Escape to the Movies: Captain America

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Aiddon_v1legacy

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JoelChenFA said:
If you are a typical movie viewer I don't think you'll bother with wanting every single little detail to be explained. Cause that what the tie-ins do no?
When said details involve incredibly critical plot points, you MUST tell them. No exceptions. Even a comic mini-series must stand on its own without using tie-ins as a crutch. It's what cripples some events comics and Marvel is no stranger to bungled crap like that
 

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Oh ..... so I guess it's not just incidental that while watching Cap'n America, I was reminded of the no-irony stylings of the protagonist in The Rocketeer. And I love it. Don't get me wrong, sometimes you need heroes who are snarky, reluctant or psychotic... but it's refreshing to see an honest-to-goodness Good Guy.

I also like the whole Avenger tie-in, as Bob pointed out. It lets one movie establish a premise that works perfectly within that movie (i.e. Thor setting up the whole "magic is real" concept) so that other movies can use some of those points, without devoting an entire movie to explaining them.

Kinda like the Harry Potter continuity. Discounting the book to movie translations, the series of 8 movies allowed for certain characters, spells, locations, etc to all be fully realized in early movies, thereby freeing up more time for *BOOOOM* in the climactic finale
 

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I don't get the hubbub over the macguffin not being explained in detail. It didn't need to be for the movie to stand on it's own. All you really needed to know was that it was incredibly powerful, and that's all that was explained. Going beyond that does nothing for a first time viewer, because that detail really doesn't matter unless you've been following the continuity. So long as the Avengers movie can tie all the little plot strings together while detailing the parts that need explaining for the movie to stand on it's own, it'll do fine.
 

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Can't wait to see this one. As much as I love irony, some movies, the greatest in my opinion, are refreshingly true of heart. This is what makes LotR great and for a movie like Captain America, I think it's the only viable approach
 

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manic_depressive13 said:
This makes me wish I'd gone to watch Thor despite not having any friends to see it with. Oh well. I suppose I'll just go see this one (alone...forever) and hope that I haven't missed so much that it's incomprehensible.
The Norse gods were actually aliens so advanced that their tech seems like magic to humans. That's all you need to know.
 

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wooty said:
Hmmm, interest in this flick...rising. Plus, was that Tommy-Lee Jones? Never knew he was in this, only adds points to overall interest.
TLJ is just about the best bit of the whole movie. He plays the grizzled old veteran colonel in charge of Cap's unit and the R&D behind the super-soldier program. He's basically Nick Fury's predecessor, and whenever he's on screen, he owns it.
 

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Despite the glowing review, I'm going to pass on this. Why? Exactly why you think; it's Captain America and I'm not American. Any movie where the over-idealized nice guy is wrapped up in a flag, of any country mind you, you're just going to piss-off everyone outside of that country with it. It doesn't hurt that this movie also contains every element of ultra-Americana imaginable: Flag ever present? Check; Over-Emphasizing America's role in WWII? Check; Overly nice main character shown as the quintessential American? Check.

This I won't watch a movie about a hero who might beat his chest to fact he's an American couldn't be futher from the truth. Captain America has never been that character. He tries to embody the ideals we are supposed to strive for, and has regularly told the US government where to get off. He's basically Optimus Prime if he were an American soldier. He never grinds the fact he's American in your face (his outfit does for him.) , and is humble, brave and what you'd want in a hero. Superman without being as self righeous. (You can have peace, you just don't want it bad enough... up yours superman 4.)

Someone could made this movie about a soldier from any other country (I'd gladly watched a movie about a Russian, French or Brit super soldier who embodied everything Cap does.) who who fought the Nazi's during world war 2, and would still had the same emotional hook as it's universal. While I'm sure there's thing about the film that come across easier to Americans dealing with the history of WW2 from the American Point of view (like how he's used as a proganda machine, which is originally all Cap was back in WW2, but the character evolved beyond that.) but none of it is a requirement to enjoy the film as it's a accurate period piece to the setting outside of the "comic book" elements of the story.

One of my friends I game with despite being born in the US, was raised in Japan for the majority of her life. She can't stand the whole America is better than the rest of the world because we're awesome(basically what World Police Satires.) bit either.(she's cool when Japan does it though haha. The irony is she's black.) Captain America is one of her favorite characters because Steve Rodgers is a great human being of conviction and heart who never quits. Not George Bush in a costume with super powers. Ironman is actually more of the Character who embodies American traits people hate than Captain America. (RDJ such a charming Bastard he gets away with it though haha.)

Edit :I agree with Bob's assessment, It's the best you could ever hope for in a Captain America Movie. It's faithful to comic, and manages to fit all that's needed into the film.
 

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I thought it was good, but not as good as Bob made it sound. Not sure why, but I ended up not getting very invested in the characters, and Red Skull was way over the top.

I did like the line Bob paraphrased, though. "I don't wanna kill anyone, I just don't like bullies."
 

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I agree. Captain America was a really good movie. A lot better than I gave it credit for. I personally liked how they tied in Iron Man by having Tony's dad in there.

Also,

MovieBob: "Hailee Atwell, holy shit."

Seconded. That woman is a fox.
 

