, and what happened with Iraq is sort of a case study in why those powers exist.
Basically in a time of Crisis the President can put the country on a war footing and suspend a lot of constitutional rights for the duration of conflict. Some good examples can be found in the Propaganda section of The Smithsonian (reolving around World War II). The goverment can pretty much quash criticism of itself and limit the information presented about the war for the duration in order to generate propaganda. World War II is a key example, Hitler was massively popular (International Man Of The Year) even in the US, but was demonized by the goverment as part of it's campaign to motivate people to fight the war, along with information being presented about things like Nazis making lampshades out of human flesh. Simply put it was all "us good, Nazis bad" 24/7 with no counterstatements disagreeing with this for the duration. People think World War II was a "clean" war but this is hardly the case, it's simply that nobody was allowed to promote information about American war crimes or atrocities. Oh sure there were plenty of pictures taken of what we did to the Volkssturm in the final days while fighting building to building to dig the Nazi elite out, but you have to really look to find stuff like that because it simply wasn't allowed to be published or broadcast during the duration.
A Draft wasn't really nessicary here, but to the best of my knowlege it's ALWAYS as possibility because no matter what without one there is never going to be enough people to fight a war, and in a SERIOUS war with a lot at stake we need to put as many people out as the country can sustain.
Many moons ago I *DO* remember legislation coming out that was intended to expand the list of who could be drafted. Allowing the draft to pull in people who are a bit older than was allowed, as well as allowing for the draft of women (more freely) and people with medical conditions that previously would have been excluded due to current treatments and advances in technology. The idea basically being that in such a time of crisis any condition which could be negotiated for correction in exchange for service would be treated and the person sent into combat. An example of this would be how some people have gotten the goverment to cover laser surgery on their eyes in exchange for their sevice as a pilot for X number of years.
How all that turned out I do not remember.
Honestly though, if they DID remove the Draft (and I haven't been following it too closely) simply the attitudes that we see here is exactly why it would have to be re-instated. We're just ending (hopefully) a very long war which like most long wars was unpopular. We are also doing so at a time of increasing crisis where while our military is coming home it might be needed to go out again (to say North Korea or Iran) at a moments notice if the political winds blow that way. Given anti-war sentiment and the way we've already exploited the reserves, if that crisis manifests we need to be ready to draft people and send them out to fight for the good of the nation. Nobody wants to do it, but in the end it has to be done.
Plus honestly, I really think a war/military service would be good for a lot of the youth today (hey I said "youth" when I'm only 34... kind of amusing how I think nowadays). All comments about wars being needed to deal with overpopulation aside, this isn't about me wanting to see people die (for any reason) I just think that those coming back alive would have undergone a much needed reality check and been forced to grow up.
Laugh if you want, but I think some of these Emo/Goth "oh darkness, death, and sorrow are soooo awesome" kids would undergo some much needed adjustment if they actually got to see real death and sorrow first hand. Then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with nearly everything having the word Dark/Death/Goth added to it with little skulls and vampire teeth to appeal to the youth culture.
All told though wars are never popular, and ultimatly nobody wants to go no matter the cause hence the existance of drafts.
To the best of my knowlege The Draft has never left, I'm 34 and had to sign up when I turned 18 and don't remember anything about it changing.
Out most recent "War" isn't a war, it's more a police action, and one of the reasons why we tapped our reserves is specifically to avoid having to put a draft in force.
One of the big criticisms that can be made of George Bush is that he ran the war wrong on a lot of levels, most of which I won't go into. One of his biggest mistakes though was not to make full use of the war powers he could have, and what happened with Iraq is sort of a case study in why those powers exist.
Basically in a time of Crisis the President can put the country on a war footing and suspend a lot of constitutional rights for the duration of conflict. Some good examples can be found in the Propaganda section of The Smithsonian (reolving around World War II). The goverment can pretty much quash criticism of itself and limit the information presented about the war for the duration in order to generate propaganda. World War II is a key example, Hitler was massively popular (International Man Of The Year) even in the US, but was demonized by the goverment as part of it's campaign to motivate people to fight the war, along with information being presented about things like Nazis making lampshades out of human flesh. Simply put it was all "us good, Nazis bad" 24/7 with no counterstatements disagreeing with this for the duration. People think World War II was a "clean" war but this is hardly the case, it's simply that nobody was allowed to promote information about American war crimes or atrocities. Oh sure there were plenty of pictures taken of what we did to the Volkssturm in the final days while fighting building to building to dig the Nazi elite out, but you have to really look to find stuff like that because it simply wasn't allowed to be published or broadcast during the duration.
A Draft wasn't really nessicary here, but to the best of my knowlege it's ALWAYS as possibility because no matter what without one there is never going to be enough people to fight a war, and in a SERIOUS war with a lot at stake we need to put as many people out as the country can sustain.
Many moons ago I *DO* remember legislation coming out that was intended to expand the list of who could be drafted. Allowing the draft to pull in people who are a bit older than was allowed, as well as allowing for the draft of women (more freely) and people with medical conditions that previously would have been excluded due to current treatments and advances in technology. The idea basically being that in such a time of crisis any condition which could be negotiated for correction in exchange for service would be treated and the person sent into combat. An example of this would be how some people have gotten the goverment to cover laser surgery on their eyes in exchange for their sevice as a pilot for X number of years.
How all that turned out I do not remember.
Honestly though, if they DID remove the Draft (and I haven't been following it too closely) simply the attitudes that we see here is exactly why it would have to be re-instated. We're just ending (hopefully) a very long war which like most long wars was unpopular. We are also doing so at a time of increasing crisis where while our military is coming home it might be needed to go out again (to say North Korea or Iran) at a moments notice if the political winds blow that way. Given anti-war sentiment and the way we've already exploited the reserves, if that crisis manifests we need to be ready to draft people and send them out to fight for the good of the nation. Nobody wants to do it, but in the end it has to be done.
