Entitlement

[Xenedus]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

first off not all those quotes were from interviews. A few were directly from the ME3 site and its description of the game. Secondly, you can't straight up lie in an interview either. If I was the developer of Modern Warfare 3 and I said that the game was a 2D platformer set in a steampunk alternate history around the year 1849 that is false advertising. They used those interviews and statements to promote their game and the statements they used for said promotion were untrue hence false advertising.

I doubt you could effectively argue that developer interviews are not promotional material and I SERIOUSLY doubt that it would stand in a court of law. If you are publishing something which influences someone's intent to purchase your goods then that publication is advertisement.

Definition of False Advertising:
"Any advertising or promotion that misrepresents the nature, characteristics, qualities or geographic origin of goods, services or commercial activities" (Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C.A. § 1125(a)).

 

[Torrasque]

Here's my 2 cents:

What bothers me about all the rage concerning Mass Effect 3's ending, is that people seem to ignore everything leading up to the ending because the ending is bad. That isn't like eating a bag of pretzels only to find that they are cheetos, it is like eating a bag of pretzels and being thirsty 2 hours later. You ignore how good the pretzels were because of how much being thirsty sucks.

The best comparison I can think of is Escaflowne. Escaflowne is one of the best anime I have ever seen. The characters are great, the story is amazing, the animation is great, the setting is great, and the mech combat is fucking amazing. But the ending... THE ENDING. The ending of Escaflowne is the worst ending out of all anime I have ever seen. If I could, I would scratch the part of my disc that had the ending, just so it would skip over that part whenever watching it. Ignoring the ending, Escaflowne is my favorite anime of all time. Including the ending, Escaflowne gets bumped to #6.
Here's where the comparison to Mass Effect 3 comes in.
Watching 26 episodes of Escaflowne and having all that story, conflict, and drama, come to a head... and then being soiled so utterly, makes me mad. I was sooooo fucking mad after seeing that ending, that I wanted to break my disc. After a few months, I got the urge to watch Escaflowne again, but knowing that ending waited for me, my urge to watch it was spoiled. I've since watched Escaflowne another 2 times, and I've skipped the ending both times. Escaflowne is still a very good anime and I love it dearly, I suggest it to everyone I know who is into mech anime (including you!). But I tell them to skip the ending.

I get that after 2 games, the ending is very important (Escaflowne's ending was very important to me), but the amount of raging and QQ over this, as well as the demands, is fucking ridiculous. I won't demand that the writers of Escaflowne change the ending, I won't demand the pretzel manufacturer make a non-dehydrating pretzel, because even though I didn't know the ending was going to suck, I took a chance with it and bought it anyways. Next time, buy non-dehydrating pretzels, or ask people if the pretzels they buy are dehydrating.

Hmmm... That seems more like my $2.40 rather than my 2 cents... Oh well.

 

[Savagezion]

If I am promised a product that does X, I'm entitled to a product that does X, otherwise I'm entitled to returning it for a refund. If I am promised a product that does not do Y, I am entitled to a product that does not do Y, otherwise I'm entitled to returning it for a refund.

Simple as, I'm entitled to what I was promised I'd get.

In any industry, no matter what product is concerned. And as a consumer, I have my rights. One of my rights is to not have to "suck it up and take it", I am entitled to standing up for myself and actively - and reactively - fight against being ripped off.

That said, this was a general statement, because frankly, I've talked about the specific case of ME3 long enough and I'm not continuing that charade.

Without going into spoiler territory, what were you specifically promised (with a link, preferably) that did not live up to said promise?

Spoiler: Promises

[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers

You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.

It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.

The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about
the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the
galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die:
All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.

There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.

 

[Xenedus]

Here's my 2 cents:

What bothers me about all the rage concerning Mass Effect 3's ending, is that people seem to ignore everything leading up to the ending because the ending is bad. That isn't like eating a bag of pretzels only to find that they are cheetos, it is like eating a bag of pretzels and being thirsty 2 hours later. You ignore how good the pretzels were because of how much being thirsty sucks.

