Engineers Propose Interstellar Spacecraft Fueled by Lasers

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Engineers Propose Interstellar Spacecraft Fueled by Lasers



Icarus Interstellar wants to use lasers to create antimatter fuel out of the vacuum of space.

Although it's a beautiful concept, the reality of interstellar space travel is one that features an enormous amount of practical hurdles. One of the biggest problems presented by the "assuming we don't invent faster-than-light travel soon" school of far-flung dreams is the issue of fuel; namely, how do you supply a craft with sufficient fuel for a massive journey without weighing it down too much? Now, in a neat twist, a nonprofit interstellar research foundation has brought us closer to solving that problem: Icarus Interstellar [http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/] has drawn up a working theory for an interstellar spacecraft, known as "The Vacuum to Antimatter-Rocket Interstellar Explorer System" (VARIES), that is powered by a laser that generates antimatter fuel out of the vacuum of space.

Designing a workable antimatter spacecraft has long been a goal of scientists with interstellar ambitions (NASA started work on a similar system [http://www.nasa.gov/exploration/home/antimatter_spaceship.html] back in 2006). What makes Icarus Interstellar's idea special is that while all previous antimatter engine theories have required that the spacecraft carry a small amount of on-board fuel to kickstart the antimatter creation, the VARIES theory allows for a drastic reduction in traditional fuel use.

Here's how it works: In order to generate get energy from antimatter, you must first get yourself some quantum electrodynamics [http://science.howstuffworks.com/antimatter1.htm].

Armed with vast solar panels, a VARIES craft would get to a nearby star using hard, modern space-fuels. Once there, it would unfurl its panels and use them to create energy to power its high-powered laser, which would in turn generate the positron-electron pairs needed for the journey home. If it works, the craft would store up enough of this energy to allow it to make it home with its sails re-furled. Additionally, storing antimatter is a fairly tricky business; more information on how the team plans to deal with that, and other physics-based conundrums associated with the project, can be found at Icarus Interstellar's peer-reviewed articles page [http://www.icarusinterstellar.org/publications/].

Still with me? Glad to hear it. The advantages of an antimatter-powered spacecraft are myriad, with the first big plus being that it weighs a lot less than a craft that needs to carry its fuel (chemical, nuclear, or what have you) on board. Above all else, this makes it much cheaper to launch, in addition to freeing up onboard space otherwise occupied by fuel supplies. Provided its solar panels can be folded up and re-used, there also exists the possibility that a craft of this kind could hop from star to star, refueling itself every time it gets close enough to a new one.


At the moment, the VARIES craft-idea is still very much in development. Happily, the physics behind it seems solid enough to carry the project forward. The number of interstellar hurdles VARIES can jump remains to be seen; but for the moment, it's pleasing to see practical progress towards beating Voyager's record [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117972-Voyager-1-Spacecraft-About-to-Leave-Solar-System].


Source: Discovery.com [http://news.discovery.com/space/varies-interstellar-antimatter-lasers-icarus-120716.html]








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kajinking

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All I can think of is Sins of a Solar Empire where Antimatter was basically mana for spaceships. Still nice to see science moving forward.
 

008Zulu_v1legacy

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When I read "Powered by lasers", the James Bond theme started to play in my head.

Good thing weight means almost nothing in space, you need a ton of power to try an generate a means of FTL travel. While this system sounds innovative, it doesn't sound like it would generate enough power, unless it was a massive system.
 

Chimpzy_v1legacy

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Ok, so we've got space, antimatter and lasers. Maybe they should call that guy who is attaching lasers to sharks.

Add sharks into the equation and they will have officially created the most awesome thing ever.
 

Therumancer

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I have to admit that when I hear someone naming a space craft "Icarus" and what's more that they plan to power it by having it get close to a sun/star I can't help but think this is a joke. Naming a solar space program off of a guy who pretty much died due to his own arrogance and melting the wax in his wings by getting too close to the sun seems pretty stupid to me. Almost like courting disaster. That's why I have a hard time thinking it has to be a joke.

If they are serious, that's great, I hope they succeed, but jeez... change the name.

It's sort of like coming up with a new gas powered space travel concept and calling it "Project Hindenberg" or an ice powered space craft called "The Titanic".