Plus honestly, I really think a war/military service would be good for a lot of the youth today (hey I said "youth" when I'm only 34... kind of amusing how I think nowadays). All comments about wars being needed to deal with overpopulation aside, this isn't about me wanting to see people die (for any reason) I just think that those coming back alive would have undergone a much needed reality check and been forced to grow up.
Laugh if you want, but I think some of these Emo/Goth "oh darkness, death, and sorrow are soooo awesome" kids would undergo some much needed adjustment if they actually got to see real death and sorrow first hand. Then maybe we wouldn't have to deal with nearly everything having the word Dark/Death/Goth added to it with little skulls and vampire teeth to appeal to the youth culture.
i wouldn't mind if anyone fought any real wars against facists or actually bad people and not just shepards
Man, I'd like to come up with party with you Canadians. You guys are great!The Shade said:
Really though, I can't fathom that they would actually use the draft. Every male, at the age of 18 has to register but that doesn't mean they'll be called into service.
Plus, last time they tried a draft was Vietnam and no one wants to tempt fate and try that scenario again. And there's no reason for a draft--we're reducing numbers in the Middle East.
But, as to your question--they will perform a medical exam, just like they would for volunteers. So your friend would likely be safe.
Honestly, did you look at his approval ratings? By the end of his term he had the lowest approval rating ever. Nixon has better ratings then he did. Had he tried to use these wartime powers there would have been rioting as people's rights were stepped on. Freedom of the media and all that.Therumancer said:
Not using those powers was a good move by Bush. Unlike World War 2 people nowadays wouldn't take too kindly to these wartime powers being enacted. Not to mention that it wouldn't work anyway since the Internet would allow all critisims and reporting on what was really going on over there. Combine that with the number of foriegn reporters and enacting the powers you described would be political suicide and we'd have Kerry in office.
The military itself is opposed to a draft since the time commitment and the cost of training and equipment each solider is so much higher these days. Not to mention that conscripts would lower the overall morale level.
Besides, the only good conscripts are for is cannon fodder. Considering how many causulties US forces experienced in every major war it might be better to spend any draft money into training/equiping volunteers.
Considering how unpopular the draft is I doubt many politicions were willing to be associated with it.
This could happen.....ORRRRR....the fact that the government is conscripting people to fight in another unpopular war will lead to riots across the country. Seriously you yourself mentioned that the US has already exploited the reserves and the anti-war sentiment all around. Do you honestly think if the Government went "Okay, we're putting the draft back into effect" that people will get behind it and allow it to happen? That parents would let their kids go off to die?
This is also why people won't let the draft come back. It's main supporters come across as assholes. Honestly listen to yourself; you seem almost overjoyed at the prospect of a bunch of kids whose lifestyles you don't like being sent out to fight a war that they don't want to. If there's one thing youth don't like it's being told what's best for them. Irregardless of how you intended it that's all the youth will see.
*Shrugs*
No. They're not bringing it back anytime soon. They've already halted the Stop-Loss system (google it), so there's no way.
Of course, I'm in the Army right now, so I suppose I'm a bit biaSERVEYOURFUCKINGCOUNTRY!*cough*
Or you can run to Canada and be part of Princess Petunia's Royal Cavalry. And I'm serious. No shit, they actually have that. As if they didn't look wimpy enough alreadyDALLAIREDIDNOTHING*cough*
Thats all just my opinion, btw. And, like everything else on the web wide world, it means nothing XD.
No. They're not bringing it back anytime soon. They've already halted the Stop-Loss system (google it), so there's no way.
Of course, I'm in the Army right now, so I suppose I'm a bit biaSERVEYOURFUCKINGCOUNTRY!*cough*
Or you can run to Canada and be part of Princess Petunia's Royal Cavalry. And I'm serious. No shit, they actually have that. As if they didn't look wimpy enough alreadyDALLAIREDIDNOTHING*cough*
Thats all just my opinion, btw. And, like everything else on the web wide world, it means nothing XD.
I live in Ireland.
Go neutrality!
Besides....the country can't own more than, what? Two guns?? Our entire navy is something like three or four ships. XD
Go neutrality!
Besides....the country can't own more than, what? Two guns?? Our entire navy is something like three or four ships. XD
That's probably just as well. You wouldn't want to be upset because of certain realities of war, either.Therumancer said:
Oh, the irony. Still, very few Emo teenagers seem to have voted for the circus director twice. Apparently, upstanding, serious and allegedly well- respected and intelligent people sent your country to war instead. For a multitude of overwhelmingly good reasons purportedly having to do with preventing war, and the ultimate doom of mankind.
How that all turned out, I wish I could not remember.
This is certainly a heated topic which will continue to and is all ready generating a lot of debate on this thread. However, to be honest I don't think there's a lot of truth to this post. I'm not insulting the creator of this post, I have heard rumors of the draft being reinstated in the US as well, but that's exactly it, they are just RUMORS. With a Left leaning government and what looks to be the termination of operations in the Middle East coming within the next couple of years it's really something that isn't probable or plausible to occur.
CloseDraculafreak said:
it goes "O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee."
*taken directly from the Gov't of Canada's website*
I was just trying to bait some Canadians XD. Sorry if I sounded serious.RAMBO22 said:
Fun fact: The draft of the vietnam war actually procured less recruits than volunteers. The reason for this was explained as a sort of "oh shit they got him I'm next" response. I believe the actual ratio was 4 to 1, but I'm too lazy to go back to that wikipedia article on the Draft and check who said it (it was sourced, mind you).