The best comparison I can think of is Escaflowne. Escaflowne is one of the best anime I have ever seen. The characters are great, the story is amazing, the animation is great, the setting is great, and the mech combat is fucking amazing. But the ending... THE ENDING. The ending of Escaflowne is the worst ending out of all anime I have ever seen. If I could, I would scratch the part of my disc that had the ending, just so it would skip over that part whenever watching it. Ignoring the ending, Escaflowne is my favorite anime of all time. Including the ending, Escaflowne gets bumped to #6.
Here's where the comparison to Mass Effect 3 comes in.
Watching 26 episodes of Escaflowne and having all that story, conflict, and drama, come to a head... and then being soiled so utterly, makes me mad. I was sooooo fucking mad after seeing that ending, that I wanted to break my disc. After a few months, I got the urge to watch Escaflowne again, but knowing that ending waited for me, my urge to watch it was spoiled. I've since watched Escaflowne another 2 times, and I've skipped the ending both times. Escaflowne is still a very good anime and I love it dearly, I suggest it to everyone I know who is into mech anime (including you!). But I tell them to skip the ending.

I get that after 2 games, the ending is very important (Escaflowne's ending was very important to me), but the amount of raging and QQ over this, as well as the demands, is fucking ridiculous. I won't demand that the writers of Escaflowne change the ending, I won't demand the pretzel manufacturer make a non-dehydrating pretzel, because even though I didn't know the ending was going to suck, I took a chance with it and bought it anyways. Next time, buy non-dehydrating pretzels, or ask people if the pretzels they buy are dehydrating.

Hmmm... That seems more like my $2.40 rather than my 2 cents... Oh well.

Many people do bring up everything before the ending. The content before the ending is pretty damn good which makes the ending stand out that much more and in many ways the ending DOES poison the content before because it renders your actions meaningless which kills the replay-ability of the series as a whole. While I agree with your analogy that it's not finding that you got a bag of pretzels and instead found cheetos it would be more akin to getting a bag of pretzels and finding that at the very bottom of your bag is a small pile of dog crap. Sure the pretzels might have tasted wonderful at the time but finding the pile of dog crap at the end has ruined the experience for you and ruined the whole bag for you.

Moving away from that badly stretched metaphor to Escaflowne I'll say that video games are a different creature from Anime. While it would probably be unreasonable of you to demand that the Anime change the ending it is important to note that nowhere did the creators of the anime make any promises about the ending. It is also important to note that it is very difficult for the creator of an Anime to completely retcon their ending because there really aren't very many systems in place for them to effectively do so whereas video games already have a very convenient system in place that allows them to easily rectify the situation in the form of DLC.

I also agree that the topic appears to have gotten a little bit out of hand and really should not have been as big of a deal as it has been made into (this exact sort of thing has happened before in previous games) but that is more a testament to the ammount of passion people feel for the game series than it is about the merits of the issue itself. Part of the reason it's grown to such heights is I'm sure EA/Bioware are trying to milk the controversy for all the free publicity they can squeeze out of it and partly because people held this game series to be one of the epitomes of storytelling in gaming and have had that blow up in their face in the way that it ended.

 

[Shinigami214]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

 

[Torrasque]

Moving away from that badly stretched metaphor to Escaflowne I'll say that video games are a different creature from Anime. While it would probably be unreasonable of you to demand that the Anime change the ending it is important to note that nowhere did the creators of the anime make any promises about the ending. It is also important to note that it is very difficult for the creator of an Anime to completely retcon their ending because there really aren't very many systems in place for them to effectively do so whereas video games already have a very convenient system in place that allows them to easily rectify the situation in the form of DLC.

Which gives rise to the question: "Why did they even have to say anything about the ending in the first place?"

