Einsteins theory is proved! Might be a good idea to buy a bungalow...

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Buizel91

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So, Einsteins theory of relativity has been proved...to be right, Apparently, the higher above sea level you are, the quicker you age.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/einsteins-theory-is-proved--and-it-is-bad-news-if-you-own-a-penthouse-2088195.html?

Here is a few paragraphs from the article as i am terrible at explaining things xD

"Einstein's theory of relativity states that time and space are not as constant as everyday life would suggest. He suggested that the only true constant, the speed of light, meant that time can run faster or slower depending on how high you are, and how fast you are travelling.

Now scientists have demonstrated the true nature of Einstein's theory for the first time with an incredibly accurate atomic clock that is able to keep time to within one second in about 3.7 billion years ? roughly the same length of time that life has existed on Earth.

James Chin-Wen Chou and his colleagues from the US National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colorado, found that when they monitored two such clocks positioned just a foot apart in height above sea level, they found that time really does run more quickly the higher you are ? just as Einstein predicted."

So, if you want to live a bit longer, buy a bungalow...below sea level.
 

dangoball

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Now to find statistics on average lifespan of Dutch and compare to anyone above sea level.
I'm too lazy for that so the task is yours, my fellow escapists!
 

Buizel91

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Renegade Shepard said:
So if I spend most of my time in space, where does that leave me?
Pretty sure it said in that article that in space, time goes slower :p

so you probably age slower.
 

Zack Alklazaris

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Renegade Shepard said:
arc1991 said:
Renegade Shepard said:
So if I spend most of my time in space, where does that leave me?
Pretty sure it said in that article that in space, time goes slower :p

so you probably age slower.
Alright then.

I will enjoy watching some ground walkers I know die before me.
I'm a bit confused. Since your higher on Earth you would be traveling through space faster. The diameter would be larger, but since the Earth spins at the same rate the higher you are the faster you would go because the diameter would be larger.

So wouldn't time slow down? Wouldn't you age slower?
 

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Armchair physics here, so take it for what it's worth - time is affected by mass as well as velocity. The faster you travel, the more time is dilated. Likewise, the larger a body of mass you approach, the more time is dilated.

So, if you were somehow able to accelerate a spaceship to 99% the speed of light - something like 179,000 miles per SECOND - then time for you would pass "slower". 2 weeks (for you) at that speed might end up being several years for all of the people back home that didn't book the same flight.

If, on the other hand, you were to get caught up in the event horizon of a black hole, an observer at a safe distance would see you crushed into a stream of matter in a few minutes. For you, caught in your flying coffin, time would become heavily dilated, seeming to pass very, very slowly. Those few minutes observed from the outside could seem like a much, much longer time for you, assuming that getting caught in that much gravity didn't instantly kill you. Which it would. Very much. So, so dead.

Thing is, the Earth has neither the mass nor the velocity to have a huge relativistic effect on us. The difference in the recorded passage of time on the surface of the planet vs. the recorded passage of time on a satellite 20 miles up, traveling at 30 miles per second, is a few fractions of a second per day. Not good for GPS, but according to the theory there'd be a difference of only a few minutes after many, many years.

Long story short, if you live at the top floor of a 50 story building for 70 years, relativity will end up giving you about an extra ~45 seconds or so of time. And that's assuming you stay there every moment of those 70 years.
 

Hazy992

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And people thought I was mad when I said I wanted to live with the Mole People! Well who's mad now?!
 

Moth_Monk

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Scientists have known for decades that Einstein's theories are right. This isn't news...
 

MammothBlade

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Time to invest in an underground bunker... one and a half miles deep should do it.
 

thesilentman

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Moth_Monk said:
Scientists have known for decades that Einstein's theories are right. This isn't news...
Indeed. IIRC, the way it was tested was with two atomic clocks and back around 1910. Yeah
 

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dangoball said:
Now to find statistics on average lifespan of Dutch and compare to anyone above sea level.
I'm too lazy for that so the task is yours, my fellow escapists!
We Dutch have been quietly enjoying those few extra fractions of seconds in a lifetime for a long while.
 

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the_dancy_vagrant said:
Armchair physics here, so take it for what it's worth - time is affected by mass as well as velocity. The faster you travel, the more time is dilated. Likewise, the larger a body of mass you approach, the more time is dilated.

So, if you were somehow able to accelerate a spaceship to 99% the speed of light - something like 179,000 miles per SECOND - then time for you would pass "slower". 2 weeks (for you) at that speed might end up being several years for all of the people back home that didn't book the same flight.

If, on the other hand, you were to get caught up in the event horizon of a black hole, an observer at a safe distance would see you crushed into a stream of matter in a few minutes. For you, caught in your flying coffin, time would become heavily dilated, seeming to pass very, very slowly. Those few minutes observed from the outside could seem like a much, much longer time for you, assuming that getting caught in that much gravity didn't instantly kill you. Which it would. Very much. So, so dead.

