Escape to the Movies: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides

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Baneat

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ccggenius12 said:
How faithful is it to the source material? This one was based on a book, not created fresh off someone's brain-pan. If someone has read the book, maybe the enjoyability will go up? I know the only reason The Watchmen was enjoyable to me was because my brain could automatically fill in the plot holes with book.
What book? Wasn't this based off the Disneyworld ride?

Encurtidos said:
I think MovieBob was a bad overview of the movie!! I enjoyed the movie thoroughly and if I wanted to analyze something that much I will go to work or school. The movie is unrelated to the first 3 and its like a new series. It was an entertaning movie!
He doesn't do this for free, you know ;)

Plus, analysis allows us to overcome, somewhat, the issues of subjective taste.

Saying "I enjoyed the movie" only confirms that you would enjoy it, but since you are you and he is reviewing it not for his own benefit, it reaches wider utility.
 

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All I will say regarding Will/Elizabeth in the 2nd and 3rd movies is as such.

It was like watching a pair of kids at a jr. high school dance try to figure out how close they should hold each other during a dance. At multiple points over the 2nd and 3rd movie I wanted to scream "PUT YOUR D#@K IN HER AND GET IT OVER WITH!!!"

Blackbeard was a let down only because of the magnitude of the prior primary antagonists.
Though, they could have done more to give some back story to his "sword" and "powers" , which would have helped his character out a lot.
 

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saw the movie for free, would have been upset if i had paid full price. If you get a chance to see it for free do it, otherwise pass.

a lot of bob's assertions were spot on.

couple of cool parts, ended with a plot setup that was more interesting than the on for this movie (which i hope (but secretly know (but still really hope)) will not ever be made)

Liked:
expansion in the lore related to pirates
new places and faces
interesting but not overly ridiculous action scenes
the general design and look of the movie

Disliked:
Characters became much more bland
The few cool new characters got no screen time/no actual plot development
mashing of multiple equally deserving legends into one bastard legend
that it was more or less a romantic comedy
 

GamerFromJump

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Hey Bob, you missed the chance to have "Irate of the Caribbean" as your credits gag.

Wasn't going to see this anyway, as the series never really grabbed me. My thought was, how can you make a movie out of a Disney ride?
 

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"hope noone goes to see it"...
$300 million opening weekend, I don't think anyone went to see it!

From recent reviews it seem's that you only like indie or slightly left of the mainstream movies, what people have to realise is, that if movie studio's didn't make big blockbuster movies that rake in load of cash, they wouldn't be able to finance the smaller, indie movies.
 

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Depp has my respect. Even tho he may feel no shame as he ages and takes on any role he can get, he has my respect. You know what WAS a surprisingly good movie?

127 hours.
 

AntiChrist

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Yeah Bob, listen to what these people have to say: How dare you demand so much from films? "Uuuh, look at me - I'm a film critic. I like boring films such as Citizen Kane and Black Swan!" Shame on you Bob - the plebs people have spoken and they can never be wrong! Good luck disagreeing with them when they show up with pitchforks and torches at your house!
 

UM536

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Well bob you confirmed my fears, and I do not want to give money to whoever at Disny has control of the pirates franchise now. You missed the opportunity to put it in even more basic terms though. Orlando Bloom (and Kira Nightly to an extent) plays the comedic role of the straight man. Without an honest trustworthy and straightforward guy in the plot we lose a sense of normal against which the Jack Sparrow absurdity clashes and creates those moments of comedic gold. If everyone is acting crazy it can start to seem normal.
 

Shintsu2

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Oh clap clap clap clap clap clap clap. You know Bob, I started watching your reviews because you hated the new Star Trek movie - one of the few. I liked your dissenting opinion so much that I started watching all your videos. I recommended movies to friends based on you. Finally a non-pretentious movie reviewer who doesn't clamor over every movie that was not popular because it was weird and stupid and actually has a brain.

But now I've seen enough of your reviews to know, you're no different. Same pretentious critic who clings to old movies that were waaay better (Or so you think) and as though you're some sort of director who has the know how to make movies yourself. Where have I heard this before? Oh right...every movie critic who thinks they can make a better movie, which would be all of them. Oh if only they did this, and if only they hired this actor or this director. Oh the story arc makes no sense, they tried to do this but they can't and their symbolism of the Church against the Reformists blah blah is so obvious from the character's attitudes and the fight between Character X and Character Y was a reference to the coming of Jesus. You know, I have to ask do you critics just enjoy hating all movies made except a handpicked bunch or does it just come natural? Because I'd hate to be you. I'd hate to hate everything I watched, thinking it was stupid, a waste of time, and boring.

I saw this movie today. Boy let me tell you how BORING it was...yeah, I fell asleep several times. Oh but you know what ISN'T BORING? That new muppets movie, I bet that won't be stupid. 'Cause everyone loves the muppets! Oh wait...they don't? Hmm...well movie critic says so so he must be right. Would you like a piece of parchment which we can write down your decrees to see what movies are bad even though everyone will watch them, and what movies are good despite the fact no one will go see them?

