Escape to the Movies: Iron Lady

[Cat of Doom]

As a (mostly) conservative supporter (well more of a labour and lib dem hater) and a great admirer margeret thatcher I was really hyped up to see this. However, the lack of political depth and background made it a huge disappointment. By going into little detail on her political wins and fails and only showing them from her prospective, you couldn't understand why her decisions (in my opinion mostly correct and necessary decisions) provoked such strong reactions from the working class, such as the minors. Her lack of compassion, disdain and arrogance doesn't sit well with me.I respect her in a way for doing what was best for the country, despite popular opinion (especially up north), though this film portray her as to perfect, and focused far too much on her battles with dementia, rather her politics career.

for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.

He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.

Ha! I got the message to say I'd been quoted and was certain someone was going to be accusing me of exaggerating! Guess not

Also, Scotland don't go! I really like our flag

Yes you are over exaggerating, and you know you are. Bin larden is a universally hated and evil figure, while many (especially southerners, funnily enough where there are no mining towns) find her actions applaudable. I know her actions were brash and harsh, but were mostly for the best. In fact I believe Britain could use another political figure such as her instead of our current (and former) dithering, soft, incompetent, lying government. Can't be fucked to argue politics here, but at least when there was a problem, she dealt with it, instead of dithering around with the issue for years, then asking Europe what to do, then doing little to nothing which dosen't work and blaming it on the previous government (I Know tony Blair caused most of our countries shit, but you cant blame your failed attempts to fix things on him Mr. Cameron.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The other stuff I could deal with.

But the milk...

Dman, that was a low blow.

I'm sorry but as a Yank what exactly did she do with the milk? I've read the little chant of her snatching milk but what exactly did she do? I'm not judging, just asking cause well... I'm a Yank and when it came to politics I kinda rolled my eye's cause it usally makes me rage. Sorry if I sound so lacking about her time as PM.

Well, to put it simply, she got rid of providing free milk to to school children below a certain age.

 

[The Artificially Prolonged]

Speaking as a northerner who's parents nearly lost their home during the Thatcher era, I was hoping that this film woud not give a black and white portrayal to try and make Thatcher a saintly figure. But seeing that is exactly what they've tried to do makes me even less inclined to see this film. It seems a good opportunity has been missed to show the differing of ideals during a turbulent time in british history to audiences who may not be familiar with but.

And incidentially when she does die, we should get the guiness record guys here to witness the worlds biggest congo line to pass over someone's grave.

 

[Absimilliard]

Gah, someone linked the Mock the Week video before I could... As that pretty much sums up my view on Thatcher, I was fairly certain I'd avoid this film, and from the impression I got from MovieBob, I'll stick to that decision...

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.

He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.

good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united

It's really odd that you have gone into a thread that has nothing to do with Ireland just so you can make a controversial statement.

Gallium brought up the breaking up of the UK, NI is part of the UK. So.....that lead to my comment about Ireland.

You're being deliberately obtuse or are very naive if you think Scotland voting for independence is the same situation as Northern Ireland.

...what..? *sigh* Perhaps this is my fault for not making myself clear. A comment was made..

"He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom."

I was responding to the part of the comment that mentioned the breaking up of the ENTIRE United Kingdom, and seeing as how North Ireland is part of the UK, if the UK was to break up it would obviously affect North Ireland(which could possibly affect Ireland too), as well as Scotland. Hence I thought it was valid to bring up another place (other than Scotland) that would also be affect by the breaking up of the UK.

That comment that I responded to doesn't even have the words "vote/ing" or "independence" in it at all. So...no, I was not responding to a comment about a vote for Scotland independence, I was replying to a comment about a hypothetical future break up of the UK because of the effect that Margret Thatcher had on the United Kingdom during here time as Prime Minister.

I hope that clears up the confusion

 

[Barciad]

Just to say, for those that don't know too much about her in real life. Imagine if Dick Cheney was a woman.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

The other stuff I could deal with.

But the milk...

Dman, that was a low blow.

I'm sorry but as a Yank what exactly did she do with the milk? I've read the little chant of her snatching milk but what exactly did she do? I'm not judging, just asking cause well... I'm a Yank and when it came to politics I kinda rolled my eye's cause it usally makes me rage. Sorry if I sound so lacking about her time as PM.

Well, to put it simply, she got rid of providing free milk to to school children below a certain age.

Well why did she get rid of it? I really doubt that it was out of a pure evil intention.

 

[Littaly]

I can't shake the look of that poster! It looks awful. I never pay posters much mind, but this one is like a splinter in the eye.

What were they trying to say with it? Is it something along the lines of "Margaret Thatcher was England, figuratively, but also literally on this poster", and if so, what was wrong with a horizontal silhouette, that wasn't rotated 90 degrees for no apparent reason.

Am I sounding crazy or is this bothering someone else?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

The other stuff I could deal with.

But the milk...

Dman, that was a low blow.

I'm sorry but as a Yank what exactly did she do with the milk? I've read the little chant of her snatching milk but what exactly did she do? I'm not judging, just asking cause well... I'm a Yank and when it came to politics I kinda rolled my eye's cause it usally makes me rage. Sorry if I sound so lacking about her time as PM.

Well, to put it simply, she got rid of providing free milk to to school children below a certain age.

Well why did she get rid of it? I really doubt that it was out of a pure evil intention.

Because she hated children and wanted us to suffer.

She feeds off of anguish you see, she's like a vampire, but without any of the cool powers.

