ravenshrike said:
Spider RedNight said:
It's stupid that they try to retcon all this stuff in like "oh no Maleficent was actually a fairy and she fell in love and blah blah blah" - I don't CARE. There was no "hidden relationship" between herself and Aurora, there was no "I'm actually good and the fairies are idiots who would've accidentally killed her" crap.
Except it worked for Maleficent in that the motivations were entirely believable. Powerful person betrayed and mutilated by the one they love becomes bitter and closed off and does what she can to ruin the happiness of the one who caused her pain. Even then, she does not kill or hurt anyone(which remains true to the original disney movie). Attempting to do the same thing to Cruella is just... silly. There is no believable path from good person to kill all puppies(who in universe have the same level of sentience as humans) to redemption.
It's not "entirely believable" when you consider the ORIGINAL Disney Movie in which the Fairies were kindly, King Stefan wasn't a horrible monster who would totally be the type to virtually rape someone else and Maleficent's original intentions were to curse the child because she got snubbed at a party.
It's ridiculous that they try to turn her from "The Mistress of ALL EVIL" into "misunderstood fairy with a hidden heart of gold" - but then, it doesn't work in anyone's favour when they spend their first Disney appearance reveling in being powerful, dangerous and formidable then they spend another movie saying "oh see this isn't how it is at all and by the way Stefan is a terrible human being and those fairies are shitty at everything because we're trying to make this one character who was the villain look good by comparison." If they wanted to make a movie about how Maleficent was jaded, they should've introduced, like, a separate character instead of warping all the existing characters to make her look good by comparison - it starts to edge into the other thread's "Mary Sue" discussion when we think about it like that.
And they're making a SECOND ONE. Because at the end of the first one, Maleficent DOESN'T turn into a motherfucking awesome dragon and get into an epic battle with Philip! Yayyyyyy ruining original (in the sense that there's already Disney movies about said material) Disney movies like Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland!
Maybe I wouldn't be so bitter if I didn't like the original Disney's Sleeping Beauty. Yeah, Aurora's boring and whiny but hey, she spends 2/3 of the movie out of commission. The Fairies are likable (and competent), Philip does all the princely things, King Stefan and King Hubert have a pointless scene where they hang out, and Maleficent is EVIL and she LOVES being EVIL. Then the Wicked ripoff comes along then tries to tell everyone that that's not it at all and that Maleficent (whose name was the same throughout for... some reason) is actually good, she's just been hurt and that justifies her cursing a days-old child because "do unto others" as in "when Stefan does it it's terrible but when Maleficent intends to, it's okay".
Also she didn't turn into a dragon. That just pisses me off. ALSO also when she pitches a fit in the original after finding out her minions were incompetent, I'm pretty sure she DID hurt a handful of them - you don't throw magic and lightning around like that, flinging people across the room and expect none of them to be hurt.
UGH that movie is terrible.
SO, using the insane troll logic that was used for Maleficent and applying it to this new Cruella movie, she used to be uber pure and kind-hearted until Roger (yeah, the gentle, quiet soul who writes music and spends ALL of his time with his dog) came along and metaphorically raped her by, I dunno, killing her dog? Ripping off her beloved coat? And then she gets all bitter and cynical and tells EVERYONE that she's gonna get her sweet revenge by making a coat made of puppies, starting with evil thug Rogers 15 puppies that they had. That'll show him! Toss in the fact that EVERYONE except for her is incompetent and stupid except for maybe ONE of her henchmen - my bet's on Jasper, and at the end she realises that killing puppies is WRONG and that she actually remembers that once upon a time she DID love puppies. So she changes her ways at the end, still murders Roger (though not really because apparently it's not murder if you throw two people off a building and only one of them can fly) and she and the 101 Dalmatians go off to live at the Dalmatian Plantation Home because that was HER idea.
Because that's about what I expect if we're saying "no see Maleficent was a GOOD movie"
