Dragon Age 2... WTF???

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Carnagath

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Sigh... DA's story was really not that great. It was the most mediocre story I have seen in a Bioware game. "Gather an army" is not really an exciting enough reason to go from point A to point B on the minimap. It's boring. It feels like a chore. Stuff needs to be happening in games like that, exciting stuff, CONSTANTLY. They got that right with Mass Effect and Kotor, and of course Baldur's Gate 2 was the deepest and most atmospheric and immersive game they ever made. But DA flopped it, sorry. It was bland, it was generic and it was fully predictable from the first ten minutes of gameplay, and the different origins added very little. If they think that they can't handle telling a great story from a multitude of angles, then sticking to one character is the right thing to do.
 

Paragon Fury

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DA2 smacks of "Crap we made too many player decisions to account for in the first one, quick think of way to make a new game in the series that will let us completely ignore DA1 and DA:A."
 

tkioz

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I'll give it a chance, I'm a bit hesitant, but Bioware have earned a little leeway with me.
 

Dr. wonderful

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*I'm trying not to nerd-rage at the moment, so hold up*
Apart from the fact we had some news..New art direction and new character you seems ready to call it out as RUINED FOREVER!!!1 [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER], really? You want to play as driffrent races?

Then play the Dragon age: Pen and paper RPG [http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Age_(pen_and_paper_RPG)].
 

WaywardHaymaker

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I can get over it if the similarities to Mass Effect stop at having a fully voiced human protagonist. I'll learn to get over not being an elf if I still have everything else that Origins did right, because I do like the idea of a fully voiced protagonist just as much as I liked it for Mass Effect.

And, for the record, I'd bet you can still customize Hawke's appearance the same way you could in any other game. The only thing set in stone is the fact that he/she is human and fully voiced.
 

Slangeveld

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Doing my best to ignore the hate in your post, I disagree. Dragon Age can be interesting though yes, it would lose something, without its backstory.
 

Hawgh

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Loved Mass Effect & Mass Effect 2.

Concerning Dragon Age: The first game was subtitled Origins, and naturally, the origin of the main character was in the spotlight. The first expansion had a different subtitle, and a different focus.

That the next game treads on other ground than the first one, is not inherently against the game's concept. A great story can be told, even when you don't control all the initial variables.
 

crazy-j

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Ultimately i don't think they have released enough information about the game for us to start forming opinions about it. Right now i think we are just going to have to sit back and wait for the reveal trailer august 17th, then we'll see.
 

DustyDrB

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Nimzabaat said:
I do however, have to eat a bit of crow (does anyone still know what that means). I had stated earlier that I was 100% on my gut feelings. That is not true and I now regret saying that. I had high hopes for ME2 and was greatly disappointed. (I know there are people who liked ME2 better. I know there are people who didn't. I've gotten lots of comments on both sides and that argument won't be won by adding additional generic comments.) So I have been wrong once before and I hope I am wrong about DA2.
Cool points for the new guy. Welcome to the Escapist, by the way.
 

Chamomiles Davis

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Nimzabaat said:
So if you've read any of my posts
All 15 of them you superstar!

Nimzabaat said:
Just a note as well, if you don't like games just because they're popular so you can be cool and individual... it just shows people that you have poor taste
Like your generic ME bashing?

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(Don't mention ME2, the people that hated ME liked ME2 which means it failed as a sequel, but succeeded as a game, which isn't the same thing)
Isnt the mark of a successful sequel whether the people who liked the first one also like the second? And if it can also open itself up to an even wider audience then it was even MORE successful than expected? Because....I liked both and so did most people who played the first. There were certainly gripes but not too many people were offended enough to miss out on a still excellent gaming experience.

In short: how dare you!
 

Nimzabaat

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Too few posts, call it quality over spamming, my bad. (Work is slow, I guess I have time to respond to these).

Question: 10 out of 10 qualifies as bashing.... Have I finally met someone who standards are even higher than mine? Well if it will satisfy you then I rethink and give the original Mass Effect 11 out of 10! My rating system now goes to 11 just for you!

Question: Successful sequel drops to the $30 dollar bin after a six months... Okay shouldn't that say it all? I have enough support of my not-entirely-loving ME2 (8.5 out of 10 on the new rating system. Doesn't that say i do like the game?) but the fact that it's halved in price already should speak for itself. (Not quite the buy Alan Wake get Too Human free kind of speaking for itself, but it's something).

How dare I indeed! :p
 

JEBWrench

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YesConsiderably said:
I'm not worried about him being as pre-set of a character as Commander Shepard is my main point. This seems to be a major concern among some fans.
Actually, it sounds more like Fable to me. Which *readies flame shield* I can't stand, so I'm hoping my gut reaction is dead wrong.
 

Flamezdudes

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Not to mention it's coming out in just over a year after the original's release. Better not expect anything much from that, or you'll probably end up pretty disappointed.

Also, I'm pretty sure there are loads of people who liked both ME and ME2, me included.
Seriously. The game was finished by the end of 2008, BioWare just waited till 2009 to create the console versions so they were probably already working on DA2.
 

