#DumpStarWars The new hashtag boycott

[bartholen_v1legacy]

A 40K movie is a non-starter because of the millions of different groups that would be offended by it. And I doubt it would be done well enough to do justice to the franchise.

Actually when I think about it, 40k is a setting which would actually be very easy to make into an all-demographics-appeal movie. Hell, you could make a movie with just the Imperial Guard and you'd still have a wealth of nationalities (well, more like national stereotypes): vostroyans as Russians, tallarn as middle easterners, cadians as good ol' 'Murrca, Catachans as south American Rambos, Death Korps of Krieg as their obvious counterpart. Then you have Salamanders for your superpowered black people, the Eldar, Adepta Sororitas and female inquisitors for the female audience, Tau for Asians... the list goes on. Add in the fact that the Imperium is pretty lax about things like sexuality or gender as long as you fight FURR DE EMPRAH(!!!!!!!!), and you could make the main character an 8ft tall transgender black dude with heterochromia, and it wouldn't feel out of place in the setting at all. And they could all fight together against one of the around seven billion utterly alien, non-offensive threats the setting has.

OT: Feel free to. I'm gonna go see it, even if it turns out complete bland hogwash like Episode VII. If only because Felicity Jones. Helloooooooo nurse! Wa-wa-wee-wa! Honestly, just about the only thing I even care to remember about VII was how wa-wa-wee-wa Daisy Ridley was as well. Hell, I'll go see a new star wars every year if they keep up the line of gorgeous brunettes for me to ogle at. Yes, I'm a pig, and my sty's quite nice.

 

[Parasondox]

I watched about 2mins 30secs of that. Is it supposed to be parody, satire, or either of those things in the name of trolling?

Gavin McGinnis? No. He's pretty much a bargain bin version of Milo.

No seriously, Smithnikov. It's a parody. The tone, the structure, the wording, the fake anger. None of that is serious, right? If he is being seriously 100% serious the he has some personal deep issues going on and his hardcore followers need to not be so attracted to that kind of negativity. Bad for the mind and soul, sweetie.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

A 40K movie is a non-starter because of the millions of different groups that would be offended by it. And I doubt it would be done well enough to do justice to the franchise.

Actually when I think about it, 40k is a setting which would actually be very easy to make into an all-demographics-appeal movie. Hell, you could make a movie with just the Imperial Guard and you'd still have a wealth of nationalities (well, more like national stereotypes): vostroyans as Russians, tallarn as middle easterners, cadians as good ol' 'Murrca, Catachans as south American Rambos, Death Korps of Krieg as their obvious counterpart. Then you have Salamanders for your superpowered black people, the Eldar, Adepta Sororitas and female inquisitors for the female audience, Tau for Asians... the list goes on. Add in the fact that the Imperium is pretty lax about things like sexuality or gender as long as you fight FURR DE EMPRAH(!!!!!!!!), and you could make the main character an 8ft tall transgender black dude with heterochromia, and it wouldn't feel out of place in the setting at all. And they could all fight together against one of the around seven billion utterly alien, non-offensive threats the setting has.

OT: Feel free to. I'm gonna go see it, even if it turns out complete bland hogwash like Episode VII. If only because Felicity Jones. Wa-wa-wee-wa! Honestly, just about the only thing I even care to remember about VII was how wa-wa-wee-wa Daisy Ridley was as well. Hell, I'll go see a new star wars every year if they keep up the line of gorgeous brunettes for me to ogle at. Yes, I'm a pig, and my sty's quite nice.

Actually I found all three of the new leads in Episode VII to be quite likable, especially Poe Dameron - that guy is awesome. I do agree though, Daisy Ridley is just a delightful lady.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Then you have Salamanders for your superpowered black people, the Eldar, Adepta Sororitas and female inquisitors for the female audience, Tau for Asians...

A couple of things there, the Salamanders aren't "black" anymore...well, they are, but inhumanly coal black, they aren't "normal" dark skinned marines.

Also, having Asians depicted by aliens and other ethnicities by humans seems a bit odd.

And you can have female guard, don't need to stick Inquisitors, SoBs or aliens in.

But if you want diversity, you could just have a single squad of Deathwatch, arbites, or Storm Troopers, you'd get lots of different planets represented there. Or guard from a diverse planet, of course. Deathwatch have to be male, no restrictions otherwise.

 

[TimeLord]

I didn't want to see it anyway so meh

But you could stick it to the man in new and interesting ways!

 

[Jux]

And butthurt little hypocrites continue to have opinions that they think matters.

I'll buy ten tickets to make up for them.

And this people, is the sort of behavior we can blame for having a Star Wars movie every year, until we're sick of the franchise and it sucks.

