I rarely visit Reddit, but this strikes me as a good thing. If you want to create "safe spaces" online then go and CREATE them. Don't rip chunks out of existing sites in order to make them "safe".
Ellen Pao Resigns as Reddit Interim CEO
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I think the issue stemmed from the fact that she brought in new rules that run counter to the core of what the site is in the first place, then went on to not enforce them outside of a very few cases where it almost seemed to be in line with what could be considered an insult to her (I say almost because I don't want to believe that she is openly racist. Never attribute malice to what could simply be incompetence after all). Plus, given how the company has less then 75 people working for it, any call on who is fired is going to go through her position, either as the one who made the decision or as the one approving one of the less then 5 people who would logically make that call under her in such a small company (though given the size of the company, the former is the more likely). Given her position, it is clear she would have either been the one to make the call, or at the least signed off on it, both of which are pretty infuriating for the users, and are yet another part of the long list of reasons why the site's users hate her.LifeCharacter said:
I think you're confusing "trying to get someone fired for something in absolutely no way related with their job" with "trying to get someone fired for utterly failing at their job".
People aren't against the removal of people from jobs which they are not capable of doing well (which in Pao's case is her latest 2 jobs at the very least), we're against having someone removed from their job for something in no way related to, or effecting their ability to do, said job. Like, say, having an uncontroversial political opinion which some radicals consider to be wrong-think.
So why accept it and let the harassers get what they want, and suffer no consequences? Why don't we push to be better?FirstNameLastName said:
The Witch is dead! Ring the bells, the Wicked Witch is dead!
Wow, this was a long time coming. Ellen Pao was utterly awful, complete with a long and checkered history of...Well, what we'd call 'fraud' and 'bullshit'. I'm glad she's gone, and it is my sincerest prayer that she never gets an important post again.
Break out the champagne and dance in the streets! Let the cheers ring across the kingdom, for the tyrant has fled and the rightful King has returned! Now they just need to hire Victoria back, and the healing can begin.
More, this also proves what many people need to learn - you are not helpless. You, and others like you, can bring down even the mighty who think they're beyond your reach. Do not bend over for the liberals; Fight them, and they will fall before you or flee screaming into the place where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.
This is like the end of Starship Troopers, where they realized that the monster *was afraid*.
All-in-all, great work! My congratulations to Reddit's community. And, Ellen Pao - Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'd sent a letter of condolences, but she'd only want money instead.
Harassers will always get their way. If you want to 'Push to be better', you'll accomplish nothing. No-one will care, and I'll offer you a lonely salute of solidarity for your doomed efforts, as well as the playing of the world's smallest violin.
edit: Ooh, the usual suspects are already trying to do spin-control. Dance for us, Gawker! Dance for us, Jezebel! Soon, the puppet strings will be wrapped around your necks!
But seriously, it's hilarious how quickly they're rising to her defense. Is this really the hill they want to die on?
Oh wait. They're rapidly running out of hills.
Wow, this was a long time coming. Ellen Pao was utterly awful, complete with a long and checkered history of...Well, what we'd call 'fraud' and 'bullshit'. I'm glad she's gone, and it is my sincerest prayer that she never gets an important post again.
Break out the champagne and dance in the streets! Let the cheers ring across the kingdom, for the tyrant has fled and the rightful King has returned! Now they just need to hire Victoria back, and the healing can begin.
More, this also proves what many people need to learn - you are not helpless. You, and others like you, can bring down even the mighty who think they're beyond your reach. Do not bend over for the liberals; Fight them, and they will fall before you or flee screaming into the place where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth.
This is like the end of Starship Troopers, where they realized that the monster *was afraid*.
All-in-all, great work! My congratulations to Reddit's community. And, Ellen Pao - Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I'd sent a letter of condolences, but she'd only want money instead.
Why? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You've seen how SJWs have relentlessly hounded people out of the industry for speaking up against them. Turnabout is fair play. If you're fighting an enemy who has no honor, holding on to your principles when battling them isn't just stupid, it's actively self-defeating.BreakfastMan said:
Harassers will always get their way. If you want to 'Push to be better', you'll accomplish nothing. No-one will care, and I'll offer you a lonely salute of solidarity for your doomed efforts, as well as the playing of the world's smallest violin.
edit: Ooh, the usual suspects are already trying to do spin-control. Dance for us, Gawker! Dance for us, Jezebel! Soon, the puppet strings will be wrapped around your necks!