Flamezdudes

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ciortas1 said:
Not to mention it's coming out in just over a year after the original's release. Better not expect anything much from that, or you'll probably end up pretty disappointed.

Also, I'm pretty sure there are loads of people who liked both ME and ME2, me included.
EDIT: Sorry, double post.
 

imaloony

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Dude, losing the inventory system was one of the best things that happened to Mass Effect. Sorting through all those useless guns and mods was the worst. But the inventory was fine in Origins, and I'm sure they'll leave it alone for the most part.

Bioware has announced that you can play as a Female, so that's something, I guess.

I'm pleased that Hawke will be fully voiced though. I thought it really would have been awesome if Bioware got a crap load of voice actors to do all the Origins voices, but that wasn't to be.

I don't like the idea of a dialog wheel, I thought just selecting dialog worked perfectly in Origins.

They updated the graphics. Big whoop, I never thought Origins looked that bad anyways, people were really overreacting to that.

They say there's a new Combat system, which hopefully will be good, as one of the negative aspects of Origins was that the combat was a bit restrictive on consoles, seeing how it was a system design with PC in mind.

Overall, I look forward to it, but I hope Bioware doesn't lose sight of what made Origins so good. Honestly, I can barley tell myself. When I break everything down, Origins SHOULD have been a bad game, but it's currently one of my favorite games. I have no idea how I did it, but I think it has to do with the story and world interactions. Either way, I just hope Dragon Age 2 doesn't suck.
 

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Look, I don't want to sound like I'm just saying "They Changed It So It Suck!", so I'm going to try to relate my concerns in as clear a way as I can. Please bear with me. Note: Major Unmarked Spoilers will follow.

-I want to reprise my Warden. I spent an entire game getting to establish him, getting like him as a real character within the story. He has a shit ton of plot threads that aren't closed. An example of just one: I Romanced Morrigan, and vowed to find her after she left. It's left really open as to whether or not I even find her, much less what I find out about her motivations and reasoning, etc.

If Hawke were to come across her and resolve the plotline that way, well, that would just be the shittiest resolution to a story in BioWare history. The Morrigan Romance was my single favorite part of the game. It was agonizing, brutal and altogether awesome to behold the genius to took to craft that story. However, it leaves the door wide open for a major plot hook in the sequel, and with Flemeth being confirmed as returning, it probably will involve her, and that would be a really weak way to resolve a story that was only powerful because my character specifically had a personal stake in the resolution.

-I liked the way they handled the Warden character. He's a blank state, he's voiceless, and you are given a blank check to create him. That's what made the game awesome. It took very little effort to get caught in as the Warden character. Those of you didn't like it are probably just outside of DA:O target audience. With a little role-playing I was able to step into the shoes of the Warden and get personally invested in the game's outcome. The fact that some of the harder moral choices had me putting down the controller to consider all my options speaks volumes.

The fact that I have to play as Hawke, a human refugee established as becoming the Champion of Kirkwall at some point, with a preset voice, limits my ability to role-play significantly. The dialogue system and DA:O allowed me to imagine the tone and inflection with which my character would speak, thus allowing me to get immersed in him with little difficulty. I have no desire to play ME or ME2 simply because I have to play as a voiced Shepard. That's my personal preference.

The reason I liked DA:O was because it was the exact opposite of what they're announcing DA2 will be like.

-The Origins did add a lot to the story. The Origins were what made DA:O unique from other fantasy RPGs. It only lasted thirty minutes to an hour but it did so much more for getting me into the game. Instead of starting Cold Turkey, the Human Noble Origin introduced me to the style of politics in Ferelden, the local myths and histories, and made Arl Rendon Howe an actual villain instead of just some incidental boss.

Hawke having a predefined backstory is a step backwards. Instead of more or better Origins (again, the biggest draw of DA:O) they're making it more like any other RPG on the market.

-More importantly, as said above, my Warden's story isn't over yet. I mean consider the epilogues I got:

Alistair and Anora are married.
The Dwarves are becoming a powerhouse as a people.
The Circle is able to restart.
Andraste's Ashes are a holy site now.
Morrigan regrets having left me.

Cue Awakening, and I get:

No Architect means the Darkspawn continue like they always do.
I chase after Morrigan, and my "tale is not yet complete..."

Right. "Not yet complete..."

Then complete it.

I would have no problem with this DA2 if it didn't feel like they were just invalidating DA:O. Why would I bother with a game that has nothing I want? If they gave my Warden a conclusion, one that didn't rely on someone else doing the stuff he should be doing, then I would change my tune. I would embrace this as a new chapter in the setting. Albeit, a chapter in the form of an RPG style I don't like, but I wouldn't be against it. I might even be encouraged to pick it up.
 

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Nimzabaat said:
how do you know that hawke is male? or even human? in the original dragon age commercials they portrayed the warden as human but you could choose. mabye you dont get to be the warden in this game and they had to come up with something that the voice actors call the player
 

StarCecil

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brodie21 said:
Nimzabaat said:
how do you know that hawke is male? or even human? in the original dragon age commercials they portrayed the warden as human but you could choose. mabye you dont get to be the warden in this game and they had to come up with something that the voice actors call the player
They said Hawke is human. He can be either gender, but they refer to him as "he" for simplicity.