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James Cameron isn't just one of the driving forces of pop culture, he obviously is a big fan of what others put out there beside himself (as the reference to Unobtanium made blindingly obvious).
Not only is the plot his take on the 'Mighty Whitey' trope(the only hope of the Noble Savages is one of the hostile heavily armed aliens is one of those very aliens though this time from across the ocean of stars rather than the waves of the Atlantic)but the Na'vi are unmistakably the Ronso tribe from Final Fantasy X though more evolved from Lemur-like prosimians rather than lions (and no unicorn horns), the mechs look as if they come straight out of Mech Warrior or Starship Troopers and the mounts look like the dragons from Panzer Dragoon.
Like anything else created in such a way, the sum is greater than its parts. God of War and the entire filmography of Quentin Tarantino don't have an original idea between them but they make up for it in style.

Greater writers than James Cameron realized the futility of trying to be completely original, especially if what they want to accomplish doesn't require a whole new kind of narrative. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thirty-Six_Dramatic_Situations
The plot is as similar to Dances with Wolves or Last of the Mohicans or The Last Samurai as Full Metal Alchemist is to Suikoden 3 (with True Runes swapped out for Philosopher's Stones and Yuber for Homonculi). His greatest success to date was a trite love story shoehorned into historical fiction, so it isn't as if unoriginality is going to hurt him. He already paid his dues with The Terminator, anyway.

Maybe he really wanted to get people to consider the environmental message, I don't know. He definitely seemed to want to get people to leave their comfort zones a little including what they allow themselves to find attractive. It was no accident that Jake's Avatar was a hybrid between man and Na'vi (bridging the gap before seeing the real thing...so to speak)and that he had himself a nice long run wearing nothing but a hospital gown. It was even less accident that even their ancestor species resembles lemurs, one of our species evolutionary cousins. He didn't challenge expectations too much on what kind of plot you can have in such a movie, but one thing at a time.
Really, I suspect that he mostly just wanted to entertain us with the dazzling visuals (made possible by the latest IMAX cameras and multi-million dollar silicon workstations. No trees were harmed in the filming of the movie!)and the novel ideas added to the well worn tale. The Home Tree was nifty even if just a sci-fi version of a sacred tree. So was the whole 'Hair is a literal antenna to God/dess' idea.

Of course, that aside, Cameron's a big enough wheel to have gotten characterization in Hollywood movies turning in a new direction but he chose the safe path.

I, too, have had enough with seeing aliens behaving so much like humans, convergent evolution or no. At least he could have made up a new culture to go along with to differences in anatomy and atmosphere for the humans to clash with...or explain it away as the influence of imported human land revering cultures, maybe even by way of some Native American character. The primary conflicts could have been more internal, between the teachings of different groups of missionaries. If the Na'vi had been less human in behavior, the last scene would have made a more powerful statement. I doubt that it would have been on par with the last scene of The Island of Doctor Moreau but it would have been up there.
Wait, wasn't there an Escapist article about this anthropocentrism in sci-fi? Oh, here it is.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_140/3009-Mass-Effect-Saves-Humanity-for-What

To its credit, the movie stayed away from the tired Humans as underdog garbage that hamstrings most man vs. aliens movies. Our species hasn't been underdogs since we discovered metal working if not earlier when we discovered fire.

Comparing it to another movie of the same type that came out this year: the Na'vi were infinitely less annoying than those blasted Prawn,Jake was far more endearing than Wikus,the mech scenes were about dead even (one featuring one mech making a stand against dozens of attackers while the other had a knife fight between faux-Ronso and Mech that ends with a guy getting skewered on gigantic arrows. That was practically worth the price of admission right there!) and setting it on a distant planet made its analogue to real world events less painful to endure, giving it a bit of an edge over District 9. (The fact that it didn't have Nigerian crime lords with pet hyenas and a craving for humanoid flesh might also have tipped it further towards favorable for me!)


Watch it in IMAX, preferably with non-sci-fi geeks, and you'll enjoy yourself. There's nothing quite like getting someone from a housing project to watch and thoroughly enjoy a movie that doesn't 'keep it real'! Cameron most certainly did something right if Avatar could manage that.
 

