Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man
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Pretty much this.Kmadden2004 said:
Warning! There are minor spoilers in the following text:
I saw this movie last Sunday with my girlfriend, and we both enjoyed it immensly. It's not the best movie ever, but neither is it as HORRIBLE as MovieBob makes it out to be.
The first Spiderman trilogy was hopelessly corny, filled with bad actors (with William Dafoe being the only exception) and less than stellar CGI. Seriously, sometimes you can almost see the green screen rolling by.
This new Spiderman (to me) dumps a lot of the old baggage and makes it more modern. Look, I am a big comic book geek, I have hundreds of Spiderman comics, but even I got tired of "with great power, comes great responsibility". YEAH, WE GET IT!
I was so happy that the movie didn't harp on that and also didn't force Spiderman into another "I don't have enough time to be Spiderman AND a photographer AND a seduce this hot blond girl" shtick. He is Spiderman, there is no job mentioned that we need to worry about and he pretty much confesses right to Gwen Stacey that he is Spiderman. Great, that's all out of the way.
The combat looked amazing, Spiderman has never been so agile and even if the Lizard doesn't look like Avatar level CGI, he is still convincing enough to be a threat. And he isn't trying to rule the world, he is trying to unshackle mankind from it's evolution bonds and make it into something better. NOWHERE IN THE MOVIE IS IT SAID THAT HE WANTS TO RULE THE WORLD.
This movie is a vast improvement over the original trilogy and MovieBob is just way, way, WAY off base with this.
Bob, as a Spider-man fan of 20 years (Yeah, since I was 4) allow to me say this: You are 98% wrong in the grand scheme of things as far as this movie goes--namely in comparison to the first trilogy. First, Peter has diarrhea of the mouth. If he were in the suit or not, that never changed. In the first trilogy, Peter's personality was bland--based off of the first 60 issues of the comics. He barely spoke, he rarely said what he was thinking or expressed himself. Which doesn't quite work in a movie very well.
The Amazing Spider-Man's Peter was as he is after that point. He can speak his mind--while he tends to be shy, he is -extremely- awkward, and unlike the trilogy, they've actually expressed the fact that he has intelligence and is adept at science. All of which is what Andrew Garfield pulled off without a problem.
Also you say that things are all "JUst so happens" do you? And that this super secret origin story is not your cup of tea? Then why are you a Spider-man fan or even a Marvel fan? ALL marvel does is show how everyone is involved or connected to the next person. No seriously:
Wolverine (James Howlett/ Logan) Served in numerous wars as a Canadian soldier. Here he met Steve Rogers (Captain America), Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier), Nick Fury, and Dum Dum Dugan in north Africa. Captain America-- while in north Africa teamed up with Namor, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Bucky, the first Human Torch, and Union Jack and fought against the Red Skulls elite warriors who were attempting to mine Vibranium, when Namor crossed paths with The Black Panther (Tachala's father) and attacked him four times--each time having dust blown on him that dehydrated him, hilariously.
The Black Panther at the time aided Captain America, yet immediately asking them to leave his lands to him and his people. As sooner or later an American presence of super powered beings will sooner or later cause a rift in stances and a power play for control of land, those with powers, and issues of the sort. (Oddly, this was him calling Civil War happening a good 60 years before the majority of them were even born.)
In one of Captain America's missions with Bucky, they were called to free Jewish prisoners of the SS soldiers. One of the children Captain America and Bucky recused was Max Eisenhardt. Otherwise known as Magneto who was minutes away from being put in a gas chamber. Captain America once met with Howard Stark (Tony Starks father) who was partners with Nathaniel Richards (Reed Richards father) in the "Brotherhood of the Shield." Howard Stark was also one of the first humans to come into contact with Utau (The watcher.)
Captain America (Steve Rogers) had constantly missed the presence of the first Captain America. An African American male named Isaiah Bradely. Said experiment that created his powers were later revamped and used on Luke Cage to make him Power Man. After Captain America fell into ice waters, years later an eskimo tribe found his body encased in ice and began to worship him as a god. Namor discovered this and proceeded to lift the iced Captain America and throw him hundreds of yards away to keep Steve hidden.
