EA: Some Gamers Just Don't Like Change
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Honestly, I used to really love EA. around the time they released mass effect, dragon age, and mirrors edge they were my favorite company. I argued for them when they released dragon age 2 (i still think its a great game) and i loved ME2. however. thier argument "gamers just dislike change" is an arrogant view.
I like change, but i prefer convenience more. Im a PC gamer. I have over 200 games on steam - because its easy to use, i buy all my games on there. however, EA is holding some games off steam to try to force people to use origin. EA throws in multiplayer where no one asked or needed multiplayer for (mass effect, dead space, probably dragon age) in the guise of "people want this" but really, its so they have an excuse for online passes. its not about not wanting change. change is good. its about EA doing every little thing they can to nickle and dime consumers, and they are killing bioware, viceral, and other great studios in the process.
EA is a whore. but one that denies that she is sucking dick for money.
I like change, but i prefer convenience more. Im a PC gamer. I have over 200 games on steam - because its easy to use, i buy all my games on there. however, EA is holding some games off steam to try to force people to use origin. EA throws in multiplayer where no one asked or needed multiplayer for (mass effect, dead space, probably dragon age) in the guise of "people want this" but really, its so they have an excuse for online passes. its not about not wanting change. change is good. its about EA doing every little thing they can to nickle and dime consumers, and they are killing bioware, viceral, and other great studios in the process.
EA is a whore. but one that denies that she is sucking dick for money.
Multiplayer in Mass Effect 3 is the only reason I don't consider the money I spend on a CE completely wasted ...
I think EA is what they always were, a publisher which lets good games slip through the cracks about the same as any other ... but also a publisher which needs to finally realize they have the reverse midas touch in acquiring studios (not that I blame them for what has become of Bioware, time pressure is never a good reason to tell a bad story ... ME3 is entirely on Mac&Casey's head and on Bioware's management to allow them to get away with it).
I think EA is what they always were, a publisher which lets good games slip through the cracks about the same as any other ... but also a publisher which needs to finally realize they have the reverse midas touch in acquiring studios (not that I blame them for what has become of Bioware, time pressure is never a good reason to tell a bad story ... ME3 is entirely on Mac&Casey's head and on Bioware's management to allow them to get away with it).
I want to believe that Moore is the more reasonable EA talking head, at least compared to the likes of DeMartini. But I have to note: I've never owned any of the devices he listed, and I'm still not at all pleased with the direction EA is going.
Yeah, there are going to be people who are distressed by change simply because they're comfortable with the status quo. But that doesn't mean all critique or uproar about change automatically falls into that category, and I'm more than a little unnerved by the idea that higher-ups at EA are getting used to "filtering out" all criticism of new directions as a matter of course.
From where I stand, the bottom line is that this "new direction" really doesn't seem to be based on what the players want at all, at least when set against providing EA with a continuous stream of capital. Yeah, yeah- cue the inevitable sneering "EA is a business, they have to make money, what do you expect" response. But my feeling is that a company that takes their audience's desires into account will make money at the end of the day, and they'll have a much easier time generating community goodwill and keeping their creative teams from burning out in the process (the opposite of which might, to a more cynical mind, relate to why EA seems to burn through successful studios like a wildfire through dry grass). Instead, EA's new direction seems to amount to treating customers as little more than consumers, and trying to tell said consumers what they want rather than asking them. In the long run, I think that's going to kill them.
Not to mention ever more blatantly. I mean, it is one thing to get mugged, but another all together to be mugged by a dude in a clown suit who then takes a dump on your shoes and says "I know you like it"...Olrod said:
I was furious (still am) about the mandatory multiplayer in ME3. I don't have xboxlive and don't want it. Yes I know it wasn't "mandatory", but it was pretty hard to get the outcome you wanted with out it.
Pretty much this. You saved me a lot of typing. Just want to add in that you owned a complete game, and not a game with tons of stuff locked out or cut out. And you didn't have to worry about servers being down locking you out of single player or having to instal spyware like SecuROM or Origin if you were going to play on PC.Olrod said:
"You bought the game. You sat down. And you played the game until you got tired of the game. It was all on the disc."
The golden days.
I can't even believe how someone would say that trying to make it sound bad with a straight face.
The golden days.
I can't even believe how someone would say that trying to make it sound bad with a straight face.
