Engineering: To take or not to take

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BehattedWanderer

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Mutated Moose said:
I'm currently a high school Junior interested in Engineering. Knowing the forum-goers of the Escapist to be all-knowing, I propose a question.

What are the basics of Engineering? What pre-requisite classes would be suggested before moving onto the college-level stuff? Will I be able to find a job after college?

Pretty much just asking anyone who has knowledge in the subject to clue me in a bit.
First hand knowledge. Depends on the engineering you want. But, basics, you're gonna need Calculus, the intro to chemistry and physics, and whatever other basics they'll throw at you. Get some sciences under your belt. Get some math in. Don't forget to try and get some social sciences in, to save you some time. Though, seriously, try and get at least through pre-calc in high school. Do well on your SATs.

Try and get some computer time with drafting, drawing, or 3D softwares. Anything like that will help you out.

You want a job as an engineer fresh out? Don't be an ass. The only unemployed people I know with their degrees are total asshats.
 

The Abhorrent

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Just to give some perspective, I'm in the last semester of my undergraduate degree in engineering. Very much worth it, definitely plenty of job opportunities... but don't be surprised when the course-load hits you like a ton of bricks, it's not an easy one to take. It might be a bit too much to assume, but one can easily claim that only medical programs are more difficult.

You'd have to look at wherever you'd acquire an education in engineering locally to determine the prerequisites, but generally it will come down to the following (as far as high school goes):

- Pure Math (applied math is a watered down course in my area, so pure is required)
- Calculus (separate from pure math, usually optional)
- Physics (the lifeblood of engineering)
- Chemistry (probably the least used for me, but a requirement just the same)
- English (because every university program requires it)

If you area requires additional testing or whatever, you'll have to look it up. The nature of it as well could very well vary by region; for me, it's an undergraduate degree you can get into straight out of high school. You can transfer into the program from another faculty (usually science), but there's a high standard as well.

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Onto the actual engineering education itself, there is a lot of theory before you get into the meat of it -- design. A lot of the courses you take early on might not seem relevant... until the subject material shows up a year or two later in a course which actually uses them. The easiest example for me is linear algebra, which is a first year course; it wasn't used again until late third year, in numerical modelling and continuum mechanics. Before I get too far however, the first year in my area is a general program; you choose your specialization/discipline for the second year, and there are quite a few options there. Again, you'd have to check the specifics for where you are to see how it works; if you have to go straight into a particular discipline, research into which one you're interested in is a must.

I went into civil engineering myself, which is probably the broadest of the fields; it covers geotechnical, water resources, environmental (a sub-discipline of its own), transportation, construction, structural, and a few other things. My own preferrence for specialization is structural (with a side of water resources), which pretty much obliterates the rest in terms of difficulty (in an already challenging program). I've also gained a lot of interest in bridge design in particular, got a bit lucky and actually managed to cover it during my undergraduate degree.

One thing to keep in mind, and an incentive to keep your marks up, is that a few specializations have an unofficial requirement that you have a Master's Degree to get a job after you graduate; possibly because only some of the best students are willing to take them, and that there's no way to cover everything required (and their associated pre-reqs) in an undergraduate program. I found out only recently that structural was one of these (environmental is another), so I'll be looking at grad school before too long.

Don't get too intimidated by this, because it's less about raw talent as it is about work ethic. The principles of engineering aren't overly abstract, at least not past the few couple of years; once that foundation is there, you're working towards doing things well. As I said earlier, design is the meat of engineering; applying all the theory you've learned, and to do that you have to know that theory inside and out.

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The other thing to keep in mind that you will not learn everything you need to know about engineerng in your undergraduate program. Life-long learning and keeping up to date are a must, and depending on your area liscensure may require this. For example, I'll have to go through four years of internship before being able to be liscenced.

It's a lot of work, but it's worth it.
Engineering is a very respectable for a reason.
 

Dys

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Mutated Moose said:
I'm currently a high school Junior interested in Engineering. Knowing the forum-goers of the Escapist to be all-knowing, I propose a question.

What are the basics of Engineering? What pre-requisite classes would be suggested before moving onto the college-level stuff? Will I be able to find a job after college?