Years later, Richard and Mary Parker left Peter in care of his Uncle Ben in order to finish their last mission. They were undercover spies, investigating the resurrection of Hydra after the infinity formula that Nick Fury discovered and took was found. During their mission, it was revealed that the Red Skull simply didn't just have imposters running around -as- him, but he was around again. Once he found out their status, he killed them both, leaving Peter Parker without his mother and father.
At one point of his life, Peter was taken to the circus as a young age by his Uncle Ben and witnessed impressive marksmanship with a bow and arrow he'd seen at the time. By Trickshot, who train Clint Barton--- (Hawkeye) how to shoot. Peter merely passed by Clint at the circus.
"Just so happened?" Bob, you'd have to not know MUCH of marvel past snips of huge digestive stories if you think this is new to anything based off a Marvel comic. I could go on longer about that detail but this took longer than I wanted.
Also, side note: Thor took an ACTIVE part in World War II. On the side of Hitler and almost killed Union Jack. Yeah... right... "just so happens"
Edit: Oh. And Cap trained The Punisher when he enlished in the Marine Corps.
The Amazing Spider-Man's Peter was as he is after that point. He can speak his mind--while he tends to be shy, he is -extremely- awkward, and unlike the trilogy, they've actually expressed the fact that he has intelligence and is adept at science. All of which is what Andrew Garfield pulled off without a problem.
Also you say that things are all "JUst so happens" do you? And that this super secret origin story is not your cup of tea? Then why are you a Spider-man fan or even a Marvel fan? ALL marvel does is show how everyone is involved or connected to the next person. No seriously:
Wolverine (James Howlett/ Logan) Served in numerous wars as a Canadian soldier. Here he met Steve Rogers (Captain America), Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier), Nick Fury, and Dum Dum Dugan in north Africa. Captain America-- while in north Africa teamed up with Namor, Nick Fury, Dum Dum Dugan, Bucky, the first Human Torch, and Union Jack and fought against the Red Skulls elite warriors who were attempting to mine Vibranium, when Namor crossed paths with The Black Panther (Tachala's father) and attacked him four times--each time having dust blown on him that dehydrated him, hilariously.
The Black Panther at the time aided Captain America, yet immediately asking them to leave his lands to him and his people. As sooner or later an American presence of super powered beings will sooner or later cause a rift in stances and a power play for control of land, those with powers, and issues of the sort. (Oddly, this was him calling Civil War happening a good 60 years before the majority of them were even born.)
In one of Captain America's missions with Bucky, they were called to free Jewish prisoners of the SS soldiers. One of the children Captain America and Bucky recused was Max Eisenhardt. Otherwise known as Magneto who was minutes away from being put in a gas chamber. Captain America once met with Howard Stark (Tony Starks father) who was partners with Nathaniel Richards (Reed Richards father) in the "Brotherhood of the Shield." Howard Stark was also one of the first humans to come into contact with Utau (The watcher.)
Captain America (Steve Rogers) had constantly missed the presence of the first Captain America. An African American male named Isaiah Bradely. Said experiment that created his powers were later revamped and used on Luke Cage to make him Power Man. After Captain America fell into ice waters, years later an eskimo tribe found his body encased in ice and began to worship him as a god. Namor discovered this and proceeded to lift the iced Captain America and throw him hundreds of yards away to keep Steve hidden.
Years later, Richard and Mary Parker left Peter in care of his Uncle Ben in order to finish their last mission. They were undercover spies, investigating the resurrection of Hydra after the infinity formula that Nick Fury discovered and took was found. During their mission, it was revealed that the Red Skull simply didn't just have imposters running around -as- him, but he was around again. Once he found out their status, he killed them both, leaving Peter Parker without his mother and father.
At one point of his life, Peter was taken to the circus as a young age by his Uncle Ben and witnessed impressive marksmanship with a bow and arrow he'd seen at the time. By Trickshot, who train Clint Barton--- (Hawkeye) how to shoot. Peter merely passed by Clint at the circus.
"Just so happened?" Bob, you'd have to not know MUCH of marvel past snips of huge digestive stories if you think this is new to anything based off a Marvel comic. I could go on longer about that detail but this took longer than I wanted.