To all you on this forum who like to parrot the critic - get a real opinion. You people didn't even watch it, you're basing your opinion solely on what this fat little man says and going "Oh well the critic said thumbs down, so it's bad, hey guys, it's a horrible badly made movie - no body watch it! It's such a boring bad movie - I know so because someone else told me so! And he's a movie critic - that means his opinion counts for more than other people! I'm going to base my opinion on that opinion and defend it fervently!" The amount of sad little parrots that exist is really mind boggling. I enjoyed the movie, but now that His Holiness Bob says it sucks I guess I should be disappointed with that movie I enjoyed. Hmph, I should just sit in my wingback chair and hold snobby opinions on the finest movies made which were made 60 years ago but also respect how movies were made when I was a kid because they were good then! And not because I was a kid and I liked movies or anything, I was still a critic - hoo boy let me tell you how I told my friends not to watch these movies with subpar plot development when I was 13! My girlfriend just loved all those classic movies we watched, whilst all my friends watched those crappy new movies that were a disgrace to the original comic book series (Which I own all issues including the rare Japanese versions!).

You people who decry these movies as godawful and terrible are doing some serious...well you know what you're doing. OH Star Wars was ruined by the prequels, they were SO BAD - I HATE THEM! Huh, seemed really good to me. Guess I'm just joe moron who likes whatever movies they pump out. I just have no class or anything, no taste for the finer things. Huh, what would I know - I'm a 20-something junior in college with a taste for fine literature. Yes, I've read many of the classics and have many more on my list to read. Oh but I can't like fine literature and bad movies! It's a contradiction! Impossiblé! One cannot enjoy Shakespeare and "bad" movies! Obviously, the symbolism would be apparent in these movies to such a person and their failings and shortcomings dreadfully obvious...oh wait...

Kudos Bob, you're encouraging that behavior that is frowned upon on the internet so well and partaking in it yourself. And to all your devout followers too, clap clap - carry on good fellows. This joe moron won't be watching any more of your misguided reviews, just as he won't bother with other critics opinions either or the opinions of your peasantry followers who have no mind of their own. If you can make a better movie, make it - if not, then kindly sit down and shut up.
 

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Looks like this movie is better suited as a side-story, or spin-off if one prefers, and not directly related to the events of the trilogy.

Thus the lack of connection.
 

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Shintsu2 said:
You people who decry these movies as godawful and terrible are doing some serious...well you know what you're doing. OH Star Wars was ruined by the prequels, they were SO BAD - I HATE THEM! Huh, seemed really good to me. Guess I'm just joe moron who likes whatever movies they pump out. I just have no class or anything, no taste for the finer things. Huh, what would I know - I'm a 20-something junior in college with a taste for fine literature. Yes, I've read many of the classics and have many more on my list to read. Oh but I can't like fine literature and bad movies! It's a contradiction! Impossiblé! One cannot enjoy Shakespeare and "bad" movies! Obviously, the symbolism would be apparent in these movies to such a person and their failings and shortcomings dreadfully obvious...oh wait...
You said it, pal.
 

Therumancer

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Okay, here is my take on things:

Pirates 4 doesn't really deserve a "this movie sucks" review, so much as it deserves to be called totally mediocre. It's not surprising that this movie got made, or that it wasn't good.

Cash in? Maybe, but I think a big part of the the desician to do it was also that Johnny Depp, the supporting actor, wound up upstaging Orlando Bloom early on. Audiences came to see the movies because of the Jack Sparrow character, and honestly Orlando wound up going from being the hero and leading man, to becoming the supporting actor as well. He didn't even get the big climactic fight scene at the end of the movie.

The problem with the fourth movie is that Johnny Depp really had nobody to work with as a decent supporting actor, he really NEEDED Orlando Bloom to pick up a lot of the slack.

To put things into perspective, the fight scenes in this movie are lacking. A big part of the problem is that Johnny Depp is an aging actor whose forte was never really in his choreography and fight scenes. In the previous movies he managed to do so well because his actual fights where you saw Jonny Depp as himself as opposed to a stunt double, were either against CGI, or with someone like Orlando Bloom. Part of good choreography is not to show off how badarse your charcater is, but to also be able to convey a closely matched fight as one, when the script calls for it, a good choreographer can work with a less talented actor and sort of help carry them and make them look better than they actually are. Hence why you had some really good fight scenes where you could see both Johnny Depp and Orlando as themselves for a good part of it.

