Dragon Age II Review

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Nesco Nomen

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Anyone noticed how sometimes you choose an answer,
NPC says something like "yeah I know what you mean" - but goes on about something completely different, and you're left like WTF?!

I thought that was really indie, and together with that 1 cave shows they ran out of money.
 

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Greg Tito said:
For that, I apologize. I do not apologize for loving a game that you had probably decided to hate even before reading my review.

Greg
That is a complete cop out and you know it. Dismissing people who call you out on something as being 'slanted from the start' is ridiculous. I went into Dragon Age 2 wanting to love it, and when I ran into the first few glaring flaws I shrugged them off... but the failure after failure piled too high for me to pretend. DA2 is not a good game.

You giving the game a perfect score just ruins my opinion of your journalistic integrity. No objective reviewer, no matter how much they love this game, should ignore the objective flaws. Reused environments, completely wrecked models (Darkspawn and Elves), a disjointed story, and a complete lack of choices that affect the outcome. These are flaws, and none of these things are mentioned even in passing so that they could be dismissed.
 

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You giving the game a perfect score just ruins my opinion of your journalistic integrity. No objective reviewer, no matter how much they love this game, should ignore the objective flaws. Reused environments, completely wrecked models (Darkspawn and Elves), a disjointed story, and a complete lack of choices that affect the outcome. These are flaws, and none of these things are mentioned even in passing so that they could be dismissed.
Quoted for truth, I don't mean to be so late to the party, but this review just irks my opinion of the escapist, almost as much as the Jimquisition.
 

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I am Sorry, but this is one of the worst reviews I watched ever.
Let's look at your points:
Improved Gameplay mechanics, Hitting the A- button again and again.
You know that Buttonsmashing isn't a good gameplay mechanic., right?

Improved Graphics, One of the best looking games of this Generation.
I'm Sorry are you blind, or is this the ONLY game you play this year. You aren't REALLY comparring THIS to Crysis 2, Witcher 2, Shogun 2 and all the other actually good looking games, are you?

Improved Dialog - System, Change Character however you want.
Good, bad and funny is NOT however I want, since there are never any other possibilities to answer. And you don't know how the "magicians" changed your tone? They just look what choice you choose the most and change between 3 different voice tones, it's not difficult at all.

Kirkwall, each Quarter is distinct.
Did we played the same game? The Enviroment couldn't be more repetitive, exspecialy (I probably wrote that wrong) the places of the Sidequests. It's Copy and Paste throughout the whole game.

I could mention some more points, I guess. But I just couldn't watch this incredible subjective "Review", you obviously made while you had your pink, shiny Fan - Glasses on, twice.
 

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I came back to this review thread to read the later posts, and wow what a turn-around. I guess it took a lot of frustration and some "look at this!" outrage to go from "its not that bad, i like it!" to "holy crap what were you thinking."

Makes me smile to see people come to their senses but what took so long? I understand people differing opinions. I really disliked the game but i still had some fun. It was clearly a step down and poorly put together but it was still Dragon Age and i don't regret buying it (maybe at the initial price, a little)

The biggest beef I had when the article was initially posted was the clear lack of serious though put into the extravagant and honestly careless words from the reviewer. I get it. Greg REALLY liked the game. However, not even my favorite games, or even the best reviewed games should be called flawless or perfect. That just doesn't happen when it comes to things like video games, there is always room for improvement.

A reviewers objective on an article (at least on a commerical website such as this anways) should be to inform the reader as objectively as possible. That clearly did not happen on this review. Not only did it not happen but it didnt happen to the point where people questions the real motives behind the review itself. Was the reviewer compensated in any way? Was it a joke? Those kinds of questions should never be seriously asked by a large percentage of the readers and this is one of the few articles on The Escapist where it has been posed seriously many times. That is a clear indication that something is wrong.

Personally, i know that many disagree and many have echoed this thought about the review itself but I really am disappointed by the editing staff and Greg's co-workers for not calling BS on this article. Its quite silly actually how positive it is. It may be the greatest troll ever or totally genuine but either way it shows a clear lack of genuineness and honesty when it comes to objective video game reviews. I hope everyone learned a lesson from this whole "scandal."
 

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YES!

After 8 months of reading, I've finally managed to go through all 15 pages of comments! Most interesting!

By the way, what's Dragon Age? All I could gather is that it's some sort of point-and-click adventure.
 

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Greg Tito said:
Wolf Devastator said:
It's so good, they were too busy playing the game to actually do a video review of it.
This.

In all seriousness, the video should be working now. Enjoy!

Greg
Pinnacle of RPG's? I hope to god you're not the dude doing the Skyrim review.
 

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Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
 

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Thoric485 said:
Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
You know that is just a silly assumption, right?

