Edgar Wright No Longer Directing Marvel's Ant-Man

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Therumancer

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I have been curious about how well they would do with "Ant Man", he's an interesting character for sure, but his power set makes him more of a supporting character/plot devices especially if he's acting as "Ant Man" as opposed to one of his other identities where he can grow (or do both).

My immediate thought is that to really work Ant Man has to be portrayed as a deeply flawed character, he's a genius on the level of Tony Stark or Reed Richard, but even more arrogant, and who wound up beating his wife and then seeking redemption and trying to earn back his friends for years afterwards. As odd as it sound, that's actually one of the driving forces of what turned Pym into a hero, and why he has been willing to go so far since he did things that are hard to forgive or forget that don't involve threatening the world. On some levels being more disliked that even villains like "Doctor Doom" for quite some time. Without that he's just "dude who can shrink and control bugs".

One of the big criticisms of Marvel is that they have already done away with a lot of the flaws inherent in the heroes, Tony Stark for example was never a raging alcoholic (he got drunk once for a fight scene against Rhodey). Nobody has to deal with secret identities... and yet Disney has been under fire to an extent because of how arrogant Thor and Iron Man are, I've read some stuff about "concerned parents" feeling character like Tony Stark who appeal heavily to children in their movie guises, act like jerks. Even without the wife beating, what is that going to say about Pym, when half the point of him is that he's an even bigger jerk than Iron Man.

I anticipate this might be a problem as the cinematic universe goes forward, because one of the thing that "sells" Marvel is that they tend to be a little more realistic with their characters, and as a general rule you don't have many "Paragons" among the group. The good guys have in the past been sexual perverts (even outright prostitutes like Stacy X), alcoholics, recovering dope fiends, teenage runaways (not just "Runaways" either, "Cloak & Dagger" fit this bill as well), wife beaters, racists (The Black Panther and his people have this in spades if understated, hating to ask for outside help, and if you remember the comments when Wakanda gave Falcon his battlesuit right before Civil War it wasn't exactly enlightened) and murderous deranged war veterans (The Punisher). Heck, Emma Frost used to manage a sex club that existed to subvert the upper levels of society... and she wasn't exactly portrayed as being chaste in doing it. This is counter to DC where they have more in the way of "flawless" moral paragon characters, or did pre-reboot (Superman, Captain Marvel, even Batman holds himself to a fairly high standard of moral conduct despite being a vigilante) which seems to define a lot of what people think super-heroes are supposed to be like. As a result I expect that we'll see more "sanitizing" of existing characters, and some that are really hard to do at all without their flaws might be overlooked entirely. Especially given the relative failure of doing things like "The Punisher" while trying to make him a bit more... reasonable... for the audience in the past. On some levels I'm kind of surprised they ever green lit an Ant Man movie to begin with, and I suspect half the problem is they are already getting some comments about the Avengers not being "perfect" so bringing in a really flawed character (even if the wife beating was played down) would be hard. Ant Man is a guy your supposed to be able to cheer for, and really hate, at the same time. He kind of demonstrates that "good and evil" don't always go entirely one way, and what's more he actually does have something to redeem himself for, and it's the kind of thing real people grapple with, and isn't any easier to be forgiven for as a super hero than it is in real life.
 

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Damnit, I was looking forward to Ant-Man more than Avengers 2, just because of Edgar Wright. The directorial choices for all the early Marvel movies were brilliant - Jon Favreau was better known for comedies, Kenneth Branagh is a pretentious Shakespearean elitist, Joe Johnston directed freaking Jumanji, and Joss Whedon was just a geek icon and definitely NOT a blockbuster director.

Looks like Disney wants to get cheaper, less "niche" films and filmmakers for their MCU - they're probably expecting Guardians of the Galaxy to fail hard and don't want to waste too much time with Ant-Man, another potential failure.

Scrumpmonkey said:
I secretly hope this is because someone has found a great new project for Edgar Wright to work on and he couldn't say no. He's probably the most joyous film maker working right now.
Of course, it might not be as bad as what I'm making it out to be, and maybe Edgar Wright stepped down so he could do the next Star Wars after J.J. Abrams.

Can you imagine, one of the biggest Star Wars nerds in the industry directing the brand new fucking Star Wars?!? He wrote this scene for crying out loud:

http://youtu.be/Q4TX6x2WLgk

Edgar Wright would have been amazing on Ant-Man, but he'd be messianic on Star Wars.
 

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Meh, I don't particularly care for Marvel movies for the most part anyways. My favorite one is actually Iron Man 2, so I clearly am missing something when it comes to these films. They just seem so flat and boring sometimes.
 

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marcooos said:
Good Ant-man fucking sucks, why they chose him over every other Marvel character created I don't know. Then again these people believe Guardians of the Galaxy will be anything other than a gigantic failure so I probably should stop ascribing common sense to them
Based on what? To pretty much the whole sentence.