Yeah, anime =/= games, but for my example, I just wanted to compare the emotional investment that I went through with Escaflowne to the emotional investment that Mass Effect players put into the series. My favorite anime have been the ones where I care about the characters and what happens, that makes the ending very important to me. Mass Effect is the same way, especially after 3 games worth.
It is also possible to "fix" the ending of a game much easier than it is for an anime. For anime, fans will just make their own endings and you can adopt them as the "proper" ending if you want or not. Games can kinda do that, but not the same was as anime. Games have the potential for DLC endings, most DLC is essentially an addition to the story. A DLC ending is just a different portion of the story that they are adding to. I just don't think they should have to make a DLC ending, they should make it because they want to.

I will be making a big deal if the rumored DLC ending is free...

 

[Shinigami214]

Part of me is wishing EA would give gamers another lesson about the reality of business so they'll ***** about something else.

My god, I can't believe there are people out there not only willing but even anxious to see their rights as consumers get trampled on.

You, sir, might be willing to give up your rights as a consumer, but don't look down on others who aren't.

Btw - this so-called 'reality' of business only becomes 'reality' if we let it.

 

[Xenedus]

Moving away from that badly stretched metaphor to Escaflowne I'll say that video games are a different creature from Anime. While it would probably be unreasonable of you to demand that the Anime change the ending it is important to note that nowhere did the creators of the anime make any promises about the ending. It is also important to note that it is very difficult for the creator of an Anime to completely retcon their ending because there really aren't very many systems in place for them to effectively do so whereas video games already have a very convenient system in place that allows them to easily rectify the situation in the form of DLC.

Which gives rise to the question: "Why did they even have to say anything about the ending in the first place?"

Yeah, anime =/= games, but for my example, I just wanted to compare the emotional investment that I went through with Escaflowne to the emotional investment that Mass Effect players put into the series. My favorite anime have been the ones where I care about the characters and what happens, that makes the ending very important to me. Mass Effect is the same way, especially after 3 games worth.
It is also possible to "fix" the ending of a game much easier than it is for an anime. For anime, fans will just make their own endings and you can adopt them as the "proper" ending if you want or not. Games can kinda do that, but not the same was as anime. Games have the potential for DLC endings, most DLC is essentially an addition to the story. A DLC ending is just a different portion of the story that they are adding to. I just don't think they should have to make a DLC ending, they should make it because they want to.

I will be making a big deal if the rumored DLC ending is free...

Nobody is saying they are legally "required" to change the ending the fans are just voicing their current displeasure at the ending and requesting that the devs change it because it adversely effects their enjoyment of the game. It is also worth mentioning that it is economically feasible for a dev to pander to its audience with DLC considering they are in the the business of making money and it is simply a good business decision to appease your customers.

Even if Bioware/EA did release the DLC ending change for free (which I'm not saying they should) it would still end up making them money in the long run because it gets them both positive publicity and purchases them more goodwill from their core fanbase who are the ones who create positive buzz around their future products.

The whole argument is getting blown out of proportion because a bunch of people are insisting that appeasing your audience somehow devalues the game as a whole and that consumers should just shut up after they pay for something which both appear to be fairly short sighted arguments.


Also my point with the anime was that there was really nothing that the creator could do even if he DID want to change the ending at that point because the series was over and no company was going to give him money to remake the ending because they wouldn't get money from it whereas the situation with Mass Effect 3 is completely different because the creator CAN easily change and alter the ending and it is profitable for them in the long run to do so.

 

[Thoric485]

If it's just a service and soulless product, then you won't.

See, this is why i think EAware deserve everything that's coming to them.

They cut their games up for DLC, they insert fucktarded cameos, they develop them for less than 2 fucking years. There's a zero level of craftsmanship or genuine love vested into these products.

They don't treat their works like art, why should their fans?

