Escape to the Movies: Jack the Giant Slayer

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Falseprophet

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bartholen said:
Exactly what I was thinking. What is it with fairy tales suddenly being turned into these gritty blockbusters recently? So far we've had at least this, Snow White, Hansel and Gretel and Red Riding Hood. What's next, Sleeping Beauty?
Someone did it successfully, so everyone else in Hollywood is now scurrying around to follow suit. One of Bob's BOFCA [http://bofca.com/] colleagues, can't remember which one, once said "Hollywood is a town where everyone's in a rush to come in second place." I.e., no one wants to take expensive risks, but the moment somebody does and makes the Next Big Thing, every wants to be the first copycat.

In fairness, most fairy tales were originally pretty dark and grim, until they were bowdlerized into nursery tales in the 19th century. (e.g., in the original version of Sleeping Beauty [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun,_Moon,_and_Talia], "Prince Charming" is unable to wake "Beauty", so he rapes her. She's awakened by the king's children she bears when they try to nurse. In the end, she ends up marrying her rapist, after he murders his queen.)
 

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Thanks for the warning, bob. I was going to go see Jack and the Giant Slayer this weekend. If it's that awful, I won't bother.
 

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TheVampwizimp said:
Easily the most interesting thing about this review is the screenshot from Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine. I didn't know anyone else on earth knew that game existed.
Watchya talkin bout Wizimp that game's a classic. Aside from being really good it's technically tied to the Sonic license so it's in every Sonic mega-hits collection that pops up

So what was that thing about Spiderman at the end? I know Bob hated Spiderman's amazing reboot, so it doesn't make much sense to me.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
yes, yes you are the only one who remembers that movie. the best jack in the beanstalk movie was actually in this review: the mickey mouse version
Mickey Mouse should start doing fairytales again. When was the last time you saw him in anything besides videogames?
He had a show called Mickey's Clubhouse a couple of years back. I'm surprised how few people seem to notice that show's existence.

Granted, it was a show designed for pre-schoolers that teaches through repetition, something most people past the age of five or so wouldn't watch, but I remember hearing a few other people say the same thing as you did back when this show was running, and it sorta made me think very few people knew about it at the time. :/

OT: Yeah, I kinda knew this movie wasn't going to be good when I saw the trailer for it. The trailer's tagline was something along the lines of "Think you know how the story goes? YOU. DON'T. KNOW. JACK"

I just groaned at the very horrible pun and just wrote it off as something that's going to bomb. And what do you know? It did.
 

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DVS BSTrD said:
shadowstriker86 said:
yes, yes you are the only one who remembers that movie. the best jack in the beanstalk movie was actually in this review: the mickey mouse version
Mickey Mouse should start doing fairytales again. When was the last time you saw him in anything besides videogames?
He's getting a Hand-Drawn Theatrical Film [http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/03/24/scoop-mickey-mouses-first-feature-length-film-being-developed-at-disney/]. So he'll be in that.

OT: I was actually hoping this film would be good, but it sucks, so I won't be going to see it.
 

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The story doesn't sound complicated. It sounds run-of-the mill, for lowest common denominator fantasy a la Dragonlance. A rip off of the film Thor - which itself was a mediocre film.
 

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Mathak said:
bartholen said:
Caffeine_Bombed said:
Jeez, what's next? A grittier Wizard of Oz movie? Hahaha...wait, wha-?
Exactly what I was thinking. What is it with fairy tales suddenly being turned into these gritty blockbusters recently? So far we've had at least this, Snow White, Hansel and Gretel and Red Riding Hood. What's next, Sleeping Beauty?
Y-you hadn't heard? I'm so sorry....


Yes, that's Angelina Jolie.
Yup, had totally forgotten about that thing too. Jaysis fookin chroist, what's gonna be left after this? In the 2000s we've already had movies based on action figures from the 80s, superheroes from all eras, video games, board games (was there a Monopoly movie coming? I fail to recall), action heroes from the 80s making comebacks in the newly found "geriaction" genre and now fairytales. What are they going to have left? Internet memes?

Actually now that you think about it, Michael Bay at least has the money to make a 40k movie look the part if nothing else...
 

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MovieBob said:
Jack the Giant Slayer

MovieBob gives us a few giant reasons to not go see Jack the Giant Slayer.

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The core problem here is that Bryan Singer has trouble emotionally connecting audience to character. This was clear back in the X-Men movies and in Superman Returns. For all their other faults, both movies failed spectacularly at making the audience feel, well, anything about the perils of the protagonists.

I don't say this to bash Singer's chops. Actually, that's what makes him interesting. From a technical standpoint, there's no reason these characters shouldn't work -- they have recognizable personality traits (if a bit tired), they get their requisite one-liners, all the elements are there -- but they simply don't. It's the director equivalent of someone doing the old high school "acting like you're acting."

He's using the right tools and techniques, but just shy of the way he really needs to. It's like watching someone pantomime using a hammer. Even if they have perfect form, you can just tell they're not really using it.

And what makes it even more interesting is that other directors (see: Christopher Nolan) can turn in great work in spite of this seeming inability to emotionally connect. Bryan Singer is caught somewhere in the middle, and I can't really pinpoint exactly what it is... though I do have a hypothesis or two.