...Kyuubi? It was a joke. Chill. Out.

(Also I liked the Force Awakens and I don't mind that Star Wars is still going, sue me)

I'll probably see it a few times, not even joking. Not because a bunch of whiney babies on the internet are crying about strong female leads and multicultural good guy teams, but just because I really, really like star wars. Thin skinned bigots crying is just icing on the cake.

 

[Jux]

It's a play-by-play of 1938 Germany. And considering their major opponents were exhausted or defeated, why else would they build a planet cracker? Got to keep that military on a total war standing.

In the EU (now legacy), there was actually a reason given for Palpatine's obsession with super weapons (DS I & II, the sun crusher, galaxy gun, the Tarkin, world smashers, and arguably the Eclipse and Sovereign class capital ships could be included as well). It was revealed he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and was planning on really using those weapons to fight them, but it kinda feels like a silly post hoc justification.

 

[Zontar]

I watched about 2mins 30secs of that. Is it supposed to be parody, satire, or either of those things in the name of trolling?

Gavin McGinnis? No. He's pretty much a bargain bin version of Milo.

No seriously, Smithnikov. It's a parody. The tone, the structure, the wording, the fake anger. None of that is serious, right? If he is being seriously 100% serious the he has some personal deep issues going on and his hardcore followers need to not be so attracted to that kind of negativity. Bad for the mind and soul, sweetie.

Americans really need to learn not to take Gavin McGinnis too seriously. Saying he's a discount Milo isn't accurate, Milo sometimes does actually say something serious. Gavin is a meme, and intentionally so. Case in point [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7yIPuA7zCU]. He's basically a Canadian John Steward if John Steward was right leaning.

Unrelated, even if the boycott had been serious, it seems odd it would be over Disney making something trash and not, well, it being obviously trash.


I mean let's be honest, the marketing had people claiming it's the best Star Wars since "A New Hope", which is pretty damn impossible to believe.

A Disney movie, made in 2016 for the international market as a means of selling toys. Being better then the prequels of TFA? Sure. Being better then Jed? Unlikely. Being better then A New Hope? Really pushing it. Being better then Empire? That's crossing the lines of plausibility.

I was always more of a Star Trek and Stargate guy anyway.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

It's a play-by-play of 1938 Germany. And considering their major opponents were exhausted or defeated, why else would they build a planet cracker? Got to keep that military on a total war standing.

In the EU (now legacy), there was actually a reason given for Palpatine's obsession with super weapons (DS I & II, the sun crusher, galaxy gun, the Tarkin, world smashers, and arguably the Eclipse and Sovereign class capital ships could be included as well). It was revealed he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and was planning on really using those weapons to fight them, but it kinda feels like a silly post hoc justification.

Yeah, there was a fair bit of "the Empire was actually right" stuff floating around the EU. It's a good chunk of the reason why I like that the EU got jettisoned.

 

[Thaluikhain]

It's a play-by-play of 1938 Germany. And considering their major opponents were exhausted or defeated, why else would they build a planet cracker? Got to keep that military on a total war standing.

In the EU (now legacy), there was actually a reason given for Palpatine's obsession with super weapons (DS I & II, the sun crusher, galaxy gun, the Tarkin, world smashers, and arguably the Eclipse and Sovereign class capital ships could be included as well). It was revealed he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and was planning on really using those weapons to fight them, but it kinda feels like a silly post hoc justification.

Yeah, there was a fair bit of "the Empire was actually right" stuff floating around the EU. It's a good chunk of the reason why I like that the EU got jettisoned.

http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/674.html

I mean let's be honest, the marketing had people claiming it's the best Star Wars since "A New Hope", which is pretty damn impossible to believe.

A Disney movie, made in 2016 for the international market as a means of selling toys. Being better then the prequels of TFA? Sure. Being better then Jed? Unlikely. Being better then A New Hope? Really pushing it. Being better then Empire? That's crossing the lines of plausibility.

They could be right...from a certain point of view.

 

[Bob_McMillan]

Funny you should post that, cause that's been my major gripe with Rogue 1's trailers, and most likly the movie itself. WHERE ARE ALL THE FREAKING ALIENS!? Disney's cramming in every race of human under the sun for this, but is SEVERELY lacking in one of the best parts of Star Wars, the aliens!

To heck with more humies, give me more Xenos! Those are more interesting!

I think in the extra TV shots they have way more aliens. Are we ever going to get alien main characters? Probs not.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

It's a play-by-play of 1938 Germany. And considering their major opponents were exhausted or defeated, why else would they build a planet cracker? Got to keep that military on a total war standing.

