DRAGON BALL SUPER

[Naldan]

So, 4 episodes in.

Nothing happened. The character developement is barely visible, if that is what they're going for.

I'm not exactly the biggest dragon ball fan so I might have a slightly different perspective on this than most people. For one, Dragon ball has always had a hilariously slow pace. I remember watching several episodes in a row and counting the amounts of episodes that reused the same shot of Goku's face. Four episodes of dragon ball can mean that in the story, 3 minutes have passed, a single relevant punch has been landed and some charactars have talked about. Four episodes is nothing. If you could stomach the slow pace and bizarre plot and setting of dragon ball before, you may need to be more patient.

I agree and know what you mean, but this certainly wasn't the case for general plot-pacing at the start of Z.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I've not seen it yet. I'm waiting till it gets localized as I can't stand subtitles or some of the Japanese voices. However as soon as I heard about these new movies and this new series I was immediately skeptical. I think even GT took the franchise beyond the point where it should've ended. They already had the characters exceeding the power of, what I had assumed, were the Dragon Ball Universe's gods (the Kais), but now they've introduced Beerus who actually has the title of "God" which throws that out the window. And incidentally Battle of Gods was actually pretty underwhelming as far as Dragon Ball Z movies go.
You know, Dragon Ball first started as a very loose adaptation of Journey to the West, now it's become something approaching Gurran Laugen levels of ridiculousness and I don't think I can buy into it anymore.

The synopsis isn't even bad. Toriyama pulled some good excuses out of his ass (or those asses who are anonymous) on why Beerus was unknown and unspoken of so far. Battle of Gods even is a movie I would rank among my top 3 anime movies, with the fanboy glasses on of course. But honestly, try it. Beerus is a sympathic dick, which is really good reflected in his character in my opinion.

Exactly that is also what I think is a major problem with Super. Minor spoilers of the first two episodes: Beerus is in it, since they recycle the movie with a major addition and basically a new arc-ending or twist not included in the movie. Basically another villain. But Beerus himself is a God of Destruction. So, you have this guy who is super, extremely powerful. And you have "his sidekick" (so to speak), a really flamboyant, nice guy. I really like both characters. But both a presented as villains. On paper; rightfully so! Both seem to be nearly hated and definitely feared among everyone who knows about them.

But both are really nice guys. I mean it, they are really sympathic, and that is even intentionally. They are real dicks, but more in a "chaotic neutral" kinda way. And this is established, in my opinion, in the first two episodes. These are not hyper assholes like Radditz. These are weird, powerful and strange guys, but you could imagine everybody being friends with them. So what is the point in them at the same time filling the role of being the major threat looming at the horizon? Really, there is none. There is, and you can see this left and right if you've seen ANY promo material of the series, another threat. But if you've seen even one picture, you will be assured that even that villain seems not to be that indifferent to Beerus... And Beerus and Whis have too much sympathic traits to have any resemblence in being any horrific threat. They are good characters, but as a threat... No. And the new villain is telling that he will be no different. Yes, I can say that just by looking at him. He as well has a "sidekick", and that points even more to being pretty much just a rival rather than an asshole.

Call me a doofus if I'm wrong when they're introduced. But normally and to my dipleasure, I'm -really- good at predicting storylines after a brief dive.

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

 

[Naldan]

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

For me, Beerus worked pretty well in the movie. His arc, or the movie, will get altered (heavily, supposedly) later on in the Super series, as I said. But yes, it doesn't work with about 120 minutes of futile "foreboding" so far.

If you think that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is ridiculous, then skip Fukkatsu no F. Personally, I have no problem with that. But it gets almost no introduction. It was *blub* and he turned into that form. No introduction whatsoever. It gets explained in one sentence. No flashback, no build-up, nothing. Climax is absent.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

For me, Beerus worked pretty well in the movie. His arc, or the movie, will get altered (heavily, supposedly) later on in the Super series, as I said. But yes, it doesn't work with about 120 minutes of futile "foreboding" so far.