 

[Shinigami214]

Here's why people are angry: (and seriously you really shouldn't comment on this if you haven't played/seen the ending as you quite literally have no clue what you are talking about)

First off false advertisement: here's a thread with a collection of quotes from the developers while they were trying to hype up the game that they straight up lied about. http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10405204/1


Second, Anyone who has played the ending knows that the ending renders virtually all your choices throughout the game completely void. People aren't angry because the ending wasn't happy it was the fact that the ending was a giant deus ex machina turd sandwich. It has already been said multiple times that the ending doesn't have to be happy or even successful for that matter but it has to be coherent and provide closure as that is kinda the whole point of an ending.

Third, the art defense is weak at best. Are you implying that art doesn't get criticism? Art is critiqued just as much any other medium and to suggest otherwise is insulting to art in general. The fans are justifiably upset by the ending and they are petitioning Bioware to change the obviously rushed ending to something more coherent because the fans believe that leaving the ending in its current state is harmful to the series as a whole.

Fourth, the "the whole game was the ending" defense doesn't work either. In a series like Mass Effect where the entire premise of the series is the player's actions have consequences and impact to have an ending that renders all of that null and void is unacceptable. There are games that are all about the journey itself and not the destination but Mass Effect is not one of them as it is not some generic shooter/platformer where the story is purely an excuse for the character to run out and kill some enemies.

These types of threads appear too often. Someone poses a question and it is eloquently answered. Then everyone ignores that answer and instead resorts to bickering with the replies they see faults in.

Please try to refute the above post, OP.

/signed.

 

[42]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Also as to the argument of artistic integrity it's bullshit. Bethesda did this with Fallout 3 when they made Broken Steel, no one swore at them and called them sellouts.

Here's a pretty good metaphor I saw on another forum:

An artist offers to paint you a picture of an apple if you pay him for it. He extols the many virtues of this apple picture repeatedly, and at great length, for months at a time. He makes you some very clear, totally unambiguous promises about what you can expect from his apple picture.

You're convinced, and so you agree to buy it. Maybe you paid for it a few months in advance, because you've enjoyed some of the other fruit paintings he's made in the past.

At last, your apple picture is finished. You pick it up, take it home, unwrap it...and it's a picture of a banana. And it's not a painting, either. When you examine it closely, you notice that it appears to have been hastily scribbled on a soiled Arby's napkin with a pink highlighter.

And when you complain that the artist did not deliver the apple picture you'd expected, he starts yelling, "Artistic integrity! ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!"

Even if the banana picture you received was the finest banana picture the world had ever seen, even if it had lovingly and painstakingly rendered on canvas by the hand of the God of Produce himself--and that is clearly not the case with this banana picture--the fact is, you didn't want a banana picture. It's not what you paid for. It's not what the artist spent all those months promising you. You have every right in the world to complain about the artist's work.

Frankly, you have every right to wonder if he has any integrity at all, artistic or otherwise.

And if, after you complain, he chooses to do nothing about it, you have every right to take your business to some other artist.

 

[Shinigami214]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

Whether Bioware mislead its consumers or not is not up for debate.

It is a *fact* that they did. One need only do basic research on these same forums for a collection of quotes, statements, and previews of how the game would end to know that they misled consumers.

The point is that if you're happy to let a company roll over your rights as a consumer, by all means, its your call.

Just don't expect others to be as submissive as you about it and hold back from seeing to it that their rights are respected.

Its more than 'just a fucking ending' - its an answer to games developers - indeed any company - who thinks it can release a product which does not meet up to the expectations created by its own advertising, that we as consumers won't put up with such half-assedness.

Its about having the self-respect to say: 'No goddamit. I paid good money for this product based on the promises you fed me about what the product would do. And I'll be damned if you think you can get away with taking my money while ignoring your end of the deal.'

If you still think 'whats the point', then there's no purpose in discussing this any further.

 

[Xenedus]

you people have absolutely no sense of risk. Buying a video game has the same risk you had when buying a music album in the 70's, and the same risk when you watch a movie today. no one is adventurous anymore.

Which is funny, because I don't remember any of the advertisement being about the nature of the ending of the game. Simply that the trilogy was ending.