But seriously, it's hilarious how quickly they're rising to her defense. Is this really the hill they want to die on?
Oh wait. They're rapidly running out of hills.
This was nothing more than blatant obvious incompetence.
That was from an ex-mod. All these actions were done with no transition plan, no intermediary solution going forward.
Pao wanted to make the company more profitable. I think that's easy to understand. It's a for profit website, but as others have pointed out. It's not easy to make money off sites like this. And Pao was supremely bad at it.
That was from an ex-mod. All these actions were done with no transition plan, no intermediary solution going forward.
Pao wanted to make the company more profitable. I think that's easy to understand. It's a for profit website, but as others have pointed out. It's not easy to make money off sites like this. And Pao was supremely bad at it.
Doesn't matter if you like her or not, seeing all the death threats, other threats and the misogyny, racism and just hatred thrown at her was sickening to see. I can believe human beings would act that way, but jesus h christ that was depressing to watch. I may not have agreed with some of her actions, but no one deserves the treatment she got. It's disgusting. I wonder what those harassers would do if they didn't have their computer screens to protect them?
The concept of being good/bad at a job doesn't exist for the social justice crowd. Everything is reduced to the lowest common denominator of identity politics. Now the focus will repeatedly be diverted to reddit's toxic, misogynistic community while the legitimacy of the community's complaints (which is well established) will be casually waved away.Marxie said:
That's why it was perfectly fine to run Brendan Eich out of the Mozilla CEO position on a rail, but it's a gross miscarriage of justice that Ellen Pao was booted. It's blindingly obvious which of these two people was qualified for the job and earned it on merits. The difference is that one was a white guy whose politics were viewed as anti-progressive, the other was a minority woman with the "correct" political leanings. A vexatious lawsuit here or there isn't worth quibbling about.
I don't know when someone drugged me and I woke up in this wacko-world where "progressive" values and sex were a shield against criticism for frivolous lawsuits. According to the mainstream media, she has been "pushed out by misogynistic harassers" instead of the reality that she was horrible at her job at both a technical and cultural level.StreamerDarkly said:
Can anyone tell me how this shit is possible, because it's quite amazing - specially considering the order in which the article had been revised. Had it occurred the other way around, it would make sense for a respected newspaper, but that way?
http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html
http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html
Wow.Random Gamer said:
I... wow.
I didn't think news could do that. I did note something very interesting though:
The article was first published by Mike Isaac at 5:23 pm. It was then 'updated' at 7:48pm - 2 hours and 20 minutes later, with virtually a complete rewrite.
The very first change made to the article is the addition to the "written by" section of "and David Streitfeld". So I don't need Sherlockian levels of deduction to conclude that he rewrote the entire thing, and he rewrote it bloody fast.
I looked the guy up.
He seems to actually be a really decorated and hard working investigative reporter; winning the "Pulitzer Prize for Explanatory Reporting" and has published several very high profile pieces outing corruption and stuff.
He even has his own website: http://www.davidstreitfeld.com/# Although it's very bare (His Twitter feed, personal blurb, and links to a book he wrote/helped write.) There are other sections, but hilariously they have only been populated with stock photos and Photoshop's filler text, so that was pretty funny.
I was most interested to see the opening sentence he wrote:
published 7:48pm, was edited at 10:42pm when the word "sexist" was changed to "male-dominated".
Then at 11:01pm it was changed back to "sexist"!
And then at 11:39pm it was changed back again to "male-dominated"!
What on earth was going on in the New York Times with this article? It was uploaded at half 5 by one reporter, then completely gutted and rewritten in merely 2 hours 20 minutes by another reporter, and judging by the myriad of small edits that were added to the article 1 hour and 20 minutes after that (at 9:07 - The third edit to the article) He was so desperate to get the original article changed that he published the revisions without properly having them edited or spell checked, and then there was some form of dispute over whether to call Silicon Valley sexist or male dominated, which resulted in 2 further edits over the next 2 hours.
That is bizarre.
That is really bizarre.
Also David Streitfeld lives in San Francisco. Because of course he does.