I find it disappointing, sad and alarming that basically everything I would want to say in this thread, basically has been said, and still somehow it has to be said. If we understand what the problem is why have we not done anything to stop and repair this problem?
No EA it isn't people are afraid of change. Consumers are afraid of changes that diminishes them as customers, leaves them with less return on their investment, grants publishers unjust levels of rights over top of the consumer and gives license to decrease the expected degree of value on the products produced. Basically there is no good rational reason to justify changing products into subscriptions, licenses, services for the customer. The ONLY reason to do it, is to bypass consumer protections all together and frankly everyone knows it.
But yeah, go ahead EA, continue with the policy of blaming the people buying your products for your failings and the failings of the current model of the industry.
Honestly, it is time we pulled the plug from gaming. In the last decade we have seen nothing positive developed from online connectivity in comparison to the massive amount of consumer rape we have had to endure because of it. If people making games cannot use the tool responsibly, it needs to be removed from their toolbox. With great power comes great responsibility and its clear that responsibility has been neglected and ignored.
Pull the plug.
No EA it isn't people are afraid of change. Consumers are afraid of changes that diminishes them as customers, leaves them with less return on their investment, grants publishers unjust levels of rights over top of the consumer and gives license to decrease the expected degree of value on the products produced. Basically there is no good rational reason to justify changing products into subscriptions, licenses, services for the customer. The ONLY reason to do it, is to bypass consumer protections all together and frankly everyone knows it.
But yeah, go ahead EA, continue with the policy of blaming the people buying your products for your failings and the failings of the current model of the industry.
Honestly, it is time we pulled the plug from gaming. In the last decade we have seen nothing positive developed from online connectivity in comparison to the massive amount of consumer rape we have had to endure because of it. If people making games cannot use the tool responsibly, it needs to be removed from their toolbox. With great power comes great responsibility and its clear that responsibility has been neglected and ignored.
Pull the plug.
Hah, fooled you. That would've been almost rational. EA is too smart for a thought like that!4173 said:
I...Terminate421 said:
EA having shitty PR and the public telling them they are evil while neither side gets anywhere
I got Baklava.
So...someone got what they wanted >_>.
esperandote said:
...thank you for that clown imagery. >_>carpathic said:
...Except for the small detail that Steam doesn't rip law-abiding people off. Remember that.Frostbite3789 said:
What you've said: "I don't like the state that this industry is in, thus, we should get rid of it entirely."viranimus said:
Please get your over-dramatic ass out of here and let us who enjoy it do so.
You know what? You're right, I don't like change.
I don't like my games being incomplete on launch for the sake of DLC.
I don't like game prices going higher and higher, despite more aforementioned DLC being released.
I don't like being forced into always online DRM, because even if I do have internet, there's always that "what if".
And you know what I don't like the most?
Game publishers and developers who forget who buys their games.
I am sick and tired of seeing an industry attitude of "Well, if you don't like it, to bad."
When did customer rights turn into "entitled" attitudes, where it's a sin to speak against the developers/studios?
So you're half right EA, I don't like STUPID changes, and you keep making them.
I don't like my games being incomplete on launch for the sake of DLC.
I don't like game prices going higher and higher, despite more aforementioned DLC being released.
I don't like being forced into always online DRM, because even if I do have internet, there's always that "what if".
And you know what I don't like the most?
Game publishers and developers who forget who buys their games.
I am sick and tired of seeing an industry attitude of "Well, if you don't like it, to bad."
When did customer rights turn into "entitled" attitudes, where it's a sin to speak against the developers/studios?
So you're half right EA, I don't like STUPID changes, and you keep making them.
I'm all for citing academic journals but this is an issue with people getting banned from an online gaming platform, forum posts and blogs on gaming websites is about as good as it's going to get mate. A hacker getting a ton of people banned? A Dragon Age II ban that took a week to resolve? Getting banned because someone else swears at you? All coupled with pretty shit automated customer service is why I say again that I find fault with:animehermit said:
Don't let some weird EA persecution complex blind you from the faults EA has shown in their online gaming platform. I'm not some idiot who hates EA because it's what all the cool kids do, I have found some (IMO) pertinent faults in EA's Origin service and you seem hellbent on sweeping them under the rug with the other "day one DLC" and "Too many sequel" arguments.