Well obviously if you release for all 3 systems you get more money.MaxPowers666 said:snip
I think theres more to the exclusivity concept then you are willing to take in, exclusives aren't JUST to attract users to the console, they are also a means of marketing, Ninetendo has learnt to do this well. Xbox made a name for itself purely by riding on the back of Halo, until 360 and its new games took over. Even to this day one Halo game outsells PS3 exclusives and some Nintendo exclusives, why? Because it is a flagship title, which is why Microsoft wants it to keep going on and on forever, so I'm not sure where you got the idea that exclusives are meaningless.darkcommanderq said:Well obviously if you release for all 3 systems you get more money.MaxPowers666 said:snip
My point is that if your going to have an exclusive, your going to make more money on it if you go for 360 and PC because they are essentially the same system.
The problem for the Ps3 is that it uses an entirely different architecture type, and therefore requires completely different code.
This means that you need to have a separate development cycle for the PS3. This is also why a lot of companies choose one type or the other and dont always make for both unless its a huge release.
I just hate exclusives because because the reason why they exist is to make money. I also see the number of exclusives for the PS3 that they proudly brag about in press releases as a highly negative thing.pulse2 said:snip
The irony being, of course, that multiplatform games make more money. Not exclusives. MS has just as many exclusives. And they only do it because they throw money at it. Sony might have exclusives but at least it doesn't pay for most of them.darkcommanderq said:You do realize that there are simply more xboxs in existence right?
Microsoft bribes aside, just from a marketing stand point its more profitable to make a game for the PC and Xbox360, since they are both X86 processor archtypes. One development cycle with some minor port tweaks and you have a single game for two platforms (with a total combined user base that FAR passes all the PS3s).
Granted gears probably wont be released to Pc for a while, but they did eventually port the first one to pc. (Im just saying they could port it to PC really easily if they wanted to).
Hears the truth PS3 kitties, your console has the fewest units sold out of the current 3 available. Sony knows this, and thats why they have the most exclusives out of everyone. I could say the EXACT same argument you just gave for gears about killzone3. They would have made more money if they had released that for 360 and pc than ps3 alone.
Actually one of the main reasons why I will never own a PS3 is because I hate companies that need to enslave tons of exclusives. Its a form of proprietary marketing and it needs to die off. (that and I disagree with sonies public policies)
Exclusives are to make money :/ But they are also there to sway potential buyers over to PS3, in my case it worked, so it can't all be a bad thing, I keep my PS3 because of the exclusives it has, I bought it because it had games I couldn't get on PC, Wii or 360, so is that so bad if it works?darkcommanderq said:I just hate exclusives because because the reason why they exist is to make money. I also see the number of exclusives for the PS3 that they proudly brag about in press releases as a highly negative thing.pulse2 said:snip
Exclusives mean to me that the console sucks and the only way the company can get people to buy it is though exclusive games.
I also am not naive, and I know that there not going away any time soon. If ever. Thats why I refuse to buy anything from sony. Its the only way I have of expressing my utter contempt for the company that I used to love on my PS2.
Seriously? You don't want Gears of War on the PS3 because you don't like it? It does no harm to you if it's added to the PS3 library, and there are plenty of PS3 owners who would like access to it.MaxPowers666 said:Il say it straight up this is purely my opinion. I played gears of war one and thought it was a rather terrible game. It was a bland cover based shooter with giant muscle men the size of coke machines. I probably should have said I dont want gears of war and left the on the ps3 part off. It being on the ps3 just means more crappy games I have to sift through while looking for something good.unabomberman said:Why? The game would certainly benefit from the added horsepower.MaxPowers666 said:Id say those are some dam good reasons, especially since I for one dont want it on the ps3.
Okay, not really: the graphics would; everything else would stay the same way.
Here is a hint buddy releasing something on the 360 alone gives you less of an install base then 360 and ps3. Its the same with if you did 360 and PC, that gives you less people then if you had done 360, PC, and ps3.darkcommanderq said:You do realize that there are simply more xboxs in existence right?