If you think that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is ridiculous, then skip Fukkatsu no F. Personally, I have no problem with that. But it gets almost no introduction. It was *blub* and he turned into that form. No introduction whatsoever. It gets explained in one sentence. No flashback, no build-up, nothing. Climax is absent.

"Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?" Isn't that redundant? Couldn't they have come up with a better name for it? Regardless, if you mean to tell me that this new form gets no explanation or anything, then I'm seriously losing it. There's no explanation on how they achieved this new form? Nothing?

 

[Drizzitdude]

I'm going to give this show a chance. Give it...10 or 20 episodes.

I have a clone?!

 

[ArcaneGamer]

I'm going to give this show a chance. Give it...10 or 20 episodes.

I have a clone?!

Blame the Avatar system. I don't know how to work this!

 

[MiskWisk]

Well, now that that is done, I'mma go hang out in the Eye of Terror. I hear Slaanesh is a pretty cool guy.

Just avoid the Sigmarine sector where some namby pamby elf got used to plothole The Princ(sess) Of Excess into not existing in Warhammer Fantasy anymore.

Either way, Tzeentch throws better D&D nights, you haven't lived till you've tried one of his famous "Flaming, Changing Cocktails" (It's multicoloured alchohol and syrup which is permanently on fire)

Hmm, I'll keep that in mind. I'm not really a big fan of alcohol though. Still, when in chaos, do as daemons do I suppose.

 

[Politrukk]

So if Beerus is in it, does that mean it's a sequel to Battle of the Gods, or a tv adaptation of it?

They're adopting Battle of the gods and Return of F because the movies were so succesfull, after that it seems depending on how this plays out popularity wise that they might continue with new material.


The point is that at the moment they're locked to those arcs and those stories have already been told, it's just doing the stretching the plot thing that Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z have done at times (remember Gohan at school or all the scenes at Kami house?)
But the issue now is that we know what's coming up and what they're building into and obviously that's going to be a bit dissapointing cause we already know the results and the twists anyway.

 

[Politrukk]

I've not seen it yet. I'm waiting till it gets localized as I can't stand subtitles or some of the Japanese voices. However as soon as I heard about these new movies and this new series I was immediately skeptical. I think even GT took the franchise beyond the point where it should've ended. They already had the characters exceeding the power of, what I had assumed, were the Dragon Ball Universe's gods (the Kais), but now they've introduced Beerus who actually has the title of "God" which throws that out the window. And incidentally Battle of Gods was actually pretty underwhelming as far as Dragon Ball Z movies go.
You know, Dragon Ball first started as a very loose adaptation of Journey to the West, now it's become something approaching Gurran Laugen levels of ridiculousness and I don't think I can buy into it anymore.

The synopsis isn't even bad. Toriyama pulled some good excuses out of his ass (or those asses who are anonymous) on why Beerus was unknown and unspoken of so far. Battle of Gods even is a movie I would rank among my top 3 anime movies, with the fanboy glasses on of course. But honestly, try it. Beerus is a sympathic dick, which is really good reflected in his character in my opinion.

Exactly that is also what I think is a major problem with Super. Minor spoilers of the first two episodes: Beerus is in it, since they recycle the movie with a major addition and basically a new arc-ending or twist not included in the movie. Basically another villain. But Beerus himself is a God of Destruction. So, you have this guy who is super, extremely powerful. And you have "his sidekick" (so to speak), a really flamboyant, nice guy. I really like both characters. But both a presented as villains. On paper; rightfully so! Both seem to be nearly hated and definitely feared among everyone who knows about them.