In the EU (now legacy), there was actually a reason given for Palpatine's obsession with super weapons (DS I & II, the sun crusher, galaxy gun, the Tarkin, world smashers, and arguably the Eclipse and Sovereign class capital ships could be included as well). It was revealed he knew the Yuuzhan Vong were coming and was planning on really using those weapons to fight them, but it kinda feels like a silly post hoc justification.

Yeah, there was a fair bit of "the Empire was actually right" stuff floating around the EU. It's a good chunk of the reason why I like that the EU got jettisoned.

You both kind of missed the part where Han basically drug that idea behind the shed and shot it in the back of the head.

"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up. Now that's what the Empire would have done."

Basically, the whole "Empire was Right" mentality is only with the Imperial Remnants from the old EU, and the fans reading it.

Edit: Also, do you REALLY want to go dumping on the old EU when the new stuff had stuff like THIS almost right out the gate?

Spoiler

(Never gonna get over that one. Mon Calimari Head on Grevious' body.)

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

No seriously, Smithnikov. It's a parody. The tone, the structure, the wording, the fake anger. None of that is serious, right? If he is being seriously 100% serious the he has some personal deep issues going on and his hardcore followers need to not be so attracted to that kind of negativity. Bad for the mind and soul, sweetie.

Welcome to the world we live in. No, he's serious, and I think he and his followers believe his negativity is a GOOD thing.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Americans really need to learn not to take Gavin McGinnis too seriously. Saying he's a discount Milo isn't accurate, Milo sometimes does actually say something serious. Gavin is a meme, and intentionally so. Case in point [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7yIPuA7zCU]. He's basically a Canadian John Steward if John Steward was right leaning.

How does this prove he's not serious? I'v eheard Micheal Savage do worse, and noone accuses him of parodying.

 

[happyninja42]

Dont defend it.

I'll defend it if I feel like it.

Humans are boring. Plus its Star Wars.

And? That doesn't change the practicality of having people in ridiculously elaborate costumes, trying to do extreme physical actions doesn't work well. Hell the original movies, the stormtroopers, just guys in armor and a helmet, were famous for not being able to see shit while they were on set. And you want a person in a costume as big and bulky as a mascot's outfit to do the same? And speaking of mascots, have you seen how goofy and silly mascots look when they do, or try to do elaborate physical actions? It looks unrealistic in the extreme. The same will happen with the people in the movie. That's just a reality that fans, no matter how rabidly fanatical they are, have to deal with.

Sure, I get it in Star Trek which is primarily TV shows with much smaller budgets, but Star Wars, especially now should be more than capable of dealing with this well.

Part of the fun of Sci-Fi is aliens. I have been watching Star Trek TNG lately, and when an alien looking alien shows up, its usually better for it. Same for Star Wars.

Sure, aliens are great, but aliens just for the sake of aliens isn't interesting. And I guarantee there will be plenty of aliens in scenes that don't involve very high paced, technical physical acting. A political scene, or military strategy scene, sure, the Rebellion will probably be 50/50. But when you've got actors running around a set, with explosions going off at specific locations, and they have to be able to know their marks, and navigate safely to avoid injury, no, they're not going to put the guy in the rubber suit with a field of vision of like 5% of normal in that situation. It's called liability, and practicality.

 

[the December King]

Dont defend it.

I'll defend it if I feel like it.

Humans are boring. Plus its Star Wars.

And? That doesn't change the practicality of having people in ridiculously elaborate costumes, trying to do extreme physical actions doesn't work well. Hell the original movies, the stormtroopers, just guys in armor and a helmet, were famous for not being able to see shit while they were on set. And you want a person in a costume as big and bulky as a mascot's outfit to do the same? And speaking of mascots, have you seen how goofy and silly mascots look when they do, or try to do elaborate physical actions? It looks unrealistic in the extreme. The same will happen with the people in the movie. That's just a reality that fans, no matter how rabidly fanatical they are, have to deal with.

Sure, I get it in Star Trek which is primarily TV shows with much smaller budgets, but Star Wars, especially now should be more than capable of dealing with this well.

Part of the fun of Sci-Fi is aliens. I have been watching Star Trek TNG lately, and when an alien looking alien shows up, its usually better for it. Same for Star Wars.

Sure, aliens are great, but aliens just for the sake of aliens isn't interesting. And I guarantee there will be plenty of aliens in scenes that don't involve very high paced, technical physical acting. A political scene, or military strategy scene, sure, the Rebellion will probably be 50/50. But when you've got actors running around a set, with explosions going off at specific locations, and they have to be able to know their marks, and navigate safely to avoid injury, no, they're not going to put the guy in the rubber suit with a field of vision of like 5% of normal in that situation. It's called liability, and practicality.