Microsoft bribes aside, just from a marketing stand point its more profitable to make a game for the PC and Xbox360, since they are both X86 processor archtypes. One development cycle with some minor port tweaks and you have a single game for two platforms (with a total combined user base that FAR passes all the PS3s).
Granted gears probably wont be released to Pc for a while, but they did eventually port the first one to pc. (Im just saying they could port it to PC really easily if they wanted to).
Hears the truth PS3 kitties, your console has the fewest units sold out of the current 3 available. Sony knows this, and thats why they have the most exclusives out of everyone. I could say the EXACT same argument you just gave for gears about killzone3. They would have made more money if they had released that for 360 and pc than ps3 alone.
Actually one of the main reasons why I will never own a PS3 is because I hate companies that need to enslave tons of exclusives. Its a form of proprietary marketing and it needs to die off. (that and I disagree with sonies public policies)
That is a really strange opinion you have on exclusives and I have to say I disagree with it. Some companies do not want to work on multiple platforms. If they are only going to develop games on one of them then why not choose the company they have been working with for the past 5 or 6 years.
-.- thats the entire point though, If every title were cross platform then there wouldnt be much point in there being several consoles. The PS3 exclusives are a great lineup of games which actually pursuaded me to buy a PS3 after i got my 360darkcommanderq said:I just hate exclusives because because the reason why they exist is to make money. I also see the number of exclusives for the PS3 that they proudly brag about in press releases as a highly negative thing.pulse2 said:snip
Exclusives mean to me that the console sucks and the only way the company can get people to buy it is though exclusive games.
I also am not naive, and I know that there not going away any time soon. If ever. Thats why I refuse to buy anything from sony. Its the only way I have of expressing my utter contempt for the company that I used to love on my PS2.
especially on gears, having co op and horde mode cross platforms?Wolfram01 said:Seems like a good reason to stick to MS to me.
I just think it'll be nice if we can ever play PS3 and Xbox online together.
Then you caved and gave sony money because of proprietary marketing. If you can live with the BS that buying a sony product comes with go for it. However sony is not going to change its behavior until people stop buying there products.The_Blue_Rider said:-.- thats the entire point though, If every title were cross platform then there wouldnt be much point in there being several consoles. The PS3 exclusives are a great lineup of games which actually pursuaded me to buy a PS3 after i got my 360darkcommanderq said:I just hate exclusives because because the reason why they exist is to make money. I also see the number of exclusives for the PS3 that they proudly brag about in press releases as a highly negative thing.pulse2 said:snip
Exclusives mean to me that the console sucks and the only way the company can get people to buy it is though exclusive games.
I also am not naive, and I know that there not going away any time soon. If ever. Thats why I refuse to buy anything from sony. Its the only way I have of expressing my utter contempt for the company that I used to love on my PS2.
Yes it is. You paid 600+ bucks that you wouldnt have had to pay, had the developers made the game cross platform.pulse2 said:I keep my PS3 because of the exclusives it has, I bought it because it had games I couldn't get on PC, Wii or 360, so is that so bad if it works?
While I don't completely disagree with what points you are trying to make I wanted to point out that you are completely wrong about porting Gears to the PC. I thought it was common knowledge by now but the 360 and PS3 both share a PowerPC core which basically means that they are technically more alike; which also means they are *NOT* x86 in even the broadest sense. I could also point out that Microsoft aped Sony and Toshiba by hiring IBM to build their processor from the same early draft of the Cell but that is another discussion entirely.darkcommanderq said:You do realize that there are simply more xboxs in existence right?
Microsoft bribes aside, just from a marketing stand point its more profitable to make a game for the PC and Xbox360, since they are both X86 processor archtypes. One development cycle with some minor port tweaks and you have a single game for two platforms (with a total combined user base that FAR passes all the PS3s).
Granted gears probably wont be released to Pc for a while, but they did eventually port the first one to pc. (Im just saying they could port it to PC really easily if they wanted to).
