Narnia movies are ones for the DVD collection in my opinion. I like them but I don't feel the need to rush out and see them. Its not like they are Harry Potter or anything... (I am gonna get sooooooooooooooo badly flamed for that comment)
Escape to the Movies: The Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader
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Timeline wise, Magician's Nephew is first. It's how Narnia was created after all. However, The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe is consider the first in terms of the story. I believe (could me mistaken) that it was the first one he wrote. If not that, then it is certainly the first one most people read.Vault Citizen said:
On Topic: I had two problems with this film. The first was that the little girl and her father served no purpose.They were extra baggage. Now, if they had played a critical role in stopping something, then okay, but they didn't. The second was that the crew never returned to the Star island. Overall though, I have to agree with MovieBob in that the movie was really good. He nailed it when he said this book isn't really an action one, so I was curious as to how they were going to make the movie. They did a great job on it. They even had a shout out to The Horse and His Boy in the movie.
The next movie they make will be The Silver Chair. The next Narnia hero is mentioned at the end of the movie, and Aslan says Eustace may come back. It wouldn't do to go back to the beginning because people may forget Eustace since he was just introduced. Better to have the next movie about him and his friend, then do The Magician's Nephew. I'm wondering how they'll do The Last Battle, or if they'll even do it. If they do, I hope they change Susan's fate. That's always bothered me.
I saw it at midnight and still haven't seen the new Harry Potter movie. Opposites I guess?ironlordthemad said:
Whatever floats your Dawn Treader I guess...Sniper Team 4 said:I saw it at midnight and still haven't seen the new Harry Potter movie. Opposites I guess?ironlordthemad said:
I am super excited to see this movie. I'm a huge fan of the series and I'm going to see it in 3 hours actually!
That and Ben Barnes, the guy who plays Caspain, is gorgeous.
That and Ben Barnes, the guy who plays Caspain, is gorgeous.
having actually read 90% of the novels in question and seeing the old OLD skool movie versions of them i gotta say the books on thier own and AMAZING. with only a few exceptions they arent so full of religion that they cant be taken as non religious infact i didnt get the religion feel from a horse and his boy at all. but then i read alot of fiction in my youth where the conventions were thrown out for interesting shit so i was used to the mix and match found in alot of the books.
he might be saving that one. He;s been doing a lot of off beat movies in recent weeks when nothing good or interesting came out. So we may it for the christmas Moviebob or next week.Mr. Omega said:
OT: Honestly, I hope they do all the movies... jest becuase. I mean, I've been a fan of the series since i read it when i was... I dont know... I think 8? Its been about 9-10 years regardless when i finished the The Last Battle, but i agree. How they'll stage the TLB is going ot be interesting, since it gets really fucked up near the end and the end its self is.. um... interesting. To say the least. That and if you're somehow completely retarded you'll see at that point that Aslan isnt really Jesus, but more so God (or, atleast thats how it seemed to me, since he never really answered to a higher power and well.... Just go read TLB's ending and you'll see what I mean.
HOwever, supposedly, I heard originally tehy only wanted to do the books with the four kids in them, so that limits us down to TLTWaTW PC TVotDT and TLB (books numbers 2, 3, 4, and 7 I beleive). But hopefully that will be changed. Espeically since the four kids only get the most Minor role possible in TLB (well... excluding the professor as a link from Book 1 to book 2, though i wont say how since thats spoilers).
Yeah.... its hard to talk about them making the books into movies without revealing spoilers to the books themselves. though in particular, I'd like to see The Magician's Nephew and The Boy and His Horse just because those two were my favorites, and TMN was cool since... well... since it was the beginning, and we met the White Witch for the first real time (she's more then just Narnian. I cant remember if they talk about it in any of the movies so far, so i dont want to say how).
The Last Battle is going to be damn near impossible, not to mention how it being essentially the Book of Revelations (loving more than just Christians edition) might alienate too many people. At the same time, I tend to get dragged to "kids" movies every Christmas with my family, so, if this is what I get dragged to I should be alright.
Well, they don't really
Kill him. I mean, they try to help him out of what they believe to be his prison, and he fades away because he can't keep himself together.
And still, I don't think the books were about that at all. We followed Lyra (and Will) as they grew up, learned about the world and how they dealt with all of that.
What gets me most about the Narnia series is indeed the ending, specifically, the part where
Suzan isn't allowed to enter the stables/paradise because of reasons that can be summarized as 'she's growing up'.
The only thing that disappointed me about the film was the pacing and the script. I feel like the lines were pretty horrible (don't even get me started about CoNrince Caspain. That one line: "It feels like magic!" makes me want to tear off a limb every time!) and I'm curious to know what movie bob felt about the dialouge.