Anyway, this is a damn shame and things where going so well, maybe Marvel and Whedon do have someone else they considered with Edar or maybe they've filmed enough footage so another director can fill in the blanks. If the story is going where I think it is this movie is rather important to the overall structure to the Marvel Movie U as is, so they most definitely will rectify this change in events.

Fingers crossed.
 

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Well, that sucks. =(

That's pretty much all I can say about it. I can't speculate on why they parted ways or who's at fault. All I know is that (a) it's suck to hear that two sides couldn't find a middle ground, (b) Marvel has lost some major momentum with the fans, and (c) it's gonna take something spectacular to fill in those shoes or make people forget about this come San Diego Comic Con.

I'd like to offer more insight on this, but I think Drew McWeeny (yes, that's his name so quit laughing) of HitFix.com covered it better than I could.

http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/edgar-wright-and-marvel-part-ways-on-ant-man-over-a-different-vision-of-the-film
 

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Well, that's lame. I have a standing rule to watch anything Edgar Wright makes because he's a brilliant director and everything I've seen from him has been great (Spaced, the Cornetto trilogy, Scott Pilgrim), so I hope this just means he's off to do something else. Marvel's loss I suppose.
 

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I hate to say this, but Wright may simply have not been a good choice for a big budget tentpole movie in a shared universe. Yes he has made some movies that we all love. Pretty much the 3 Simon Pegg Nick Frost movies. But Scott Pilgrim was not exactly a breakout success. Even with it's inherent quirkiness. Marvel hasn't exactly been against the concept of using directors from different mediums or styles. Kenneth Branaugh for a comic book movie? Not exactly intuitive. Or the TV directing Russo brothers for an action spy thriller? Those paid off well. but that doesn't mean every combination works. We don't know what Wrights plans were or how he was looking to bring the characters to the screen. As you say if Marvel did not think it fully lined up with their overall vision then yeah it might be perfectly legit creative differences. Marvel has been keeping their IP's on a somewhat shorter leash. But I think we can all agree that that has paid off for them. They want them to hew closely to the source materials and peoples expectations of the characters. The alternative to their overarching creative and character control is stuff like Fantastic Four or X3 and lets not forget Man of Steel and Green Lantern. If Wright was delivering a quirky comedy or character study where Marvel was wanting a SciFi action adventure then yeah. Creative Differences.

let's also not forget that Edgar Wright does not have a ton of experience playing around in the large budget world. Once again his only "A List" Hollywood project before this was Scott Pilgrim. One question we as fans rarely think about or talk about is "is the director capable of delivering the product that the studio wants within budget?" The fact that there are stories floating around about concerns regarding Wrights lack of "coverage" when shooting is a pretty good indication that the studio might be worried along these lines. For Wrights smaller quirkier films he can get buy with shooting less and working in reshoots if he doesn't like something. Heck I think his Simon Pegg stuff was shot on film? So minimizing that is budget cutting. He came up through BBC and British television where this is a common approach. But on a summer blockbuster? reshoots cost an order of magnitude more than just throwing a few extra cameras and cameramen at primary shooting.

And the simple fact is sometimes studios and good skilled directors with drooling fan bases do legitimately have creative differences. They do not always agree with what direction to take a project. Heck Joss Wheedon and Warner Brothers had such with Wonder Woman. He wanted to do a classic WW2 set Wonder Woman. They wanted a modern action adventure. He was replaced. (granted one would think in hindsight they are probably kicking themselves.)
 

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Edgar Wright was the key reason I was mostly interested in this one. Hearing he is no longer on the project has made me very hesitant about it now.
 

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SomebodyNowhere said:
Edgar Wright was the key reason I was mostly interested in this one. Hearing he is no longer on the project has made me very hesitant about it now.
Likewise. I don't really have any interest in Ant-Man as a character right now, if anything would have made me go and see this film, it would have been the fact that it was directed by Edgar Wright. Most likely, this is another one I'll just wait and watch it later...
 

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I didn't particularly like the two Edgar Wright movies I've seen (namely Hot Fuzz and Scott Pilgrim vs The World) so I'm not as bent out of shape over this as other people. I think Marvel will probably find a suitable replacement; but failing that I don't think one stinker is nearly enough to sink the MCU.
 

Imperioratorex Caprae

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While I like Edgar Wright, I didn't like his last foray into comics (Scott Pilgrim...). That more or less is why I wasn't up in arms thrilled to hear he was directing. I don't know how well this will translate to film either so I was wary and still am, as much as I like Paul Rudd (and really want him to succeed as an actor beyond comedy).
 

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It's sounds then like I've just added another movie I'm gonna watch afterwards on dvd or something. I just happen to know nothing about the character nor care about it, and now this.

I'm leaning towards Wright wanting to put more of him into the movie than Marvel wanted.
 

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Thought just occurred: since Edgar Wright isn't doing Ant-Man...he should walk across the street to Fox and direct Deadpool. It'd be PERFECT.
 

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"In a shocking turn of events that stunned the film industry..."

Oh, please. This isn't Channel Nine Action News.

Anyway, I was already expecting Ant Man to be the first big letdown from Marvel, and now it looks all the more likely.