 

[Strain42]

A Pinnochio prequel? Oh boy! I can't wait to see Johnny Depp's portrayal of Gepetto and Helena Bonham Carter playing...does it even matter? After I watch that, I can visit my proctologist and enjoy a nice dinner of raw chicken and rusty screws.

Then I slip into a coma until Tim Burton picks the next book from the childrens section of his local library to mess with.

I hate saying this because once upon a time, I really liked Burton's work. I loved his Batman movies, I enjoyed Mars Attacks, and I know I'm gonna get some hatred for saying this, but I even liked his Charlie and the Chocolate Factory to an extent (in my defense, 95% of the stuff I liked in that movie was thanks to Danny Elfman, the other 5% was me being distracted by pretty colors)

But now his process seems to just be "Pick something that exists, film Johnny Depp being wacky for about an hour and a half, profit and repeat."

 

[Hugga_Bear]

God I hate Thatcher. I wouldn't mind an open ended film, trying to be unbiased while presenting as close to factual a Thatcher as is possible, hell that would have been really interesting to see. A biased FOR her film? God no, I think I'd gag, she did some nasty things to this country and much of it still negatively impacts us today. She did some good stuff too. Some, but not much...

I dunno, it sounds like a shoddy brown nosing film to me, I'll take another look (tis MovieBob's opinion after all, informed as it may be) but yeah, I don't want to see something that completely ignores her opposition or attempts to demonise them, that's childish directing from the best of films.

 

[Darks63]

So its alot like J Edgar then Too afraid to take a critical stand on the person being presented, good to know will avoid it.

 

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I've got some champagne on ice for the day she dies.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Steam?

There's smaller geysers in Yellowstone.

Having that vile siren watching over us again, without being dead, is torture enough.

Without completely ignoring the destruction of the unions, welfare state, BP, British Steel, British Rail, The Belgrano, etc. etc. etc.

good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united

Son, Ireland tore itself apart back in 1912. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles]


But back to Thatcher

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

Just to say, for those that don't know too much about her in real life. Imagine if Dick Cheney was a woman.

lol, get serious. That is an incredibly biased/silly comment to make. I was under the impression that she actually did some good for the UK. I'm not saying it was all good, but to compare here to Cheney? No, that's going to far.

As far as some of her policies/views are concerned, in regards to EU there seem to be people like Nigel Farage(who is in the UK Independence Party) that dislike the EU as much as she did.

Here is what I am referring to....

Spoiler: one video in which Mrs. Thatcher focuses on the Euro and the role in government the EU would play

Spoiler: a video in which UKIP member Nigel Farage expresses a similar negative attitude towards the role that the EU is trying to play in another countries government

I have yet to hear an elected politician from an Independent American political party say the same things that Cheney said.

 

[Ruairi iliffe]

good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united

I'm sorry, Thatcher Might have messed up my homeland as much as the next, but if honesty you think the UK breaking up would honestly make Ireland United, I've a soild 22 odd years of my life living in Co. Armagh and Down Knowing that is the biggest insult I've heard in a long while.

OT, I'd hoped the flim would be a bit fleshed out, but looks like something that would just piss me off than anything.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.

He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.

good, then maybe Ireland will finally be united

It's really odd that you have gone into a thread that has nothing to do with Ireland just so you can make a controversial statement.

Anyway I wasn't alive when Thatcher was in power however I do know that the country was actually pretty shitty before she got into power and she did manage to get our economy back on track. Probably simplifying it a bit, but meh.

More specifically she got the economy looking like it was back on track for the duration of the time she anticipated she would be in power, and since then everyone (including her own party twice) has been dealing with the fallout of the absolute mess she made of things.

I think the moment that speaks for itself actually came quite recently when certain files were dclassified. In it they revealed that Lord Howe, one of the senior advisors, had recommended that instead of trying to help Liverpool get back on its feet economically, because they had had a strike there, the government should let it go into controlled dcline, because then the city would be easier to control. And by all accounts, that's exactly what Thatcher allowed.

So yeah, allowing a town to deliberately spiral into terrible conditions, when you have the resources to help them, and doing it because you wanted to control the nasty poor people, is not quite how I would define getting the economy back on track.

 

[Darth Sea Bass]

for people from the north of England, Thatcher is our Bin Laden. No exaggeration.

He isn't kidding. Scotland too. In light of recent events it is fast becoming apparent that her ultimate legacy will be the break up of the United Kingdom.

And like Bin Laden i wish the armed forces of some country would put a bullet between her eyes too!

And then put a dance mat on her grave for all the people to dance on!

 

[Sovvolf]

I, like many Northerners, had steam, boiling hot steam cannoning from my ears when I even watched the trailers never mind the bloody film. The fact that the film apparently glosses over most the shit she did is nothing short of offensive.

And incidentially when she does die, we should get the guiness record guys here to witness the worlds biggest congo line to pass over someone's grave.

All the North will be united for one special day and it will be like the end of The Return of The Jedi.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Eh...my desire to see this movie was pretty much solely based on how much complexity and nuance they could convey the subject matter. In other words, my intrest is now dashed...

Merryl Streep is a great actress, but can anyone else not help but notice the similarities between this and her earlier film "The Queen"?

That is Helen Mirren, not Merryl Streep

OT: This just seems like another Streep acting vehicle, she is amazing, but I'd prefer she take a step back to let the movies she is in outshine her a bit.