But both are really nice guys. I mean it, they are really sympathic, and that is even intentionally. They are real dicks, but more in a "chaotic neutral" kinda way. And this is established, in my opinion, in the first two episodes. These are not hyper assholes like Radditz. These are weird, powerful and strange guys, but you could imagine everybody being friends with them. So what is the point in them at the same time filling the role of being the major threat looming at the horizon? Really, there is none. There is, and you can see this left and right if you've seen ANY promo material of the series, another threat. But if you've seen even one picture, you will be assured that even that villain seems not to be that indifferent to Beerus... And Beerus and Whis have too much sympathic traits to have any resemblence in being any horrific threat. They are good characters, but as a threat... No. And the new villain is telling that he will be no different. Yes, I can say that just by looking at him. He as well has a "sidekick", and that points even more to being pretty much just a rival rather than an asshole.

Call me a doofus if I'm wrong when they're introduced. But normally and to my dipleasure, I'm -really- good at predicting storylines after a brief dive.

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

Your quarrel with this is actually explained throughout the movie.

Yes Beerus is the lord of destruction, the opressor of all, but god damn Lord Beerus is bored, bored of being the strongest , bored of having nobody to entertain him.

Goku is basically, for the moment, Beerus's puppy, it's dragonball humor like it has always been but time may have jaded you to that fact.

You have this guy who at the flick of his wrist could destroy the planet and he nearly does so several times over silly/petty things but the food of earth and the challenge and entertainment Goku provides basically make him refrain from any sort of action.

Aside from that his companion seems to have things planned out.

Eventually

Spoiler

Beerus and his assistant train Goku and Vegeta because they're the only ones that pose any form of entertainment, after defeating Buu there had to be some ridiculous person that could up the ante and Beerus is exactly that, following up, Frieza/Freeza is that as well (his entire powerup being explained away by the fact that he was actually a lazy spoiled shit before)

It all actually makes some sense to be honest especially as it's returning more to the original style that Dragonball and Dragonball Z had.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

I've not seen it yet. I'm waiting till it gets localized as I can't stand subtitles or some of the Japanese voices. However as soon as I heard about these new movies and this new series I was immediately skeptical. I think even GT took the franchise beyond the point where it should've ended. They already had the characters exceeding the power of, what I had assumed, were the Dragon Ball Universe's gods (the Kais), but now they've introduced Beerus who actually has the title of "God" which throws that out the window. And incidentally Battle of Gods was actually pretty underwhelming as far as Dragon Ball Z movies go.
You know, Dragon Ball first started as a very loose adaptation of Journey to the West, now it's become something approaching Gurran Laugen levels of ridiculousness and I don't think I can buy into it anymore.

The synopsis isn't even bad. Toriyama pulled some good excuses out of his ass (or those asses who are anonymous) on why Beerus was unknown and unspoken of so far. Battle of Gods even is a movie I would rank among my top 3 anime movies, with the fanboy glasses on of course. But honestly, try it. Beerus is a sympathic dick, which is really good reflected in his character in my opinion.

Exactly that is also what I think is a major problem with Super. Minor spoilers of the first two episodes: Beerus is in it, since they recycle the movie with a major addition and basically a new arc-ending or twist not included in the movie. Basically another villain. But Beerus himself is a God of Destruction. So, you have this guy who is super, extremely powerful. And you have "his sidekick" (so to speak), a really flamboyant, nice guy. I really like both characters. But both a presented as villains. On paper; rightfully so! Both seem to be nearly hated and definitely feared among everyone who knows about them.

But both are really nice guys. I mean it, they are really sympathic, and that is even intentionally. They are real dicks, but more in a "chaotic neutral" kinda way. And this is established, in my opinion, in the first two episodes. These are not hyper assholes like Radditz. These are weird, powerful and strange guys, but you could imagine everybody being friends with them. So what is the point in them at the same time filling the role of being the major threat looming at the horizon? Really, there is none. There is, and you can see this left and right if you've seen ANY promo material of the series, another threat. But if you've seen even one picture, you will be assured that even that villain seems not to be that indifferent to Beerus... And Beerus and Whis have too much sympathic traits to have any resemblence in being any horrific threat. They are good characters, but as a threat... No. And the new villain is telling that he will be no different. Yes, I can say that just by looking at him. He as well has a "sidekick", and that points even more to being pretty much just a rival rather than an asshole.