Also, side note: Thor took an ACTIVE part in World War II. On the side of Hitler and almost killed Union Jack. Yeah... right... "just so happens"
Edit: Oh. And Cap trained The Punisher when he enlished in the Marine Corps.
Having seen the movie last night, if that's all it takes to make Moviebob go on a "fuck this movie and everything it stands for" tangent, maybe Green Lantern and Expendables weren't as bad as you say.
Also, Emma Stone >>> Kirsten Dunst
Also, Emma Stone >>> Kirsten Dunst
first one more day, then spiderman 3, then spectacular spiderman being cancelled, then the stupid ultimate spiderman, and now this?
someone up there really hates spiderman
someone up there really hates spiderman
Because the facebook comments are primarily people who come to the escapist for the features and are commenting because they have seen the movie already, the forum comments are people who are active in the forums and are commenting because they've seen the trailer.crimson sickle2 said:
The movie was good. Bob's gonna get TONS of flak for this review, because it's pretty off base. This spiderman is infinitely closer to the source material than the other movies if nothing else, so all those complaints can be thrown out the window. The only thing they really messed with was making Peter's parents scientists involved in the plot...
But when the real story has them as undercover CIA agents recruited by S.H.I.E.L.D. that got pregnant with Peter on a mission to save Wolverine from the Russians, the change is reasonable...
I think they were borrowing more from the ultimate line of comics on the science bit. There, Peters father was a scientist. And killed by The Hulk during an experiment... yeah that wouldn't work if you wanted Spidey in the avengers movie.tstorm823 said:
Again, I loved the film and saw it, and Bob is -waaaaaay- off here. Either that or he thinks it's Spider-Man that's important and not Peter Parker.
After Moviebobs recommendations of Prometheus, Ted and the distinctly mediocre The Avengers I am expecting this to be brilliant. And need I not bring up Sucker Punch?!
Oh and next time put a spoiler warning before you divulge the back story of Peters parents and their relations to everything! Just 'cause you don't like the film doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else Bob!
74% on Rotten Tomatoes vs Bobs opinion (which to me holds very little weight), I think I will go with Rotten Tomatoes on this one.
Oh and next time put a spoiler warning before you divulge the back story of Peters parents and their relations to everything! Just 'cause you don't like the film doesn't mean you can ruin it for everyone else Bob!
74% on Rotten Tomatoes vs Bobs opinion (which to me holds very little weight), I think I will go with Rotten Tomatoes on this one.
Have you seen the movie? It's actually pretty good.TheFederation said:
Most of the reviews have been positive as well.
The movie is pretty damn close to the comics as well. So I'm not sure about this "some up there really hates Spider-Man."
OT: Saw it, loved it. Great aesthetics, amazing acting from everyone. The Lizard was kind of disappointing, but the story was told so well and the characters were represented so well, I ended up forgiving it. Also, Garfield was a GREAT Peter, he actually had some snark, something Tobey (or more like Raimi) forgot.
And I'm sure people have already been going on about this but Emma Stone's Gwen Stacey was infinitely better than Kirsten Dunst's melodramatic Mary-Jane.
Movie Bob obviously really wanted to hate this movie, and refused to see it in any other way. Soulless? Most complimented on how well the leads worked together, and how emotional their interactions were. Whatever Bob, I always took your reviews less seriously than I did ZP.
My problem with Bob in this is that he is so focused on how 'they ruined the story' of spiderman and how 'Spidey is soOooooOoOoO different than the comics' that he doesn't seem to get that...it is a comic book movie. Comics of the same characters can be dramatically different from one another, just based on who is making it. To me, this movie just seems to be someone else's take on Spiderman. I'm going to go see it, also because Mr. Ebert said it was probably the second best Spiderman movie in his opinion, and this isn't coming from a possible 'fanboy' standpoint but from a pretty neutral party.
Sounds about right. The plot synopsis I read does pretty much paint the film as utter garbage that sounds like it was written personally by has-beens like Joe Quesada or Jeph Loeb
Glad to hear from somebody who cares that this is unfun garbage. I'd thought about seeing it, but it sounds like there just isn't a point.