I understand what you're saying. This is where CG can really shine, if used well. I mean, the Planet of the Apes movies worked well in that regard (human and cg non-human combat- it felt solid and meaty).

I'd rather have more aliens kicking all kinds of ass, myself. I mean, the aliens for aliens sake argument is all fine and good, but I don't want to have to buy into the fact that of all possible shapes and forms, it's human beings from the 20th century that are the best at fighting.

 

[Frankster]

The score of 7.9 is kind of worrying, considering how the voters overhype big new releases. I remember The Force Awakens was at like an 8.6.

It's now 7.6 :S
Sigh, for a minute i was naive and figured movie aggregate reviews weren't like metacritic and might actually meant something. Then i remembered what reality we live in. If just this thread is any indicator, tons of people are no doubt planning to go watch the film multiple times just to stick it to what some idiot on twitter said regardless if said film is actually any good, so i'm going to assume the user (and even some critic) reviews are currently in a tug of war between people reviewing the film 1-2/10 and 9-10/10 depending on their position in the political spectrum. Maybe in 6 months once people stopped decided to fight proxy political cultural wars...

Ditto'd. If this is some kind of grand culture war, and winning it means seeing a Star Wars film twice at the cinema? I'm in.

Wow someone even literally said that... I'm fucking done.

 

[happyninja42]

I understand what you're saying. This is where CG can really shine, if used well. I mean, the Planet of the Apes movies worked well in that regard (human and cg non-human combat- it felt solid and meaty).

I'd rather have more aliens kicking all kinds of ass, myself. I mean, the aliens for aliens sake argument is all fine and good, but I don't want to have to buy into the fact that of all possible shapes and forms, it's human beings from the 20th century that are the best at fighting.

I'm personally fine with CGI characters, though when it comes to Star Wars, that's got it's own baggage. SO many fans gave Lucas an ass reaming about all the CGI. Bitching and moaning for YEARS about how they should've just used practical effects. Because the CGI stuff looks fake, and it made the movies look like shit and thus suck. Personally I didn't have a problem with it, but I'm apparently way more accepting and forgiving of CGI than about 99% of nerddom.

That was in fact, one of the biggest selling points for a lot of fans about Force Awakens. "They're not using a lot of CGI! They're going old school and using practical effects! Maybe it won't suck like the prequels did!" Etc etc. And when a lot of reviews came out about Awakens, a lot of people praised the use of practical effects over abundant CGI. And Rogue One is definitely trying to ride that same wave of fan credibility. So you again come back to the question of practicality in an action film. So again you come back to "it's easier and safer to have the actors who are actively running between set explosions, to not be hindered in any way, instead of tossing people in costumes that almost completely block their senses and limit their mobility.

 

[Darth Rosenberg]

Gavin McGinnis? No. He's pretty much a bargain bin version of Milo.

Assuming you're not throwing back to a Peter Molyneux project... Ah, fair enough. That YT channel keeps popping up now and again, and so if they're hosting stuff like that, unironically, then I'll be sure to continue to not give them views or traffic.

Wow someone even literally said that... I'm fucking done.

You, um, did realise I was taking the piss, right? Seeing a film twice to fight a culture war, and all?

 

[Saelune]

Dont defend it.

I'll defend it if I feel like it.

Humans are boring. Plus its Star Wars.

And? That doesn't change the practicality of having people in ridiculously elaborate costumes, trying to do extreme physical actions doesn't work well. Hell the original movies, the stormtroopers, just guys in armor and a helmet, were famous for not being able to see shit while they were on set. And you want a person in a costume as big and bulky as a mascot's outfit to do the same? And speaking of mascots, have you seen how goofy and silly mascots look when they do, or try to do elaborate physical actions? It looks unrealistic in the extreme. The same will happen with the people in the movie. That's just a reality that fans, no matter how rabidly fanatical they are, have to deal with.

Sure, I get it in Star Trek which is primarily TV shows with much smaller budgets, but Star Wars, especially now should be more than capable of dealing with this well.

Part of the fun of Sci-Fi is aliens. I have been watching Star Trek TNG lately, and when an alien looking alien shows up, its usually better for it. Same for Star Wars.

Sure, aliens are great, but aliens just for the sake of aliens isn't interesting. And I guarantee there will be plenty of aliens in scenes that don't involve very high paced, technical physical acting. A political scene, or military strategy scene, sure, the Rebellion will probably be 50/50. But when you've got actors running around a set, with explosions going off at specific locations, and they have to be able to know their marks, and navigate safely to avoid injury, no, they're not going to put the guy in the rubber suit with a field of vision of like 5% of normal in that situation. It's called liability, and practicality.