Thing is, the Earth has neither the mass nor the velocity to have a huge relativistic effect on us. The difference in the recorded passage of time on the surface of the planet vs. the recorded passage of time on a satellite 20 miles up, traveling at 30 miles per second, is a few fractions of a second per day. Not good for GPS, but according to the theory there'd be a difference of only a few minutes after many, many years.

Long story short, if you live at the top floor of a 50 story building for 70 years, relativity will end up giving you about an extra ~45 seconds or so of time. And that's assuming you stay there every moment of those 70 years.
I think you've got that the wrong way around. At the event horizon of a black hole, time would appear to pass "normally" for the person within the black hole, while for the observer it would appear that time is moving slower within.

For example, say for the person within the black hole, they would be crushed in (arbitrarily) 8 seconds. For an observer watching, that 8 seconds could last for 80 years depending on the level of dilation. Does that make sense?
 

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I do believe it's not about your relative height, but the speed at which you move. And if you are higher up but stationairy relative to the earth you move faster then a person at the ground floor.

it's like you quoted, light speed is the only constant so everything else is detemined by how close you are to it. Although I was sure that time actually slows down when you approach light speed, allowing you to cross more distance in the same relative time frame, also degrading a larger number of cells in the same time frame (aging).

So the gist of it is

as your speed increases, your mass increases and time slows down. Until, at light speed, you mass approaches infinity and time comes to a hold. To the slower observer this would make all things that fastmoving party does, seem endlesly quick. Including aging. Thats why everyone was talking about time travel when the itallians suggested they made a neutrino move faster then the speed of light. Theoretically that would mean time reversed for that object from our frame of reference.
This is also why Einstein believed light speed travel to be impossible, since once mass increased to infinity the required energy to increase it's speed would also grow to infinity.

It's pretty mind boggeling stuff so I might have switched some things up, don't take my word for it lol. but the important thing to take away from it, that I am pretty sure of, is that it's just speed and not height that matters. Just that on earth fixed to the surface the 2 are directly related.
 

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the_dancy_vagrant said:
Armchair physics here, so take it for what it's worth - time is affected by mass as well as velocity. The faster you travel, the more time is dilated. Likewise, the larger a body of mass you approach, the more time is dilated.

So, if you were somehow able to accelerate a spaceship to 99% the speed of light - something like 179,000 miles per SECOND - then time for you would pass "slower". 2 weeks (for you) at that speed might end up being several years for all of the people back home that didn't book the same flight.

If, on the other hand, you were to get caught up in the event horizon of a black hole, an observer at a safe distance would see you crushed into a stream of matter in a few minutes. For you, caught in your flying coffin, time would become heavily dilated, seeming to pass very, very slowly. Those few minutes observed from the outside could seem like a much, much longer time for you, assuming that getting caught in that much gravity didn't instantly kill you. Which it would. Very much. So, so dead.

Thing is, the Earth has neither the mass nor the velocity to have a huge relativistic effect on us. The difference in the recorded passage of time on the surface of the planet vs. the recorded passage of time on a satellite 20 miles up, traveling at 30 miles per second, is a few fractions of a second per day. Not good for GPS, but according to the theory there'd be a difference of only a few minutes after many, many years.

Long story short, if you live at the top floor of a 50 story building for 70 years, relativity will end up giving you about an extra ~45 seconds or so of time. And that's assuming you stay there every moment of those 70 years.
Science is fun. Reminds me of an episode of Star Gate where they accidentally opened a Gate on a planet on the verge of getting crushed in the event horizon of a Black Hole. They closed the Gate and shut the Iris but the dilation due to the gravity was so strong it broke through and caused the people living on the base housing the Gate to be ahead by a few days than everyone else.

No idea how they solved it but it was the only real interesting episode of Star Gate I watched.
 

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arc1991 said:
So, Einsteins theory of relativity has been proved...to be right, Apparently, the higher above sea level you are, the quicker you age.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/einsteins-theory-is-proved--and-it-is-bad-news-if-you-own-a-penthouse-2088195.html?

Here is a few paragraphs from the article as i am terrible at explaining things xD

"Einstein's theory of relativity states that time and space are not as constant as everyday life would suggest. He suggested that the only true constant, the speed of light, meant that time can run faster or slower depending on how high you are, and how fast you are travelling.

Now scientists have demonstrated the true nature of Einstein's theory for the first time with an incredibly accurate atomic clock that is able to keep time to within one second in about 3.7 billion years ? roughly the same length of time that life has existed on Earth.

James Chin-Wen Chou and his colleagues from the US National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colorado, found that when they monitored two such clocks positioned just a foot apart in height above sea level, they found that time really does run more quickly the higher you are ? just as Einstein predicted."

So, if you want to live a bit longer, buy a bungalow...below sea level.

Maybe I'm the dumb guy here, but if you made a clock running off his rules, it would obviously come to his conclusions whether they were right or not.
 

Popadoo

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Well, this has been widely accepted for years. We've had to reset satellites' clocks every day lest your GPS be off by minutes, which would leave you driving into a lake or something, since they pretty much started launching them.
And by age quicker, we mean nanoseconds quicker. If you lived on a mountain you might die a second before you would if you lived by the beach.