Edit: Huh. I decided to go against Bob's and my own advice to watch this one and...really liked it. In contrast to Bob's description I wouldn't say that Garfield is playing nearly so much a cypher as just a semi socially retarded, sometimes petty but often earnest young man. You know, a teenager. They do it differently from the comic but frankly I'm tired of people trying to do the same damn thing over and over.
It has some second act trouble and this spiderman really doesn't seem all that comfortable with snarky quips and one-liners, but as a character piece I think it was surprisingly successful. Martin Sheen is also an excellent uncle Ben who doesn't need a catchphrase to be poignant. Very glad I decided to see it.
Edit: Huh. I decided to go against Bob's and my own advice to watch this one and...really liked it. In contrast to Bob's description I wouldn't say that Garfield is playing nearly so much a cypher as just a semi socially retarded, sometimes petty but often earnest young man. You know, a teenager. They do it differently from the comic but frankly I'm tired of people trying to do the same damn thing over and over.
It has some second act trouble and this spiderman really doesn't seem all that comfortable with snarky quips and one-liners, but as a character piece I think it was surprisingly successful. Martin Sheen is also an excellent uncle Ben who doesn't need a catchphrase to be poignant. Very glad I decided to see it.
Yup. And the sad thing is you're totally right. No matter how much this movie sucks (and it does) people are still going to watch it. Hell, just on facebook i've seen about a billion posts saying how awesome it is. So expect sequels
I feel like hes going after it more as an unecessary reboot here because the way he described The Lizard man wanting to conquer the world reminded me of the 90s Spiderman Movie more than anything.PsychedelicDiamond said:
*EDIT* Wow I derped there I meant 90s Cartoon.
Had a feeling you weren't going to like this one, Bob.
And as far as detesting the ugly business side in how this movie got made, I am right there with ya.
I've heard mixed reviews about it over all, some liking it, others calling it crap. I haven't seen it yet, but it seems the general opinion is that it's OK. And if a reboot this soon is just OK, it seems hard to justify its existence.
I'll admit to prejudging the movie unfairly, especially since the second Spider-Man movie from the last trilogy is marked as my personal favorite movie, and this one, in certain respects seems to be Sony saying "screw you" to the previous trilogy, and there's a few aspects about this one that just piss me off, some of them incredibly petty, as you mentioned, I also think the costume looks terrible.
As it stands though, I just have to say, there was a lot of vindication to be had from watching this review. It may be unfair, but hearing someone hate this movie as much I think I would hate it is very satisfying.
And as far as detesting the ugly business side in how this movie got made, I am right there with ya.
I've heard mixed reviews about it over all, some liking it, others calling it crap. I haven't seen it yet, but it seems the general opinion is that it's OK. And if a reboot this soon is just OK, it seems hard to justify its existence.
I'll admit to prejudging the movie unfairly, especially since the second Spider-Man movie from the last trilogy is marked as my personal favorite movie, and this one, in certain respects seems to be Sony saying "screw you" to the previous trilogy, and there's a few aspects about this one that just piss me off, some of them incredibly petty, as you mentioned, I also think the costume looks terrible.
As it stands though, I just have to say, there was a lot of vindication to be had from watching this review. It may be unfair, but hearing someone hate this movie as much I think I would hate it is very satisfying.
I don't know that much about spider man the comic series. I enjoyed spiderman 1 and 2, and I'm all about staying true to the source material.
That being said, could it be, Bob, that you're biased against this movie because:
A) You want to see Spiderman go back to Marvel?
B) This is only being made so Spiderman stays with sony?
Now, I haven't seen the movie. I'm going to, one way or another, but I'm going in with an everyman's eye. I'm looking for enjoyment and fun. Would I get that from this movie?
That being said, could it be, Bob, that you're biased against this movie because:
A) You want to see Spiderman go back to Marvel?
B) This is only being made so Spiderman stays with sony?
Now, I haven't seen the movie. I'm going to, one way or another, but I'm going in with an everyman's eye. I'm looking for enjoyment and fun. Would I get that from this movie?