Earth like planet found. Your reactions?

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kouriichi

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I bet there are already aliens there.
And i bet there the same poor drivers that crashed in new mexico back in the 40's.

While i'd hate to be racist, but i have to say it. "Oh my god! Jhon! Its a planet full of asians! This explains why they crashed into our planet, why theyer all described to be short, and why theyer so advanced!"
 

schiZm22

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Only 120trillion miles?! Wow, that's like...more than 100,000 times further than humans have ever sent a spacecraft. Well, if we go near the speed of light, relativistic effects will cause the travelers to arrive in less time...relative to them. It'll still appear to take them many many years back on Earth.

And the "habitable zone" really only denotes whether liquid water is feasible on the planet. Although its greater mass might actually be a boon to life. (Denser atmosphere, greater internal heat causing geological activity) But since we still have very little idea how life generated from inanimate matter on Earth, it's a little early to declare that life must be there.
 

Disako

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Science time!

Planet mass and gravity

People are saying that 3x the mass = 3x the gravity. This is not true. The mass of a planet is proportional to its radius cubed. This means that the radius is proportional to the cube root of the mass. Since the force of gravity is proportional to mass over radius squared, this works out as meaning that the gravitational force at the surface is proportional to the cube root of mass. Assuming the planet has the same density as Earth, this means that the surface gravity is 1.44 times that of earth, still not exactly friendly, but a lot more reasonable. This is potentially a bit of an underestimate, as you might expect the planet to be slightly denser than earth due to its higher gravity, but this isn't too much of a factor since solids and liquids do not really compress under pressure.

Habitability

The planet is in the 'Goldilocks zone', meaning that (with an earth like atmosphere), it is not too hot or too cold on at least some parts of its surface (in this case around its 'equator' since it is side on to the star, and thus really hot at one pole, and really cold at the other).

There are really three states the planet could be in. Habitated, with an earth like atmosphere, uninhabited with a hostile atmosphere, or habitated with a hostile atmosphere. Let me clarify- Earth's atmosphere is a product of billions of years of work by microorganisms. You don't just get a planet with an earth like atmosphere and no life (unless some big disaster managed to wipe them all out I guess). There may be life in a hostile atmosphere, either as a result of evolution taking a different track, or because that life is in an earlier stage of development than on Earth. Interestingly, there may be ways to identify the composition of a planets atmosphere at a distance using spectographic techniques (seeing what wavelengths of light the planet absorbs/emits). If we detect an Earth like atmosphere, it's almost certain that the planet holds life. Unfortunately, I don't think the technology is there yet to do this with such a small (in relative terms), distant object.

Assuming we do find life, I find it incredibly unlikely that it'll be intelligent. Life has been on Earth for billions of years. But humanity for only tens of thousands. And we've only had stuff like radio for around a hundred years. The chances of any aliens we meet being at the same stage of development is miniscule. If they're behind us, they can't answer our calls. If they're ahead of us... well surely they know about Earth already? Why haven't we been hearing any signals from them?

Getting there

FTL travel is impossible. Sorry guys. This isn't just 'it's really hard', I mean it's physically impossible. The shortest time people can possibly get to this planet, even with super future technology, is 20 years, in Earth's frame of reference.

However people here seem a little confused as to how time dilation works. It isn't the people on Earth who feel the effects, it's the people on the spaceship. As you travel faster, your time slows down relative to the rest of the universe. This means that if you travel close enough to the speed of light, while to people on earth it looks like it took 20 years, for yourself it could happen in an instant. Of course, you still have to find a way to accelerate to that speed in any decent time frame, with a reasonable ammount of fuel, and without turning yourself into a fleshy stain on the walls of your spaceship. But these are engineering difficulties rather than physical impossiblities.

In fact, given some sort of infinite supply of fuel, even at a comparatively sedate acceleration of 1g (providing a nice simulated earth gravity), it's possibly to cross the entire galaxy within a lifetime. Of course, you'll be travelling so fast by the time you get there that you won't be able to do much sightseeing, but nevertheless it is possible.
 

Adventurer2626

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For once I'm optimistic. I saw a short presentation on an article today about it. It sounds like the conditions are super close to ours. It supposedly has water and it's in the "sweet spot" so I'd definitely say that it could potentially house life in some capacity. Do I think it has life currently? No. So far. If there are just two planets in the whole universe and one has as rich a biosphere as ours I say we should be infinitely grateful. Say we had 2 billion Earth-like planets then I'd say yea it probably does have life. To sum up my opinion I doubt it actually has life but I wouldn't rule out us terraforming it once get a handle on near-lightspeed travel. It's only 20 away afterall. That's pretty damned close in Universal terms. If it happens in my lifetime, all I have to say is: The Spice Must Flow!
 