1. He chooses the wrong actors, and then doesn't let them work. Directors like Nolan choose their actors carefully. Nolan, for instance, knows he doesn't really do well with drawing the audience in emotionally. So he hires actors like Michael Caine, and Leonardo DiCaprio, etc., and he trusts his actors to handle that part. Singer doesn't. He chooses people who look the part, and then he overdirects them, thus handicapping what they could do.

(In X-Men, the costume choice was the worst offender. The leather limited motion, and made all the action look stiff and fake. And Cyclops? You try emoting with 1/3 of your face covered, and see if it doesn't seem forced and awkward.)

2. He fails to commit to peril. In most cases, the "final showdown" or "high-stakes moment" in his movies often takes place somewhere far away from civilization. All three X-Men movies? Island, remote lake, island. Superman Returns? Made-up island. What's missing from all of these? Innocent bystanders. See, it's hard to connect your audience to heroes reliably, so often you can use the bystanders as an audience insert... except if they're not there (or, as with The Last Stand, magically edited away).

(Biggest offender: X2. Prof. X is frying the brains of every human being on the planet. The stakes are incredibly high... yet we see none of it. No planes crashing, no surgeons falling to the floor in the middle of an incision, no infants screaming in horror, not a bit of it.)
 

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minnull said:
Can't say that I'm really surprised this film ended up being a dudd. Next up, Mary: Rise of the Nano Lambs
Little Miss Muffet vs Megarantula!
 

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Nghtgnt said:
Here's my biggest take-away from this movie being less then stellar: if it turns out that Brian Singer isn't that great, were the decent X-Men movies just flukes/outliers/lucky shots? Will the next X-Men movie suck?

Though come to think of it, maybe if the next X-men movie sucks Fox will let the licensing rights lapse and it'll go back to Marvel/Disney...
The movie doesn't have to suck, it just has to flop. So long as they're making profits, they'll hold on to the licenses and ride on the coattails of the successes of the "real" Marvel movies. That's the real reason I haven't seen The Amazing Spider-Man yet, it has nothing to do with the quality of the film and everything to do with wanting to see Spidey get included in the Marvel Cinematic continuity.
 

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bartholen said:
Caffeine_Bombed said:
Jeez, what's next? A grittier Wizard of Oz movie? Hahaha...wait, wha-?
Exactly what I was thinking. What is it with fairy tales suddenly being turned into these gritty blockbusters recently? So far we've had at least this, Snow White, Hansel and Gretel and Red Riding Hood. What's next, Sleeping Beauty?

A shame this movie sucked. I was in no way interested in it, but at least that mythology about the beans and the giants sounded kinda interesting.
It's a shame I do like the odd fantasy movie but Snow White has already had a dark remake. Seems like they make them every 10 years or so because no one owns the copyright to fairy tales.

On a side note: I kind of miss fantasy movies that were fun, not always convincing but at least they didn't have so much CGI. I think everything needs more puppets!
 

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Naturally, this only exists because Jack left Fabletown and realizes that a string of hit blockbuster movies would make him basically immortal, and help him avoid the war with
Pinocchios dad

It kinda makes more sense that he would actually fail.

any "Fables" readers HAD to think of this when they realized that this movie was a thing.
 

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We really need another fairy tale movie to bomb after this one, otherwise we're going to see more of these. It's just too tempting when you don't have to pay for the rights, and when there's still some hope that it might turn out to be a Snow White-ish success.

As for this movie, it looked awful in the trailers. There's all the generic crap that seems to be in every fantasy movie trailer these days: big cutaway, giant Lord of the Ring-esque battle clip, that damn horn . . . ugh.
 

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Beanstalk... Isn't that the one with Sissy Spacek as a wandering gyspy/monster hunter? Wow... Reminds me of the aunt in Grimm now that I think of it. Minus the Leukemia.

Just checked - Margot Kidder aka Lois Lane. Was hard to tell behind the crazy hair and glasses.
 

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Mathak said:
bartholen said:
Caffeine_Bombed said:
Jeez, what's next? A grittier Wizard of Oz movie? Hahaha...wait, wha-?
Exactly what I was thinking. What is it with fairy tales suddenly being turned into these gritty blockbusters recently? So far we've had at least this, Snow White, Hansel and Gretel and Red Riding Hood. What's next, Sleeping Beauty?
Y-you hadn't heard? I'm so sorry....


Yes, that's Angelina Jolie.
I'm not sure whether it was intentional, or just shoddy, but in either case I'd like to strangle whomever photoshopped those cheekbones.
 

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What I'm wondering is, have any of these gritty reboots of fairy tales actually seen any success? There's been a lot over the last few years, and it looks like classic Hollywood follow-the-leader, but I don't recall any leader to follow. It more seems like every studio exec simultaneously decided with no evidence like these are safe bets. Is there some big hit I'm forgetting, or is this just a collective self delusion on the part of studio execs?
 

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I remember Beanstalk! Quite fondly too, saw it as a kid and had it on VHS, I'm surprised anyone remembers it at all. That one and the Mickey Mouse Jack and the Beanstalk were both pretty awesome back in the day.