Hears the truth PS3 kitties, your console has the fewest units sold out of the current 3 available. Sony knows this, and thats why they have the most exclusives out of everyone. I could say the EXACT same argument you just gave for gears about killzone3. They would have made more money if they had released that for 360 and pc than ps3 alone.
Actually one of the main reasons why I will never own a PS3 is because I hate companies that need to enslave tons of exclusives. Its a form of proprietary marketing and it needs to die off. (that and I disagree with sonies public policies)
Yeah I did forget the 360 was powerPC, but at least its an established processor that people have been writing games on for many years before they choose to run with it. The PS3 uses the Cell which is not a typical powerPC, which I also thought was common knowledge.spider-dork said:While I don't completely disagree with what points you are trying to make I wanted to point out that you are completely wrong about porting Gears to the PC. I thought it was common knowledge by now but the 360 and PS3 both share a PowerPC core which basically means that they are technically more alike; which also means they are *NOT* x86 in even the broadest sense. I could also point out that Microsoft aped Sony and Toshiba by hiring IBM to build their processor from the same early draft of the Cell but that is another discussion entirely.darkcommanderq said:You do realize that there are simply more xboxs in existence right?
Microsoft bribes aside, just from a marketing stand point its more profitable to make a game for the PC and Xbox360, since they are both X86 processor archtypes. One development cycle with some minor port tweaks and you have a single game for two platforms (with a total combined user base that FAR passes all the PS3s).
Granted gears probably wont be released to Pc for a while, but they did eventually port the first one to pc. (Im just saying they could port it to PC really easily if they wanted to).
Hears the truth PS3 kitties, your console has the fewest units sold out of the current 3 available. Sony knows this, and thats why they have the most exclusives out of everyone. I could say the EXACT same argument you just gave for gears about killzone3. They would have made more money if they had released that for 360 and pc than ps3 alone.
Actually one of the main reasons why I will never own a PS3 is because I hate companies that need to enslave tons of exclusives. Its a form of proprietary marketing and it needs to die off. (that and I disagree with sonies public policies)
Oh and btw PC port of Gears probably wont happen this late in the production cycle, just sayin'.
Unreal Engine 3 games usually don't look better on the PS3, if anything they usually look worse. However Epic has shown that they themselves are good at working on the PS3 with the work they did on UT3. That said, I still don't expect the PS3 to benefit, except perhaps for getting keyboard and mouse support.unabomberman said:Why? The game would certainly benefit from the added horsepower.MaxPowers666 said:Id say those are some dam good reasons, especially since I for one dont want it on the ps3.
Okay, not really: the graphics would; everything else would stay the same way.
Maybe because so far i have seen nothing wrong with Sony? Because i happen to enjoy their exclusive line up of games? The same way i also enjoy the 360's exclusives?darkcommanderq said:Then you caved and gave sony money because of proprietary marketing. If you can live with the BS that buying a sony product comes with go for it. However sony is not going to change its behavior until people stop buying there products.The_Blue_Rider said:-.- thats the entire point though, If every title were cross platform then there wouldnt be much point in there being several consoles. The PS3 exclusives are a great lineup of games which actually pursuaded me to buy a PS3 after i got my 360darkcommanderq said:I just hate exclusives because because the reason why they exist is to make money. I also see the number of exclusives for the PS3 that they proudly brag about in press releases as a highly negative thing.pulse2 said:snip
Exclusives mean to me that the console sucks and the only way the company can get people to buy it is though exclusive games.
I also am not naive, and I know that there not going away any time soon. If ever. Thats why I refuse to buy anything from sony. Its the only way I have of expressing my utter contempt for the company that I used to love on my PS2.
There is no single game on any system that I will go and buy a new system for. When I console shop I buy the system that I think will have the most titles period. This generation its the 360. If I had had money to buy a PS3 at the time I got my 360 I would have just built a gaming PC. (Which I did later when I had more money).
I dont even understand why sony blew there firm grounding in that position with the ps2. To many changes to quickly I quess.