With the name Icarus, they might as well just make the first ship spawned by the program the "USS Kill Beast Buffet" (with a dedication to Yahtzee) and then everyone can act surprised when homicidal aliens get on born and devour everyone. :)
 

Rainboq

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Yup, and it works because light has mass! Don't ask me why, but it derives from E=MC[sup]2[/sup]. Or it would, if they wanted to propel it by point a laser at it, but I skimmed A LOT.
 

The_Darkness

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And here I was expecting them to be pulling some "Energy from nothing" trick. Nope, take the energy from a star, then use antimatter like a battery. That... could work.

It would solve a heck of a lot of other problems too. If you can do [Energy -> Antimatter & Matter] easily, then you have an easy way to transport energy. And that would, frankly, solve a fairly major part of the energy crisis. Wires are just so damn inefficient!

Rainboq said:
Yup, and it works because light has mass! Don't ask me why, but it derives from E=MC[sup]2[/sup]. Or it would, if they wanted to propel it by point a laser at it, but I skimmed A LOT.
No, sorry, E=MC[sup]2[/sup] is actually a simplification. There should be another term in there concerning momentum (irrelevant for stationary objects) and a factor from relativity (also irrelevant for stationary objects). E=MC[sup]2[/sup] works fine for an atom bomb, but with photons you need a different formula since they have momentum but no mass.
 
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project icarus?

sounds like something cerberus would be cooking up...

*opens link*

there is a project bifrost?!?!

I'm keeping my eye on you, Icarus
 

Not G. Ivingname

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Is calling a project about space flight after a myth where a person flew to high, burned up from the sun, and died horribly really good idea?

It would be like calling a ship the Titanic 2, or have your political nichname be "the Watergater."
 

FalloutJack

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Not G. Ivingname said:
Is calling a project about space flight after a myth where a person flew to high, burned up from the sun, and died horribly really good idea?

It would be like calling a ship the Titanic 2, or have your political nichname be "the Watergater."
Yeah, Icarus is not a good name to go by. I'm afraid your ship will find a dark planet on the edge of the galaxy called Z'ha'dum...
 

s_h_a_d_o

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Glad to see I'm not the only one slightly perturbed by the project's designated name - I'll grant the relevant star/flight references provide inspiration on a superficial level, but surely those in charge are acquainted with the word 'hubris', and the meaning behind the myth?
 

Xan Krieger

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Not G. Ivingname said:
Is calling a project about space flight after a myth where a person flew to high, burned up from the sun, and died horribly really good idea?

It would be like calling a ship the Titanic 2, or have your political nichname be "the Watergater."
Like how in Futurama there was the Land Titanic just to tempt fate and naturally it sank below the streets of New New York. Also the Space Titanic tragically lost to a black hole due to pilot error.

OT: Sadly with NASA's budget cuts this is a long long way off. If only NASA had more money.
 

Draconalis

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Therumancer said:
I have to admit that when I hear someone naming a space craft "Icarus" and what's more that they plan to power it by having it get close to a sun/star I can't help but think this is a joke. Naming a solar space program off of a guy who pretty much died due to his own arrogance and melting the wax in his wings by getting too close to the sun seems pretty stupid to me. Almost like courting disaster. That's why I have a hard time thinking it has to be a joke.
You know... I know the story of Icarus, and I read that the craft would essentially "spread its wings and get close to the sun" and still I didn't put two and two together.

Concurred sir... concurred.
 

weirdee

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I'm putting this one up on the shelf next to the Infinity project. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/111958-Artist-Harvests-Flesh-Eating-Power-Of-Fungus-In-A-Corpse-Suit]
 

thiosk

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Note: the journals they published in, while peer reviewed, are certainly not the top journals in the field, and their main journal, JBIS, is well known for giving the fringe speculation air time.

That being said, I do love me some interstellar travel, and if someone thinks they can do it with by essentially condensing photons into matter/antimatter particle pairs, go for it mang.
 

Rooster Cogburn

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I love the name. If you are going to redefine human limitations what could be more appropriate than brazen defiance for the gods themselves? Up anchor and fate be damned!