(blatant attempt to get this thread up to 500 comments)

Greg
 

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Greg Tito said:
Thoric485 said:
Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
You know that is just a silly assumption, right?

(blatant attempt to get this thread up to 500 comments)

Greg
Lol i will help :p

Just prove a lot of gamers have the opinion that what they like everyone will like and what they hate everyone should hate(aka my opinion is the only one that matters).

I am one of the few that enjoyed DA 2 more then DA:O. I put in a little below 60 hours in origins and over 150 in DA2. I found the characters in 2 more engaging(the banter was more fun (specially varric/merril and Isabel/Aveline)). It is not the best game out there but it doesn't deserve all the vomit that got spewed upon it.

The recent outrage when DA2 was in the 12 days of christmas games just shows how dumb and shortsighted part of the gaming community can be.
 

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Greg Tito said:
Thoric485 said:
Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
You know that is just a silly assumption, right?

(blatant attempt to get this thread up to 500 comments)

Greg
Best way to judge a gaming site is to look at the score they gave dragon age 2. Not even ign went this far.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Greg Tito said:
Thoric485 said:
Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
You know that is just a silly assumption, right?

(blatant attempt to get this thread up to 500 comments)

Greg
Best way to judge a gaming site is to look at the score they gave dragon age 2. Not even ign went this far.
If you like to judge people and sites solely based on their opinion on a single game, that's fine. The door is right over there mate though if you think its apparently such a big deal.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
ResonanceSD said:
Greg Tito said:
Thoric485 said:
Well, at least DA2 showed us which major gaming sites are paid off and/or simply incompetent.

All of them.
You know that is just a silly assumption, right?

(blatant attempt to get this thread up to 500 comments)

Greg
Best way to judge a gaming site is to look at the score they gave dragon age 2. Not even ign went this far.
If you like to judge people and sites solely based on their opinion on a single game, that's fine. The door is right over there mate though if you think its apparently such a big deal.
Don't take it personally, its just a benchmark I use.
 

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ResonanceSD said:
Don't take it personally, its just a benchmark I use.
I think the point is that is not a very good method of determining the quality of a site.
In other words, that's a shitty benchmark.
 

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Mount Everest is the tallest mountain in the world... It is the pinicle of tall mountains. Kilimanjaro is tall, and also usually looks better, but Everest is the tallest, and therefore holds the record. But people will still prefer Kilimanjaro, and will ignore the fact that everest exists.

In the future, however, the tectonic plates may shift, and create a new higher peak, and we will marvel at it, and it will now be the tallest in the world. And it will now be the pinnicle. There will still be people though who will argue that Kilimanjaro is the best, and ignore the existance of the other mountains.

There is nothing wrong with this, it is personal choice. We are quick to judge the mountains for the obvious factors, the height or the girth, without looking at the overall package. Kilimanjaro may not be as high, but it still holds the number one spot in many peples hearts, because it made the impression on them...

Now replace the mountain metaphore back to games. (No idea why the metaphore came into my head, but hey, when life gives you lemons, just roll with it!) DAII may not have the best graphics, or the best fighting, but it still won that number one slot in Gregs perception. No game is perfect, but that doesnt stop them being good to certain people.

Perfect scores are given to games that, at that time, are something special and stand out to the reviewer. If the reviewer enjoyed and gave a game a high score, and then the company improved the game, and released a sequel, then its obvious that the rame reviewer is going to enjoy that game too, and give it as just as high score. This is not being subjective, it is saying it how it is... They enjoy that game.

People are very quick to jump on the internet and look for anyone who has the same views as them. And they are also very quick to jump in and criticise decisions that they do not agree with, usually in an accusing and condecending manor, as though they could do better... yet they do not offer there own 'objective' review in return, no, they just tend to *****, and be aggressive.

Thats another thing, objectivity... There isn't objectivity in game reviews, because its a community driven thing. It's pinion based. When you read magazines you will tend to have a journalist who will review certain types of games, ie the same guy will tend to do all the sports games. This is because he is the one who plays them the most, and therefore has more of an understanding of the genre, and what makes a good game in that genre. That cuts the objectivity out of the game, as the human mind will naturally compare those games with other similar games. Giving a game a score as well, instantly compares the game to others, which came before, and thefore would have been a factor in the scoring of the new game, which means it cannot be objective...

Personally I read revies because I want to hear some honest opinions of the game. And if someone honestly has high opinions of the game, then so be it. I would then seek the opinions of someone who has the opposite view (and expresses themselves in the correct manner, not just poating bitchy comments on the original review) and compare and contrast those. That is how I would use a review to see if the game is right for me... which is something I have been doing since I started reading gaming magazines in 1999 when I was 11 and have carried on since then!

Greg, Thank you for your views, the game sounds positive, and I sounds worthy of checking out sometime...