Calgetorix

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Buzz Killington said:
Yep. The time dilation factor comes from this equation:



...where t is time, v is your velocity, and c is the speed of light. If you do it for t=1, t' comes out to around 7.089.
You are right time dilation is given by that formula. You just haven't specified t'
t is a clock's proper time. That is, the time measured in the frame of reference (S) where the clock is at rest.
t' is the time measured by another system (S') moving with the velocity relative to (S).
In Earth's frame of reference, the spaceship gets to star A in t' = L/v where L is the distance to the star.
Since the proper time t is where the clock is at rest is on the spaceship, the time it has taken for the spaceship, according to the spaceship, is
t = t' * sqrt()
Since the square root always is smaller than 1, the time measured by the people in the spaceship is always shorter than that measured by the people on Earth.

Note that if the spaceship were to turn around and head back towards Earth, you need to do further calculations (which I'm unsure of right now). Look the twin paradox up, though.

RelexCryo said:
It would have 3 times the gravity of Earth. You would weigh three times what you do on Earth, and so would everything else. There is a good chance you would ruin your joints simply by regularly moving objects that are only moderate wieght on the planet Earth. Simply put, we could not colonize it. I guess we could send a probe though. But good luck getting it to escape the planet's gravity after landing.
That's wrong. It won't have 3 times the gravity of earth. Gravity depends on mass and the inverse of distance squared. Wikipedia also says 1.1-1.7 times that of the Earth and not 3 times.
 

Calgetorix

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thethingthatlurks said:
You can't. It's simply acceleration. Think about riding in a car. You've stopped at a red light, but floor it when it turns green. You never go faster than whatever the speed limit happens to be, but your acceleration may exceed 90mph^2 (hypothetically speaking). It's basically this: if you have a constant velocity, you have no acceleration. If you have constant acceleration, you have a variable velocity (either increasing or decreasing), and if you have a change in acceleration, you have a second order change in velocity. You can have a huge acceleration but only end up with a speed of 2mph; basically, v=integral(a(t)dt,t1,t2).
"Simply acceleration" is actually not that simple once you get to speeds 0.3c - 0.4c. Then acceleration is not linear (it never is, though, but at low velocities, it's a good enough approximation) and the limit of speed to which something can accelerate is just less than the speed of light. Any other energy put into whatever system you are accelerating is usually said to increase its relativistic mass.

Also, I'm quite sure that an acceleration that, even however short-lasted, is not allowed to imply that at some point, you had a speed faster than the speed of light. How to prove that, I'm unsure of and I can't be bothered to do the maths (or try to). Acceleration is very odd indeed once you travel with a speed a good fraction of the speed of light.
 

thylasos

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"Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff." Is essentially my reaction. Fair enough, but... whatever. Interesting, but of no tangible benefit for many human lifetimes, at least.
 

Chris Overhage

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The Austin said:
Chris Overhage said:
The religious implications are going to be fun to watch. Lets see what the Vatican does here.
How so?
Just because their are more planets doesn't mean that Catholicism has been debunked or anything.

OP: I can has Star Wars lifestyle now?
How so what? I never stated an action. My post was for want of action. I never said anything about debunking Catholicism.
 

Chris Overhage

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Heart of Darkness said:
Chris Overhage said:
The religious implications are going to be fun to watch. Lets see what the Vatican does here.
Actually, the Vatican already beat you to it. Two years ago. Probably not the best source, but you can read about it here [http://blackmailbox.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/vatican-prepares-for-extraterrestrial-disclosure/].

In short, the Vatican states that extraterrestrial life poses no challenge to Catholic theology, stating that extraterrestrial life is still a part of creation.

Why do people always assume that all religion is completely espoused from scientific thought?

OT: Great. Now how are we going to get ourselves/something there? It's one thing to find something. It's another to actually run tests and obtain much more concrete data.


"Why do people always assume that all religion is completely espoused from scientific thought?" For the third time...Im not trying to debunk anything. I would just like to see what they do.
 

ScRaT_the_destroyer

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jesus even at sublight speeds, project orion would get us there in 200 years, which while not very quick is plausible for a firefly style exodus of humanity,
 

No-Superman10

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LBringer said:
Chris Overhage said:
The religious implications are going to be fun to watch. Lets see what the Vatican does here.
Probably try to claim it as a Catholic only planet?

OT: I'm actually more curious which government/corporation will try to own it first.
Take only photo's, leave only footprints.
 

Talshere

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Well, I guess if its identical to our own little rock the chances of life are as good as any other rock :p

Its actually not entirely unfeasible that we would be able to travel to this planet by the end of the century(possibly 2 century's), assuming we perfect the creation of antimatter and/or fusion and/or carbon nanotubes. With these technology's we could festally achieve near light travel, and while many many years would pass on earth, due to the time shift that occurs the closer to the speed of light you get, the journey could be achieved easily within 1 generation.

A curious question. We always assume that any extraterrestrial life will be more advanced than us. However estimations of how fast we will progress through varies stages of civilisation (which is based on energy consumption, of 1-3 of which was are currently 0), as well as given our position in the galaxy (near the edge, IE the optimal place), is it not possible that we are the first civilisation to achieve space travel?
 

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The Procrastinated End said:
Yay we have a backup planet now, suck on that hippies.
You suggest that humans should be little more than a virus?