Hito-Chan

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Guys, did I watch a different movie?

...Guys?

It's just, the movie I saw was a passable summer action flick- things exploded, people got punched in the face, and the plot, continuity, and character development pretty much sat it out.

I mean, the first act seemed like it was in a completely different movie than the other two; the 1940's visual aesthetic was completely abandoned as soon as Hydra showed up, never to be seen again, and everyone pretty much got spray-painted dark knight batman costumes. Actually, EVERYTHING about Hydra pretty much makes no sense. They have all this technology that looks pretty much modern, but no one's heard about it; they have an army rivaling the Clones in size and lack of human response, who ostensibly spend all their time standing in rows in warehouses; they have magic space lasers, but instead of shooting Cap point blank they hit him with the butts; and when the allies kill hundreds of the expendable buggers, they stay with their six-shot pistols rather than pick up the magic infinite disintegration rays from space. Plus, the guy who plays Howard Stark is woefully miscast, earnest and a bit outspoken rather than the larger-than-life 40's business tycoon his lines were clearly written for. And there were sometimes bizarre jump-cuts, like the ones the Oceans series did really well- you know, team is talking about the plan, then all of a sudden they're carrying out the plan- except instead of that, they're just planning and then all of a sudden it cuts to them jumping off things and punching other things and then Cap throws his shield at something, and then they cut back and go, "Right, that's six military bases down."

I mean, it wasn't bad. But it was really only average- I couldn't see much that was all that special about it.
 

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Varya said:
Can't wait to see this one. As much as I love irony, some movies, the greatest in my opinion, are refreshingly true of heart. This is what makes LotR great and for a movie like Captain America, I think it's the only viable approach
You did not just compare Captain America to Lord of the Rings?
 

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moviedork said:
Varya said:
Can't wait to see this one. As much as I love irony, some movies, the greatest in my opinion, are refreshingly true of heart. This is what makes LotR great and for a movie like Captain America, I think it's the only viable approach
You did not just compare Captain America to Lord of the Rings?
He said they both featured characters that are basically "true of heart". That is something they share...characters that are basically "good guys".
 

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What I learned about Captain America:
1) steroids are awesome
2) people from the past are never freaked out from after waking up
3) Shields need to be on ropes attached to your wrist just in case
 

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Just came back from seeing it. It was alright. Not TDK or Iron Man good, but a far cry from Fantastic Four or Wolverine awful. I'd give this one a solid 3.5/5.

I would've given it a 4/5 if they hadn't completely abandoned the '40s aesthetic under the pretext that Stark and Hydra technology is just that much more advanced. Okay, sure, by what does this more advanced technology precisely resemble that of today's headsets/sniper rifles/etc.? Wouldn't Stark have built it with the design aesthetic of his own time? It seems a tawdry excuse for lack of creativity, frankly.

Also, the action is extremely uninspired. Much of it - like the motorcycle chase sequence - is jacked directly from other films, it isn't exciting because Captain America is never really in danger, ever, and most of it is written right out by a montage in the middle of the film.

The characters are severely underdeveloped. I get that Captain America is the quintessential Good Guy from Brooklyn who wants to join the army, sure, but who is Penny? Why is she there? What does she do for the research team? We know she's a good shot, but why? Where did she learn it? What motivates her (aside from her crush on the hero)?

And what was the point of his merry band of ethnic stereotypes? They don't actually accomplish anything outside of the one montage, and even then it's almost always things the hero could have done himself. They could have been replaced by anyone with a gun.

Thor did all of these things right - maintaining the aesthetic, developing all of the main cast, having the minor characters contribute meaningfully - why didn't this film?
 

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Can it really be that good? Gee. It's hard to believe it. It's as rare for such a thing to happen in film, it's almost like saying you have played a true to form super hero video game.

You cannot believe it, unless you play it (meaning Arkham Asylum).

I am totally sold on this movie. Hope it lives up to the hype.

P.S. Thor was pretty good too.
 

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Hydra= Iron fist. IIIRROONNN FFIISSTTT.

I really want to see this now. Shame I go on holiday as soon as the film comes out.
 

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RLM review:

http://redlettermedia.com/half-in-the-bag/captain-america-and-the-rocketeer/

"The latest feature-length trailer for The Avengers". That pretty much describes every Marvel Studios movie since Iron Man in a nutshell.
 

eljawa

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But...I mean Im glad your inner fanboy was pleased...but the film had absolutely no depth. Call in sincere if you will, but its a trait of bad filmmaking. The movie just feels like one massive setup for the Avengers (which looks awesome. I mean, it had good action scenes...and some good performances...but it amounted to nothing because the movie fails to make me care about the characters.

and this is not the best Marvel movie. The first Spiderman was. That was a good superhero movie done perfectly. Same goes for the second spiderman. Hell i liked the third better than this (not by much though).

And X-Men was better too (first class and the first two movies)

sorry movie bob, I really cant trust your opinion anymore
 

Panda Mania

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Really? Would this movie be as good in the eyes of a non-comic book fan? Someone who thinks the very name of "Captain America" sounds ridiculous? Seriously, I truly want to know if the perfection comes only with predispositions and rose-colored glasses...