Call me a doofus if I'm wrong when they're introduced. But normally and to my dipleasure, I'm -really- good at predicting storylines after a brief dive.

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

Defence of Beerus!

As far as the cosmology of Dragonball has shown, the Heavens really are a bit more comical than you might expect. I mean, King Yamma? The Ogres? King Kai? The Supreme Kai? The whole thing is a bit mis-shapen and weird, you're annoyed Beerus isn't a laughable stereotype of evil but somewhat sympathetic, but King Kai is a god who spends his time puttering around in a tiny car!

Beerus is based on a cat, he acts LIKE a cat, his personality and his job title are independent beings. He's a grumpy puss with a cosmic job and he goes around filling his quota. He only threatens Earth because Buu's an ass-hat about Pudding, but he's a real threat because it's Dragonball. Being an oddball doesn't mean you can't be incredibly dangerous.
Like Buu! Remember that? When he was the strongest character around and was a goddamn MARSHMALLOW who turned people into candy? Yeah Super Buu and Kid Buu were more dangerous because they were flat eviller and primal respectively but Majin Buu was still dangerous even if he did keep a puppy and Mr Satan as friends.

It makes TOTAL sense that the God of Destruction might be likeable because there's no reason he'd be EVIL, he's just filling in one of the roles of the Universe. The Kais create, Beerus or whoever the chubby version of him is, destroys. So while the creator gods are all sunglasses wearing folk with an affection for cars, the destruction gods sleep, act like cats and destroy arbitrarily.

Battle of Gods is probably my favourite DBZ movie because it isn't a random new enemy designed by a commitee who don't know what they're doing and gets killed off shortly after (unless they're popular then they come back as 'Metal' versions or 'Bio' versions because the Dragonballs only work on GOOD guys), it's because Goku goes through all the motions of a regular movie, the stakes are still raised (though maybe don't feel as desperate as usual), he gets a new power up and he... doesn't win.

Anyone else notice that?

Goku actually LOST a fight? Like, an IMPORTANT one? The Earth was only saved because Beerus didn't feel like destroying it after the food and party. It's probably the only time Goku's personality really had to evolve since he talks about how he feels inadequete having to rely on his friends for strength to beat Beerus, he has his own personal Vegeta moment when he feels his own lack of power, but sucked it up because his pride shouldn't matter more than saving people.
Y'know how often he gets introspective in Dragonball Z? FUCKING NEVER!

/rant closed

 

[Canadamus Prime]

I've not seen it yet. I'm waiting till it gets localized as I can't stand subtitles or some of the Japanese voices. However as soon as I heard about these new movies and this new series I was immediately skeptical. I think even GT took the franchise beyond the point where it should've ended. They already had the characters exceeding the power of, what I had assumed, were the Dragon Ball Universe's gods (the Kais), but now they've introduced Beerus who actually has the title of "God" which throws that out the window. And incidentally Battle of Gods was actually pretty underwhelming as far as Dragon Ball Z movies go.
You know, Dragon Ball first started as a very loose adaptation of Journey to the West, now it's become something approaching Gurran Laugen levels of ridiculousness and I don't think I can buy into it anymore.

The synopsis isn't even bad. Toriyama pulled some good excuses out of his ass (or those asses who are anonymous) on why Beerus was unknown and unspoken of so far. Battle of Gods even is a movie I would rank among my top 3 anime movies, with the fanboy glasses on of course. But honestly, try it. Beerus is a sympathic dick, which is really good reflected in his character in my opinion.