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7.5 at best, not trying to be clever, but it IS the same story we've heard thousands of times, so i didnt really need to see james cameron wank off infront of me for almost 3 hours. bob brings up the point of the movie being better with a few twists and turns and hes right, another problem i have is the whole "here comes the cavalry" at the end with the all mother, why did she wait, if she was going to intervene, why not do it right away, i know maybe im looking for too much realism out of this film, but isnt that wat we want to see in a story told that many times? something new? graphics arent enough to make this movie amazing, 3D or not, the movie was good, go see it, it was a GOOD movie, but i hope it doesnt win awards, because it doesnt deserve them, predictable.
 

imburke

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and if the word unobtainium doesnt make this movie go down at least a point and a half for everyone, thats sad.
 

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bartholen said:
"The plot was kept so basic to not distract us from all this immersion"?????!!!!????

I laughed my ass off when I saw Avatar's trailer. If there's one thing I can't stand about movies, it's clichés. What does Avatar have that hasn't been done a billion times before? Kinda reminds me of Gears of War: compensating poor story with amazing visuals. If I don't care about the characters or their motivations, I can't give less of a shit about the rest of the whole movie.

Please, somebody tell me that Avatar has some unique twist, turn, moment, character, new idea or ANYTHING that would make me want to watch massive battle scenes again. What I've seen thus far doesn't give away any of the previously mentioned.

And before you all start ripping my post to pieces: my opinion is based entirely on what I've seen and heard about the movie, I haven't seen it.
It certainly isn't a movie of cliches. Yes, the story is familiar to people who have a good base of film knowledge or literature knowledge for that matter, but the characters really are interesting and the world really does immerse the viewer. The action bits are kept to a minimum, and really only appear in significant doses in the last quarter. Avatar is definitely worth at least one viewing.
 

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I hate how people say "o its just like dances with wolves" we already know that, even james cameron knew that. He didnt say his story was original. If he did, then it would be. But what he did was one of the best adaptations of that theme anyone has done in a long time.

And imburke not to call you out or anything but,

How could you not think the Special Effects were not amazing. Name one movie that had character models that were that good.
 

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DND Judgement said:
screw that, it IS a masterpiece... the moment i stepped out of the cinema the first time i knew i wanted to see it again immediately... never before have a i felt like that with a film... i mean sure i've wanted to go see movies again in the past but i'm talking after a few days of contemplation but this i just had to see again right away... and so i've now seen it 3 times... i'm not sure if i should be ashamed of myself...
Don't be, I know exactly what you mean. I've seen it twice, and I'm getting it on bluray. This film is just epic, like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. The scope and execution is just indescribable. For all the people concerned with plot, it is not as bad as it looks.
 

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JaymesFogarty said:
DND Judgement said:
screw that, it IS a masterpiece... the moment i stepped out of the cinema the first time i knew i wanted to see it again immediately... never before have a i felt like that with a film... i mean sure i've wanted to go see movies again in the past but i'm talking after a few days of contemplation but this i just had to see again right away... and so i've now seen it 3 times... i'm not sure if i should be ashamed of myself...
Don't be, I know exactly what you mean. I've seen it twice, and I'm getting it on bluray. This film is just epic, like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. The scope and execution is just indescribable. For all the people concerned with plot, it is not as bad as it looks.
i'm buying a PS3 so i can watch it on blu ray... i can tell it'll be disappointing on normal DVD...
 

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This movie is awesome and if get the chance the watch it in 3-D do it
 

sieve5

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WELL
This is now my favorite movie of all time, I saw it at the Imax in 3D (which is the only way anyone should see it) it was amazing. The foliage in the movie was so well done, it made me believe (subconciously) that it existed almost. I pray james cameron can make a sequal that can match the quality that Avatar has shown.
 

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Am I the only one with a lingering suspicion that James Cameron and whoever else wrote this has been playing too much WoW?

It's scantily clad night elves and Teladrasil in space.
 