MY GOD THANK GOD SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICED.
and theres another thing. at no point did any of the advertise if the ending would be affected by the choices in-game. so far no one has been able to provide evidence. or a link.

I put a link to a thread with a collection of links to quotes from interviews... obviously you didn't read it.

that isn't advertising. those were a bunch of interviews. Interviews fall under PR. the reason being is because they would make sure the interviewers would be provided with information that would be relevant to the topic of the interview. Advertising is showing it.

That is the most disingenuous statement I have read regarding the ME3 Endings debate as yet.

So you think that because a particular statement is 'PR', and not 'advertising' is OK to be misleading?

Bullshit. Any statement, interview, remark, or otherwise communication released by a company hyping a product should be held against the final product - be it PR or advertising.

By your logic, it means that a company can send out spokespersons to talk on TV talk shows, radio shows, podcasts and where-ever else to basically promise that a given product will not only blow you away, but will also wash your dishes, paint your walls, and fellate you on a nightly basis - and be justified in doing so.

What utter nonsense.

Companies *have* been found guilty and liable for misleading advertising in the past, and I am hopeful that there is a respectable chance that it'll happen again now.

Yes but Bioware didn't mislead you. They made a really good game. you've let hype surrounding it get to you. and everyone is just upset about the ending. And isn't that what Companies do anyway? Its all about selling the product, and selling the most amount of products. and since ME3's being treated like a product that can be changed, then i suppose yes you are all in your rights to say you were disappointed in the product. guy i give up whats the point. People just won't let it go. It's just a fucking ending. The only thing thats the problem is that Mass Effect 3 fell victim to Number 2 Peak Trilogy Syndrome.

Look at those quotes from their interviews... It's pretty obvious they lied. This isn't a case of the dev giving vague answers to questions this is flat out lies there really is no way around it. Just look up the quotes from their interviews they have been posted at least 3 times in this thread already.

 

[ChildishLegacy]

Part of me is wishing EA would give gamers another lesson about the reality of business so they'll ***** about something else.

My god, I can't believe there are people out there not only willing but even anxious to see their rights as consumers get trampled on.

You, sir, might be willing to give up your rights as a consumer, but don't look down on others who aren't.

That's really interesting, as most of the games I buy lately are EA and BioWare games. And I have yet to feel my consumer rights violated in any way (then again, Canada has different rights for consumers than the US does).

This isn't a farmer charging you $40 dollars for a loaf of bread. Games are a luxury item. Luxury items fall under different consumer rights than most other products.

Also, this is the reality of business:

Executive A: We have our customers paying $60 for our games. Is there a way to get them to pay $70?

Executive B: Increase the price and see if they still buy it.

There you go gamers. That's a basic idea of how publishers work. Now you know exactly how to stop them. Ball's in your court.

CAPTCHA: Know Your Rights

That's eerie...

Sense has been made. Fed up of hearing people moan about their rights as a consumer, it's £40, why can't you just get on with your day? I've bought multiple bad games/games I didn't like and didn't ask for a refund on, but for some reason, because a game PEOPLE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE GOOD had a bit of a bad ending, they think their "consumer rights" have been violated.

Honestly, when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world. If £40 means that much to you, read a fucking review before spending.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'm not sure when it became appropriate for someone to start a thread in the gaming forum that is just a straight up ad hominem attack directed at a portion of the community. Is this alright, now? Could I just draft up a thread entitled "Assholes" and sanctimoniously scold a cross section of people as befit the flavor of my moral outrage?

Putting aside for a moment that this is yet another ME3 thread warming over 3 week old arguments that could and should have been wrapped into an existing thread, I don't see any reason for this to exist except to generate conflict.

Reporting OP in hopes of a thread lock, not a warning, and reporting my own post so they'll know why.

 

[Xenedus]

Honestly, when people say they have rights as a consumer I just get sick with the world. If £40 means that much to you, read a fucking review before spending.

Funny you should mention that...