Escape to the Movies: Robocop
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I didn't expect this movie to be anything like the original. What annoys me is that moral ambiguity and violence are aspects that somehow would make the movie better. If the movie is bad to begin with, then moral ambiguity and violence are not going to help it.
I didn't care for the violence in the original, but it certainly did add to the over all ambiance of the film. It was like an action/horror/Sci-Fi flick. All the other stuff - the humor and political references- helped to balance the movie out. Throwing a PG-13 rating onto a movie doesn't automatically make it bad, neither does archetypal characterization.
I didn't care for the violence in the original, but it certainly did add to the over all ambiance of the film. It was like an action/horror/Sci-Fi flick. All the other stuff - the humor and political references- helped to balance the movie out. Throwing a PG-13 rating onto a movie doesn't automatically make it bad, neither does archetypal characterization.
Let me begin by saying that I haven't seen movie yet, but I'm planning to.LoneEagle013 said:
My post is mostly what I've heard and read about reboot.
Yes I agree that movie made sense
But so what?
Movie can make sense AND treat audience as stupid morons.
And from what I've heard this movie does that, by chewing story for you.
As for taser I have no issues with that. But please tell me there are couple of taser related death scenes in the movie.
Y'know cardiac arrests, someone falling of a ledge and breaking neck or drowning, that kind of moments.
(That was one of the little things I liked about Deus Ex:HR- stunned, knocked out and sedated enemies still could die under effects of hazardous environment. I also had situations when non-lethal methods killed targets, I assume there was tiny random chance- weak heart, allergic reaction to sedative or simply being punched in the head too hard)
PG-13 was an issue (at least for me), because reboot was made as PG-13 movie from very beginning, instead of making movie, rating it and then ending up with PG-13
And as programmer myself, idea that system can reprogram itself just because, is ridiculous
Best Murphy could do is partially bypass enforced limitations by eventually "rewiring" his brains (it isn't impossible, people do it all the time)
But such dramatic wetware "update" would cause disynchronization between hardware and wetware
As result, at best it would cause occasional malfunction, at worst it would make Murphy unable to control his prosthetic parts at all.
On the other hand if software would be more flexible, then disynchronization wouldn't cause such severe effects
Then again flexible software would make his effort to bypass limitations pointless
Just my quick thoughts on man-machine system.
Sorry, but no. Why would there be? Murphy would have to be a pretty poor cop not to mention badass military robot to do something as stupid as intend to nonlethally take someone out and not notice they're going to fall down a pit or something, and since he's got access to a complete database on everything and advanced sensors, he's probably going to know if they have a heart condition or anything like that.blackrave said:
Agreed, and it just plain looked better besides. The only reason people care about the new look at all is because the old Robocop was colored gray, not because it's actually worse. If he was black with a red visor the first time around nobody would be complaining.Big_Willie_Styles said:
That's another thing I noticed. It was nice that this time we have an evil corporation that wasn't staggeringly incompetent in just about every way in the stupidest ways possible. The original movie's ED-209 for instance? That thing wouldn't have even gotten past initial testing with it's terrible A.I. and it's ineffective general design, not to mention it would have never gotten to the point where a guy would stake his career on demonstrating it in front of the entire board with LIVE AMMO. The reboot's version of OCP's tech actually WORKS this time, and well enough that it's not going to go around shooting up innocent people for no reason. The fact that they can directly control Murphy this time around is just part of that.Big_Willie_Styles said:
Their motivation and actions also made much more sense. Sure, this OCP was evil, but it's only in the pursuit of profit, and everything they did was a reasonable if immoral means of getting that profit. Delta City was a downright idiotic idea that was both cartoonishly evil of them and a completely unnecessary act (it's like tearing down a skyscraper to get rid of the cockroaches that have infested the first floor. Creating a cyborg as a PR stunt to make selling drones easier? Smart, and really up until they started screwing with his emotions and then downhill from there not really immoral and in fact a pretty sweet deal for Murphy.
Why is this movie being bad is such a surprise?
I mean, the last remake of a sci-fi classic was 'Total Recall', and we all know how that ended up being...
I honestly have high hopes for Michael Bay's version of the TMNT, because it can't get any worse can it?
I mean, the last remake of a sci-fi classic was 'Total Recall', and we all know how that ended up being...
I honestly have high hopes for Michael Bay's version of the TMNT, because it can't get any worse can it?