My friends disagree but it felt sort of clunky at times and too obvious at others. The pacing was a little strange as well, since though I understand that it is the Chronicles of Narnia and we should BE in Narnia, they are like "ooo look characters, WHOA it's Narnia". Hmmm..... I just thought it needed a little tightening, 'tis all.
rince Caspain. That one line: "It feels like magic!" makes me want to tear off a limb every time!) and I'm curious to know what movie bob felt about the dialouge. My friends disagree but it felt sort of clunky at times and too obvious at others. The pacing was a little strange as well, since though I understand that it is the Chronicles of Narnia and we should BE in Narnia, they are like "ooo look characters, WHOA it's Narnia". Hmmm..... I just thought it needed a little tightening, 'tis all.
Never noticed the allegory myself. Then again, I only read the first two books and not in great detail. Thoroughly enjoyed Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, never saw Prince Caspian... One of my friends keeps insisting that this was one of the best books, so I might go see the film.
As for the aforementioned allegory, it's really not important. Lewis including some of the more recent western mythology is no different to drawing from Greek or Scandinavian myths.
And no, I don't intend that offensively.
As for the aforementioned allegory, it's really not important. Lewis including some of the more recent western mythology is no different to drawing from Greek or Scandinavian myths.
And no, I don't intend that offensively.
You have Viktoria as your picture. Awesome!AstylahAthrys said:
Alleged_Alec said:
Basically, Susan can't get in because she stopped believing, right? I guess Lewis wanted that to happen to one of the characters just to play that scenario out to the reader. I don't know. I do that sort of thing sometimes, so that makes sense to me. Still a little random though. I might have picked Peter instead, since he is the eldest of the four. They are all "growing up" though, physically and mentally. All of them except for Jill and Eustace are probably at least at young adulthood. I always sort of figured that Lewis just picked Susan for no deep reason. I'm sure she will make it to heaven, though. Aslan let a heathen in, so Susan is a definite. She will probably make it after she dies, though. That's the oddest part for me. The fact that her siblings just disappear into heaven forever. How does that affect her, if at all? Do they explain cuz I don't remember.
Oh Bob knows. Have you read his article on Lewis on the main page?AC10 said:BoB I just want to correct you on a small technicality:
Lewis was born a christian, converted to atheism in university and later in life became a christian once again.
Good to know my Philosophy minor actually has some kind of use
I wrote a paper on Christian themes in the Narnia series once. Voyage of the Dawn Treader was actually one of the most interesting books in the series in that respect.
I didn't really like the Prince Caspian movie because of the first problem you mentioned with trying to turn the material into something it kinda isn't, and I'm a bit afraid I'll have the same issue with this one, but I might check it out.
The Narnia movies should be alright as long as they don't try to turn A Horse and His Boy into a movie.
I didn't really like the Prince Caspian movie because of the first problem you mentioned with trying to turn the material into something it kinda isn't, and I'm a bit afraid I'll have the same issue with this one, but I might check it out.
The Narnia movies should be alright as long as they don't try to turn A Horse and His Boy into a movie.
A quote from wiki:The Keeper said:
Peter says that she is "no longer a friend of Narnia", and (in Jill Pole's words) "she's interested in nothing now-a-days except nylons and lipstick and invitations."
And what happens to her isn't explained. The wording of the above quote is what gets to me. Those few words suggest that Lewis somehow thinks puberty, and the things you feel and think during that period, are bad. I cannot see how such a well-educated man could possibly think something like that.
EDIT: I also can't recommend Neil Gaiman's 'The Problem of Susan' enough. It explains a lot of the problems I have with the series.
PS: It also doesn't help that I watched the first movie before reading any of the books, and found Susan to be one of the two likeable protagonists (Edmund was also all right).
Well, if you look at it metaphorically, there is a point in the Bible where Jesus says that those who want accept heaven like a little child won't enter it (I don't know the actual words in the English translation). So the reason Suzan "was not allowed" was that she only cared about growing up. I'm not sure if was not allowed is the right words though - considering she started pretending that Narnia was only a game they had played and didn't actually exist, it seems more like a choice. You could argue that if she had known that there was a heaven in Narnia she would not have denied it, but then again it would be the typical "faith over knowledge" argument.Alleged_Alec said:
My religions teacher actually said that all religious text is a myth, it doesn't matter whether it's entirely real or not, just as long as you learn from them the important meanings.
I heard Warrior's way sucked, but the fact that the line isn't in the movie turned me off of it completely D: Those people fail.
I heard Warrior's way sucked, but the fact that the line isn't in the movie turned me off of it completely D: Those people fail.
That was good! I approve.ironlordthemad said:Whatever floats your Dawn Treader I guess...Sniper Team 4 said:I saw it at midnight and still haven't seen the new Harry Potter movie. Opposites I guess?ironlordthemad said: