Erradicate DLC ?
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DLC isn't always for extra profit. Sometimes it for companies to try to break even. Unless its a unicorn DLC. <3
I more or less agreed with this, until I played Dragon Age 2. That is a game that is obviously created for the sole purpose of selling DLC. So many fun things happen offscreen (like your entire first year in Kirkwall, where you apparently rose to the top of an organization and made a ton of friends) and two time-skips pretty much guarantee that they were intending to sell ludicrous amounts of DLC to just finish the basic plot of the game. Though whether they follow through on that, given the lukewarm reception of the game, remains to be seen.Tubez said:
Also, even if DLC is entirely original content, the gameplay to money ratio is usually much much much much lower than the original game or traditional expansion packs. There have, of course, been good examples DLC (usually just being downloadable expansion packs, like Shivering Isles) and bad examples of expansion packs. But on the whole, you're getting ripped off.
i don't see why skin/sprite changes would be so different to the modding concept.Hyper-space said:
There is good DLC and bad DLC I agree and certainly they can nickle and dime you on it. But.. DLC does adds gameplay without having to buy a whole new game that really is just the newer version. So I like DLC.. IF priced right!
And that way game developers make money longer ... ..it has to be in balance with things though. Yes certain times games had DLC that is pathetic.. adding very little to the game or story and yet costing easily $10. That is sad! That is bad DLC.. Dragon Age for instance has some terrible DLC. The game itself is great but the DLC is suckage.. it just doesn't fits.
But there is also good DLC. That offers you the chance to go back into a real good game.. with some good added content for a good price.
So in the end it is the price that does it.. sometimes DLC is worth it others times it is utter nickle and diming.
And yes the "download an unlock key" DLC is the worst... if the content is already on the disk you should be able to play it.
And that way game developers make money longer ... ..it has to be in balance with things though. Yes certain times games had DLC that is pathetic.. adding very little to the game or story and yet costing easily $10. That is sad! That is bad DLC.. Dragon Age for instance has some terrible DLC. The game itself is great but the DLC is suckage.. it just doesn't fits.
But there is also good DLC. That offers you the chance to go back into a real good game.. with some good added content for a good price.
So in the end it is the price that does it.. sometimes DLC is worth it others times it is utter nickle and diming.
And yes the "download an unlock key" DLC is the worst... if the content is already on the disk you should be able to play it.
I'm going to completely dismiss that dismissive tone ("if you tell me its [sic] impossible you are wrong") and simply say that I would love to hear how you managed to do that.lbucyk said:
You are advocating for the complete removal of ALL DLCs, i am saying that despite some of them being sucky, they replace the awful full-priced-only-with-a-few-skin-changes. If someone can make modding the console-version of games easier, great. But what we are talking about is DLCs and whether or not they should be removed entirely.Orcus The Ultimate said:
Are you for real? Why do you think ME2 dropped on 2 discs (at standard price I might add)? There was literally no room left on either disc. Would you rather have to swap between 3 discs just to access one extra mission?RedEyesBlackGamer said:
Besides, the core story of ME2 was crap since it told you everything you needed to know on the back of the case (except the plot twist, of course). Almost the entire narrative came from the characters you recruited.
There's still some companies that release free "dlc", i don't see where's the problem really; you reward the players for being interested in your game by giving them a "treat" so they get some more stuff to do in the game (this is mostly a nowadays thing, since games have such a reduced lifetime, just like anything else in our capitalistic system of consuming, following the Toyotism era, where the idea of obsolescence is reflected effectively when we compare products we used to buy 30 or 40 years ago, and now: buy any aparatus and most of the time, after 5 years the device no longer serves) and get hyped for future releases of your games; instead it gets counterproductive, the way i see it.Hyper-space said:
It all depends on the game, for example if it's DA's awakening then fine i don't mind because it offers at least 3 hours of gameplay, where if it's something like oblivions horse armor (i admit i did buy but i am a fan of elder scrolls so i support them) then no i don't agree with it.
I'd be with the OP 100% if I saw much evidence of "paying full price for half a game" so they can fill in the holes with DLC later, but looking at my game shelf, I don't see that at all. There are 3 main types of DLC I've seen for games I own.
There's the FPS Map packs, like CoD and Halo's offerings, definitely not worth much more than $7, all things considered. Then you have the seperate, optional, side stories for games like Dragon Age or Fallout, that have little to nothing to do with the main story. Finally, you have all the miscellaneous packs; character packs for fighting games, cars and tracks for Racers, songs for Music games, and special weapons and gear for games like Crackdown.
The closest thing I think I've ever seen to what the OP mentioned would be in Assassin's Creed 2. You're playing through the main story, then partway through you get an error and have to skip over two memory sequences. You can tell that Ubisoft was leaving an opening for DLC there that they were obviously aware of while the game was in development.
The two sequences were completely irrelevant to the overall story (sure, stuff happens, but when you play through both of them, Ezio ends up exactly in the same situation as he was when he started, there's not even any character development for him), but if the events of those two years had been, for example, Ezzio kills everyone but the Spaniard and discovers he has to journey to England now to find him, and if you don't play the DLC you just start the next sequence in the middle of London with no explanation but a few lines of dialogue..... That would be the kind of situation that would make me feel like I'd been ripped off.
My big worry is that if "Free" 2 Play games (like what is rumored is coming to the 360 next year) become the industry standard, you could end up getting the first 10 levels of gameplay and story for little to no cost, and then you have to buy every 3-5 levels after that for $10 a piece.
There's the FPS Map packs, like CoD and Halo's offerings, definitely not worth much more than $7, all things considered. Then you have the seperate, optional, side stories for games like Dragon Age or Fallout, that have little to nothing to do with the main story. Finally, you have all the miscellaneous packs; character packs for fighting games, cars and tracks for Racers, songs for Music games, and special weapons and gear for games like Crackdown.
The closest thing I think I've ever seen to what the OP mentioned would be in Assassin's Creed 2. You're playing through the main story, then partway through you get an error and have to skip over two memory sequences. You can tell that Ubisoft was leaving an opening for DLC there that they were obviously aware of while the game was in development.
The two sequences were completely irrelevant to the overall story (sure, stuff happens, but when you play through both of them, Ezio ends up exactly in the same situation as he was when he started, there's not even any character development for him), but if the events of those two years had been, for example, Ezzio kills everyone but the Spaniard and discovers he has to journey to England now to find him, and if you don't play the DLC you just start the next sequence in the middle of London with no explanation but a few lines of dialogue..... That would be the kind of situation that would make me feel like I'd been ripped off.
My big worry is that if "Free" 2 Play games (like what is rumored is coming to the 360 next year) become the industry standard, you could end up getting the first 10 levels of gameplay and story for little to no cost, and then you have to buy every 3-5 levels after that for $10 a piece.