The movie is not bad. The surprise is the amount of hate it's receiving.VoidWanderer said:
Total recall was directed by different people and had different people involved. There is no connection between Robocop and Total Recall apart from the fact that it's a remake of a movie from the 80's - The logic is flawed indicating that all remakes of classic sci-fi movies are doomed to failure.
Some of our classics are in fact themselves Remakes.
http://www.empireonline.com/features/remakes
The Thing (1951-1982)
The Fly (1967-1985)
Twelve Monkeys (1962-1995)
Granted, there don't appear to be many recently - but then there aren't many sci-fi remakes as we prefer new material and when we love something in our nerd culture it's powerful.
It's possible that it's because studio execs know that fans of the original have such a strong emotional attachment and are prone to such strong feelings of nostalgia that they cannot accept a more modern or different retelling of the story. They know it'll bomb, so they don't bother.
As for the turtles, That never had a decent movie in the first place.
If Michael Bay loves the source material, the TMNT movie will be good. He made Pain & Gain after-all and that was a great film. He did a bad job on transformers because he didn't love the source material.
However, for those who haven't seen the Robocop movie, I strongly suggest you take MovieBob's review with a pinch of salt and go see it. He is currently blinded by his feelings of nostalgia and love for the original. The review is biased.
MovieBob is always talking about how fans let down a movie because they didn't turn up. (e.g. Scott Pilgrim)
Simply jumping on a hate bandwagon without determining the facts is why we can't have nice things and while Robocop is not a perfect movie, it is in no way deserving of the abuse it's getting.
The only thing I'd add is, I think the movie smarter than for which you give it credit.sonicstormer said:
I'm glad he didn't start like the original. His emotions are intact. We get to feel involved, as he goes through the horror of what he is. Then, they tweak his brain and we the audience are complicit in this. We approve. What's the harm, we ask? But once we allow for that, why not dull his emotions. He seems to need it. From there, why not just shut him off if we need to do so? We're reminded of the thin line between manipulation and taking ownership of a human being. I also like very comprehensible understanding of his limitations. 50 mm can crack his armor. I felt a lot more suspense in the action scenes. I don't know what the original's parameters were.
The performances were worth viewing. I love the side kick (Omar from the Wire). and Jackie Earle Haley was a pleasure to watch.
Do not go to see this to see the original updated. This is its own movie, and it is a pretty dang good one. Appreciate it for what it is.
I'm not going to disagree with the rest of the points, but this one made me laugh.ascorbius said:
I don't think you can play the cultural sensitivity card when your cinematic depiction of Iran appear to have been filmed in the little-known Islamic Republic of Arabistan.
Sometimes, I want to find the storyboard artist and say "listen guys, you do know Team America was joking right?"
If you're deploying the robot with bulletproof armour, a giant gun and pre-installed wallhacks and aimbots, I think the situation has moved beyond non-lethal solutions.Endocrom said:
Just saying, from my perspective, Robocop is the sort of guy you dispatch when don't want to risk losing members of your SWAT team.
In all honest i actually had some fun with this movie. no it didn't have the same impact the original did, but that's to be expected from a remake. (retelling of an original story)
even though the action scenes were short they were pretty good and i liked the twist they did on robocop himself about the human mind fighting for control and having to deal with parts of his brain being replaced by computers. for the most part i liked the focus it put on robocop himself.
however after that whole segment of him finally being released and they take full control of him, the movie get's pretty boring. not until he regains control does things start to pick up a bit and than there is the mostly anti-climatic ending which i expected more from. (even though it's not much different from the original ending)
my biggest complaint though is that the world doesn't seem to look like it needs Robocop, and giving Robocop a taser is pretty stupid. really dumb down the experience there.
overall i think it was a decent movie, an average remake in an era full of watered down remakes. it's obviously got nothing on the original but it was nice to see Robocop again with a shiner coat of paint.
even though the action scenes were short they were pretty good and i liked the twist they did on robocop himself about the human mind fighting for control and having to deal with parts of his brain being replaced by computers. for the most part i liked the focus it put on robocop himself.
however after that whole segment of him finally being released and they take full control of him, the movie get's pretty boring. not until he regains control does things start to pick up a bit and than there is the mostly anti-climatic ending which i expected more from. (even though it's not much different from the original ending)
my biggest complaint though is that the world doesn't seem to look like it needs Robocop, and giving Robocop a taser is pretty stupid. really dumb down the experience there.
overall i think it was a decent movie, an average remake in an era full of watered down remakes. it's obviously got nothing on the original but it was nice to see Robocop again with a shiner coat of paint.