Exactly that is also what I think is a major problem with Super. Minor spoilers of the first two episodes: Beerus is in it, since they recycle the movie with a major addition and basically a new arc-ending or twist not included in the movie. Basically another villain. But Beerus himself is a God of Destruction. So, you have this guy who is super, extremely powerful. And you have "his sidekick" (so to speak), a really flamboyant, nice guy. I really like both characters. But both a presented as villains. On paper; rightfully so! Both seem to be nearly hated and definitely feared among everyone who knows about them.

But both are really nice guys. I mean it, they are really sympathic, and that is even intentionally. They are real dicks, but more in a "chaotic neutral" kinda way. And this is established, in my opinion, in the first two episodes. These are not hyper assholes like Radditz. These are weird, powerful and strange guys, but you could imagine everybody being friends with them. So what is the point in them at the same time filling the role of being the major threat looming at the horizon? Really, there is none. There is, and you can see this left and right if you've seen ANY promo material of the series, another threat. But if you've seen even one picture, you will be assured that even that villain seems not to be that indifferent to Beerus... And Beerus and Whis have too much sympathic traits to have any resemblence in being any horrific threat. They are good characters, but as a threat... No. And the new villain is telling that he will be no different. Yes, I can say that just by looking at him. He as well has a "sidekick", and that points even more to being pretty much just a rival rather than an asshole.

Call me a doofus if I'm wrong when they're introduced. But normally and to my dipleasure, I'm -really- good at predicting storylines after a brief dive.

I haven't actually seen much promo material for this new series. All I do know is that the first arc is essentially Battle of Gods stretched into several episodes instead of being 1 movie.
As for Beerus, that's actually one of the problems I had with him. For a guy called the "God of Destruction" he seemed like an awfully amiable guy. So there was a huge disconnect in the way everyone would act all afraid of him and yet he seemed rather pleasant. Well, pleasant for a God of Destruction anyway. As you said, at worst he would be Chaotic Neutral, if we're assigning DnD alignments. It just doesn't make sense for a guy called the God of Destruction to be so likable.
Another beef I have is that after downloading the latest DLC for Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and watching the promo for Fukkatsu no F I discover that they've introduced a new form beyond even the Super Saiyan God which I already thought was ridiculous. I'm just about ready to wash my hands of Dragon Ball.

Defence of Beerus!

As far as the cosmology of Dragonball has shown, the Heavens really are a bit more comical than you might expect. I mean, King Yamma? The Ogres? King Kai? The Supreme Kai? The whole thing is a bit mis-shapen and weird, you're annoyed Beerus isn't a laughable stereotype of evil but somewhat sympathetic, but King Kai is a god who spends his time puttering around in a tiny car!

Beerus is based on a cat, he acts LIKE a cat, his personality and his job title are independent beings. He's a grumpy puss with a cosmic job and he goes around filling his quota. He only threatens Earth because Buu's an ass-hat about Pudding, but he's a real threat because it's Dragonball. Being an oddball doesn't mean you can't be incredibly dangerous.
Like Buu! Remember that? When he was the strongest character around and was a goddamn MARSHMALLOW who turned people into candy? Yeah Super Buu and Kid Buu were more dangerous because they were flat eviller and primal respectively but Majin Buu was still dangerous even if he did keep a puppy and Mr Satan as friends.

It makes TOTAL sense that the God of Destruction might be likeable because there's no reason he'd be EVIL, he's just filling in one of the roles of the Universe. The Kais create, Beerus or whoever the chubby version of him is, destroys. So while the creator gods are all sunglasses wearing folk with an affection for cars, the destruction gods sleep, act like cats and destroy arbitrarily.

Battle of Gods is probably my favourite DBZ movie because it isn't a random new enemy designed by a commitee who don't know what they're doing and gets killed off shortly after (unless they're popular then they come back as 'Metal' versions or 'Bio' versions because the Dragonballs only work on GOOD guys), it's because Goku goes through all the motions of a regular movie, the stakes are still raised (though maybe don't feel as desperate as usual), he gets a new power up and he... doesn't win.

Anyone else notice that?