The best fight in this new movie is pretty much conducted entirely in shadow so you can't see who the characters are, just the costumes, which kind of helps to hide the fact that neither Johnny Depp or Penelope Cruz are exactly overflowing in talent for fight choreography. The big dust up with Barbarossa and Blackbeard likewise suffers from the simple fact that neither of those actors are exactly action-guys either, on top of being old dudes themselves. Geoffrey Rush benefitting in say the first pirates movie for doing most of his more impressive "fights" by merits of being replaced by a CGI monster when the actual action happened, and the action being his stand in. :)

None of the characters are terrible, yes there are stereotypes involved, but then again this is supposed to be about stereotypes, nobody is really trying to break moulds here. This is still a series about Disney pirates who apparently do bad things, but you see few of them on Camera. For example we've never seen Jack Sparrow put an entire crew to a sword to steal their money/cargo, despite the definate implication that he's just as bad as Blackbeard when it comes to that kind of thing, as we need to sympathize with him. Penelope Cruz's spanish hottie is a stereotypical genere character, but then again that's what you expect here. It's funny to hear about a lack of character development, and so on, when it's mentioned Barbarossa comes accross differantly than other movies... but then again he's an old man, and this movie takes place YEARS after the end of the third one apparently. It makes sense he'd change a bit given his circumstances, and to be entirely honest part of the entire point is that once you figure out the story behind the character this time, it's pretty obvious he hasn't changed THAT much, he's still very much the same devious, cutthroat, "anything it takes" dude. Becoming a Privateer to get a ship and army of warriors for his own purposes actually kind of illustrates that he's actually always been smarter and more practical than Jack has, and that is a defining part of that entire relationship.

Also I'll be blunt that while this movie WAS very mediocre and hardly deep, I think Bob was either predisposed to hate on it, probably due to other movies he wished did better, or it was actually too smart for him... doubtful, but possible. The reason for this is that he goes off on how Blackbeard "obviously has magical powers at least equal to Davy Jones but doesn't use them except in key instances..." sort of demonstrates that he misses a key point. Blackbeard knows a bit of Voodoo with the dolls and Zombies, but otherwise all of his power is in his sword and that sword apparently gives him the power to control ships specifically, otherwise he's a pretty normal guy. Hence why Blackbeard's sword is a big deal at the end of the movie, and for those who didn't actually get it, there is actually a scene of Barbarossa animating Blackbeard's ship using the sword at the end of the movie. The flamethrowers on the front of the boat probably just being an over the top weapon as opposed to a magical attack, and the lack of Blackbeard using any overt magic later on probably has a lot to do with all his stuff being ritual based, except for when he uses that sword, and he isn't on a ship for him to control when most of the movie goes down. Blackbeard is hardly a supernatural menace on anywhere near the level of Davy Jones whose power was pretty much godlike within his sphere.

All told this movie is more on the "wait to see it on video" catagory, rather than "OMG this sucks". It's not wonderful, but it doesn't suck either... and yeah, there is an extraneous priest character who you expect to go somewhere and never does.

As a series I think Pirates Of The Carribean is generic enough where I'm not opposed to more films in the universe, which is pretty much just "Hollywood Pirates with the dirty deeds referanced but never shown, combined with supernatural stuff". This kind of genere has a lot of potential, but honestly I don't think anyone will do one without the "Pirates of The Caribbean" name for fear of being called a rip off, even if the series hardly invented the schtick. The key to doing more movies in the universe however is to ensure that they have a stronger overall cast, with the big bucks they spent on this movie, someone should have realized that both Johnny Depp and Geoffrey Rush need other actors to help carry them, especially when it comes to the action side of things.

One of the reasons why the movie looks like Cr@p in places (though it looks good in many others) is because they make it dark or otherwise mess with the scenes when stuff is happening to cover up all the old fogeys and middle aged dudes doddering around trying to act like he-men. You either need to cover up for Jonny Depp, or the fact that when a lot of the stuff is happening it's not Johnny Depp but his stand in, and I'd guess for over half the movie it's probably actually a stuntman... and that really weighs on a movie, an actor needs to be able to carry at least some of his own stunts so he can be seen during the "cool" moments. Looking at this it seems a lot like Jonny Depp did the acting, but was sipping lattes when all the action happened, and this IS an action movie. Of course you can also blame the director for not covering it up better... but still it's hard when it seems like there was that much to cover.
 

Stuntkid

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Now, moviebob, was the reason that you don't like memoirs of a geisha because you thought it was a bad movie in its own right, the politics behind the book, or both?
 

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Slimshad said:
Thank GOD I saw this before the movie. I was skeptical about this one for a while, and my thoughts have just been confirmed. NOT SEEING IT.
I liked it almost as much as the first myself. It is based off of a Tim Power's novel and acts as a better sequel than the last 2 movies. It has a much better color pallet than The Mummy in my opinion, but I do agree it is okay rather than awesome. I would see it again, unlike the last 2 pirate films.
 

Agro9

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I only really liked this first one, why couldn't they all be as good as that one and why do people still continue to go see them? I think the idiot population is increasing becasue why would three transformer movies be made?