Russian Redneck

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I never saw Dances With Wolves but throughout the film I kept thinking, "My God, this is like an allegory to the Native Americans vs. Pioneers conflicts of the 19th century. Oh ho, me is observant!" *eats Milk Duds*
 

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sieve5 said:
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This is now my favorite movie of all time, I saw it at the Imax in 3D (which is the only way anyone should see it) it was amazing. The foliage in the movie was so well done, it made me believe (subconciously) that it existed almost. I pray james cameron can make a sequal that can match the quality that Avatar has shown.
Unfortunately, i think if a sequel is done, it will either be very predictable, or they will add so much extras in that the movie will be bursting at the scenes.

I do agree with you that the movie is FANTASTIC. Just got home from watching it then in 3D and i was amazed. Its an entirely new concept that explores something that is almost a taboo these days: spiritual growth.

now before u crucify me for saying this, think about it. he starts out as someone begrudgingly taking the job because his brother died feeling drained. As he meets the natives, he begins to embrace their lifestyle and way of living. the further along he gets, the more and more he understands how they relate to nature, and tells us that we dont have that connection, because back at earth, they have no green (this is a quote, but not word for word... its in one of his journal entries). as the movie goes on, he becomes more aware that the enemy is not the natives, but the ones that are destroying mother nature so they can sell the metal.

this whole story is a symbol of someone growing from having no spiritual life, to a man that has fulfilled his journey, moving from his former body (the one who was spiritually dead) to his new body.

as said before, i really enjoyed this movie, and will not hesitate to see it again.
 

wooty

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Went to see it yesterday ina 3d veiwing, ok the storyline is pretty basic and predictable, but this film really cannot be beaten on pure immersion and quality. Thoroughly enjoyed every eye watering minute
 

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I don't know. I kind of liked it, but it was far from the best movie I have ever seen, even this year.

I just wish the plot was as good as the rest of the movie. I can kind of see the point behind having such a generic story, but it really didn't do it for me :(
 

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sieve5 said:
I pray james cameron can make a sequal that can match the quality that Avatar has shown.
I pray to God that he leaves the movie as-is. So far as I'm concerned, Avatar sits with District 9 in the category of "Absolutely phenomenal films that have room for sequels but would be much better off alone."
 

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DND Judgement said:
JaymesFogarty said:
DND Judgement said:
screw that, it IS a masterpiece... the moment i stepped out of the cinema the first time i knew i wanted to see it again immediately... never before have a i felt like that with a film... i mean sure i've wanted to go see movies again in the past but i'm talking after a few days of contemplation but this i just had to see again right away... and so i've now seen it 3 times... i'm not sure if i should be ashamed of myself...
Don't be, I know exactly what you mean. I've seen it twice, and I'm getting it on bluray. This film is just epic, like the Lord Of The Rings trilogy. The scope and execution is just indescribable. For all the people concerned with plot, it is not as bad as it looks.
i'm buying a PS3 so i can watch it on blu ray... i can tell it'll be disappointing on normal DVD...
Good call, on Blu ray it will be mental!
 

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I saw this movie last night. I couldn't stand it. I can't see why everyone likes it so much. The movie just felt so generic, predictable and over done. After watching this movie, I really wanted to see District 9 again, just to get the bad taste out of my mouth. The Pawns are way cooler than those annoying Na'vis (I think that's what their called. The natives are one of the reasons why I hated the movie. They are just so fucking annoying!).
 

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letsnoobtehpwns said:
I saw this movie last night. I couldn't stand it. I can't see why everyone likes it so much. The movie just felt so generic, predictable and over done. After watching this movie, I really wanted to see District 9 again, just to get the bad taste out of my mouth. The Pawns are way cooler than those annoying Na'vis (I think that's what their called. The natives are one of the reasons why I hated the movie. They are just so fucking annoying!).
And you probably never will because you expect too much out of the movies you see.
 

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Russian Redneck said:
letsnoobtehpwns said:
I saw this movie last night. I couldn't stand it. I can't see why everyone likes it so much. The movie just felt so generic, predictable and over done. After watching this movie, I really wanted to see District 9 again, just to get the bad taste out of my mouth. The Pawns are way cooler than those annoying Na'vis (I think that's what their called. The natives are one of the reasons why I hated the movie. They are just so fucking annoying!).
And you probably never will because you expect too much out of the movies you see?
So, I'll never see District 9 again because I didn't like Avatar because I "expect too much out of the movies see"? Funny, I like Paranormal Activity and that only costed $15,000 to make.