Goku actually LOST a fight? Like, an IMPORTANT one? The Earth was only saved because Beerus didn't feel like destroying it after the food and party. It's probably the only time Goku's personality really had to evolve since he talks about how he feels inadequete having to rely on his friends for strength to beat Beerus, he has his own personal Vegeta moment when he feels his own lack of power, but sucked it up because his pride shouldn't matter more than saving people.
Y'know how often he gets introspective in Dragonball Z? FUCKING NEVER!

/rant closed

FYI, I actually LIKE Beerus. I esp. liked him in Dragon Ball: Xenoverse. He is an entertaining character even if there's the disconnect between his title and his personality. I have a lot of issues with the newest additions the the Dragon Ball mythos, but Beerus is very low on the list.

 

[Drizzitdude]

I'm going to give this show a chance. Give it...10 or 20 episodes.

I have a clone?!

Blame the Avatar system. I don't know how to work this!

Oh god, now I have to actually double check when I scroll for my post. Is it really me? Is any of this real?

 

[ArcaneGamer]

I'm going to give this show a chance. Give it...10 or 20 episodes.

I have a clone?!

Blame the Avatar system. I don't know how to work this!

Oh god, now I have to actually double check when I scroll for my post. Is it really me? Is any of this real?

"Is this real life?" Has the world gone MAD?!

 

[ItouKaiji]

I'll just leave this here. They all come from the 5th episode. DBZ didn't have the biggest budget, but it never looked this shit. Goku was off model for the entire episode.

 

[Fappy]

I'll just leave this here. They all come from the 5th episode. DBZ didn't have the biggest budget, but it never looked this shit. Goku was off model for the entire episode.

Yeah, the animation for like 70% of episode 5 was pure ass. Since they typically fix shit animation on home video releases, I hope Funi gets that version to dub rather than the broadcast version. Apparently Toei just has too much talent spread out at the moment and they aren't allocating enough resources to Super. Let's hope this is just a bump in the road and not the start of a series-killing trend. Thankfully once Goku goes SSJ3 the animators start giving a shit, but it's still unacceptably poor quality.

If they were going to cut corners they should have just straight up lifted footage from BotG

 

[Drathnoxis]

I'm not surprised the new series sucks, Dragon Ball hasn't been any good since the original series ended. The only part of DBZ that was even tolerable was the Saiyan arc.

I'll just leave this here. They all come from the 5th episode. DBZ didn't have the biggest budget, but it never looked this shit. Goku was off model for the entire episode.

Holy crap, are you serious? I thought that was supposed to be some terrible fan comic, I wouldn't have even guessed that was Goku.

 

[Naldan]

It's the worst I've ever seen of a major release. It's Dragon Ball we're talking about here.

Well, time to catch up with GT...

How could they manage to let GT look attractive enough?

Anyway, I will take a break from it. It's terribad, the pacing is off, yada yada.

Really, if you thought any other part of Dragon Ball was bad, or ANY movie; you've seen nothing in comparison. For such a major release with movies that set records outside of Japan, or are at least respectable, it's a disgrace. It's not even the story or the now about 70 minutes of filler, nor the now TREMENDOUS inconsistencies regarding the strengths of the characters. You know, what was one part of the big hype surrounding Z.

No, it's now that *if* they show fighting scenes, they're shit. Combined with everything else, it drags down all of the franchise for me. I mean what's the point in speculating when it gets retconned? I know that I'm talking about Toriyama, but this is on a new level.

Maybe it redeems itself. But jeez, it looked better 20 years ago.

 

[Yuuki]

Spoiler

I'll just leave this here. They all come from the 5th episode. DBZ didn't have the biggest budget, but it never looked this shit. Goku was off model for the entire episode.

Oh sweet dear christ WTF is that, kill it with a kamehameha. I know still frames in anime often don't look too good, but that shit is almost as bad as Naruto Shippuden.

I mean you'd think we'd have come a long way since 90's and 480p thanks to technology, yet here we are...