E3 Keynote Speaker Says Non-Christians Will Burn In Hell

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Arbre said:
Love is an emotion any normal human can feel.
You don't have to put love to trials, according to scientific standards to verify its existence, since we come with it by default, anyone can feel it, and it has obviously nothing to do with a belief whatsoever.
I mean, Cheeze, just drop the point. I know you like stretching discussions, but this is really getting absurd.
Sorry, I agree with Cheeze; how can you deny something purely on the basis that it might not be there? Measure Love for me with your Science and THEN you can decide whether it exists or is some form of Belief.
You have an irrational belief system built around Science, so that just makes you another Theist. Science not only has been proven wrong on occasions (Brontosaurus, Cryptozoology, Even Gravity), has started a lot of wars and still can't explain certain things; even things it's made up itself.

Why do Supercooled Liquids display Anti-Gravity?

Or are you gonna use the old "Can God create a rock so massive that he can't lift it?"?
 

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Arbre said:
Ultrajoe said:
Arbre said:
I don't recall the E3 being a christian meeting.
you shouldn't, because if you'd read the damn article he wasn't saying these things at E3...

if you suckle the medias teat like a baby, i'm going to treat you like a child.
Well first I like teats.
Secondly, my point is that since the E3 is not supposed to be a christian convention of any sort, there's that governor guy who's basically going to be talking to a vast room full of people already listed on that charter flight to Hell, because they don't share his beliefs. Cool eh?
I think the E3 staff could have picked a better figure rather that this fuckhead. But hey! his hairdo is top class.
So you think because this man has beliefs and thoughts other than those concerned with gaming he is ineligible to speak at E3? In a completely unrelated matter he speaks on a completely different issue and now he's a fuckhead? It is possible (stay with me here) that at E3, the man will give a perfectly reasonable speech and not mention faith at all? he might *gasp* have interests other than those he's suddenly being berated for!

Or he might speak like a moose and waste all of our time, in either case calling the man a fuckhead is a little premature.

And don't dodge my initial comment, you obviously jumped into this thread ready to lay about with your opinions before actually reading the article itself, don't judge a thread by its cover so you can play crusader.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Arbre said:
Love is an emotion any normal human can feel.
You don't have to put love to trials, according to scientific standards to verify its existence, since we come with it by default, anyone can feel it, and it has obviously nothing to do with a belief whatsoever.
I mean, Cheeze, just drop the point. I know you like stretching discussions, but this is really getting absurd.
Sorry, I agree with Cheeze; how can you deny something purely on the basis that it might not be there?
Because I want proof that it's there. Don't you get it?
Otherwise, I could claim any stupid thing, even stuff you wouldn't like to hear about your family for example, then claim I'm right, after getting sure that you cannot observe it and voila.

Measure Love for me with your Science and THEN you can decide whether it exists or is some form of Belief.
I don't have to put love under the scrutiny of science to show that it exists.
Everyone can feel love, just as much as nearly everyone can feel pain, even if those two things are slightly different. We are born with them (of course, there are some defects here and there, but that's not the point).

You have an irrational belief system built around Science, so that just makes you another Theist.
No, I think you don't really understand what science is about.

Science not only has been proven wrong on occasions (Brontosaurus, Cryptozoology, Even Gravity), has started a lot of wars and still can't explain certain things; even things it's made up itself.
And?

Why do Supercooled Liquids display Anti-Gravity?
Why is our genotype so close to that of chimps?

Or are you gonna use the old "Can God create a rock so massive that he can't lift it?"?
My back hurts, so he won't have to push himself too hard.



Ultrajoe said:
So you think because this man has beliefs and thoughts other than those concerned with gaming he is ineligible to speak at E3? In a completely unrelated matter he speaks on a completely different issue and now he's a fuckhead?
The "fuckhead" comment was formulated in regards to his absurd belief of eternal torment for anyone who doesn't agree with him and millions of other same minded people.
Allow me to suggest a slight modification:
A million fuckheads.
Yes, much better. :)

It is possible (stay with me here) that at E3, the man will give a perfectly reasonable speech and not mention faith at all? he might *gasp* have interests other than those he's suddenly being berated for!
It's also possible that someone with more insightful things to say about games could have been chosen for the event.
Not to say that the likes of him have repeatedly proven to be capable of the most dumbfounding conservative and ignorant comments regarding video games, so my hopes are not high, and at best, you can expect the most random and useless speech ever.
 
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Arbre said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Sorry, I agree with Cheeze; how can you deny something purely on the basis that it might not be there?
Because I want proof that it's there. Don't you get it?
Like Electrons? Evolution? Black Holes? The Air?
Otherwise, I could claim any stupid thing, even stuff you wouldn't like to hear about your family for example, then claim I'm right, after getting sure that you cannot observe it and voila.
Yesssss...that's what Freedom of Expression is all about. Claim something about my family in public though, and you'd better make sure you can back it up.
That's called Flaming.
Measure Love for me with your Science and THEN you can decide whether it exists or is some form of Belief.
I don't have to put love under the scrutiny of science to show that it exists.
Everyone can feel love, just as much as nearly everyone can feel pain, even if those two things are slightly different. We are born with them (of course, there are some defects here and there, but that's not the point).
But I want proof that it's there. Don't you get it? Subjective sensations are not an Objective proof.
You have an irrational belief system built around Science, so that just makes you another Theist.
No, I think you don't really understand what science is about.
Yes, Science is "knowledge attained through study or practice," or "knowledge covering general truths of the operation of general laws, esp. as obtained and tested through scientific method [and] concerned with the physical world."

Which doesn't include love.
Science not only has been proven wrong on occasions (Brontosaurus, Cryptozoology, Even Gravity), has started a lot of wars and still can't explain certain things; even things it's made up itself.
And?
And therefore is still a theoreum, and as at fault as any theism.
Why do Supercooled Liquids display Anti-Gravity?
Why is our genotype so close to that of chimps?
Well, because the genotype is a measurement of genetic typing that bases itself on the genetic characteristics passed on from the parent organism to the child organism; it would be a radical departure from basic measurements if a creature that resembles us in gait, reproduction, genus, and other significant measurements (including mental states like cruelty and cannibalism) was not close to Homo Sapien. Don't see what that's got to do with anything though, given the genotype is a measurement based on the characteristics of finding similarities between organisms that resemble one another.
Or are you gonna use the old "Can God create a rock so massive that he can't lift it?"?
My back hurts, so he won't have to push himself too hard.
Uhuh...right.
 

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Well, if you could spend less time spamming, and putting more thoughts into your posts, maybe we could get somewhere.
But I think I'll leave it there.
 

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AAARGH! WGAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!!

Too many quote towers, too much debate over the incorrect point. The point is: his holy supreme majesty, reverend Selfrighteousbastardness the third, governor of Texas, declared that most of us are going to hell. While the idea of hell does not upset me, as long as there's plenty of good conversation, I want your opinions ON THE TOPIC.