Pretty much just asking anyone who has knowledge in the subject to clue me in a bit.
Engineering is an incredably broad spectrum. The only real consisten aspect is the mathamatics (which if you're into software engineering is a lot less relevent, or at least a lot less conventional, than, say, the maths for mechanical engineering).

Engineering is hard. If you do choose to do it, expect to be sitting at home grinding out assignments while your high school buddies are out partying and generally having fun. Most of what you learn, on top of being hard, will have no relevence on what you do in later life, so you need to be prepared for that. You also need to be able to justify answers, it's one thing to be good at maths or physics (or whatever), but it's typically not good enough to just know it (or to just be able to pump out answers). If you decide that an impeller blade is going to be a specfiic shape, you need to back it up with assumptions (literally every assumption you make needs to be spelled out), you need to look at research (in this case you'd be looking at drag and fluid mechanics) and probably do some prototype testing. You do have a little bit of freedom with regards to how you manufacture your prototype, but outside of that there are definate right and wrong ways to do things, and if you deviate from that you won't succeed (you also need to be able to check your work, if you design something and it fails, there are usually pretty dire consequences).

Engineering is definately one of the least fun things you can study post highschool. It can be rewarding (I sure as all hell hope it is later in life) but expect to miss a lot of the "typical uni experience" because you can't easily coast through.
 

asmidir

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I'm in my first year of an engineering and science double degree. In high school you definitely need to study maths; particularly calculus and algebra. Physics will also save you a lot of time and make it easier to settle in. Most universities require you to have studied maths and a physical science. My advice is to study as many sciences as you can. My entire year 12 consisted of maths and science. Most universities will ask you to choose what field of engineering you wish to study from the beginning. However, the university I attend introduces first years to aspects of each field and then allows them to choose their specialization in the second year.

At the moment my courses for the first year are:
Semester 1:
Engineering Statics (physics of things that don't move)
Programming and Problem solving (Java)
Calculus and Applications
Computer Aided Design

Semester 2
Engineering Dynamics (stuff that moves)
Calculus 2
Chemistry of Materials
Electronic Circuit Theory

The essentials you will need for engineering is maths, maths and more maths. Physics, chemistry and computing will give you a huge advantage but the only assumed knowledge is maths. Good luck in pursuiting your future. Jst study hard and you shouldn't have a problem.
 

mysecondlife

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Cazza said:
mysecondlife said:
Cazza said:
Learning AutoCAD for doing drawings on computers. Im doing residential drafting and I found the ability to use CAD's to be more important then drawingboard skill.
Could give me specifics on what you're doing? I'm currently in engineering school and I might have same interest as yours.
In my course I'm learning to design residential dwellings (Houses) that comply to the national construction codes and residential codes. I would draw up site plans, floor plans, roof & ceiling plans, elevations, sections, general details, stair details, electrical plan, window schedules, building materials etc. That's just the construction component.

Im only doing drafting so unlike an architect I won't be able to sign off on the major drawings. They would need to be signed off by an engineer or architect.

Then there is the design component. Major parts of design are summer & winter sun, natural ventilation, energy rating, room relationships, living spaces, shadows, privacy and housing style & history.

Then there is all the local council stuff (paper work) like planning approval, building approval & estimation.

I have learnt to do my technical drawings on drawingboards but everyone just uses CAD programs. I mainly use AutoCAD, ArchiCAD & Revit.

The subject is very extensive. So I have most likey missed something. Im not sure how related these terms are to engineering. Researching any of those terms should give you a ton of information or you could just ask me.
I am currently studying Environmental Engineering. I haven't gotten to depth of it yet, but what I've studied so far is water quality analysis and system design. What I hope to do out of my education is make Eco-friendly buildings. That's where I thought our interests intertwined.

Thanks for answering my questions!
 

Mutated Moose

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You guys are awesome!

I'm currently finishing up Trig and moving onto Pre-Calculus next year. I doubt I'll be be able to dabble in real Calculus, will this be a big hurdle or no?

Taking Honors Physics this year, and I plan on taking AP next year.

Glad to know there are other Engineers who know their stuff!
 

Bloedhoest

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Awesome choice, only what do you want to engineer?
If it's mechanical, try to get a nifty SolidWorks student edition. It helps to have some 3D CAD experience.