Escape to the Movies: The Kings Speech

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Johanthemonster666

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joebear15 said:
Ensis235 said:
you realise and this to all people whom direct flaming comments(not just disagreeing but flaming) at Bob that if he does read them he is almost certainly laughing at you for 3 reasons

1. Hes smart enough to be secure in his own opinion and is not bothered that you think he is a "nerd"

2. Many people attacking him are doing so in a stupid way actully helping him prove his point

3. Every time you post a comment here to attack him the add value for his page goes up almost certainly increasing his chances of continuing his show here.
Um... yea. The post you're flamming never flamed Bob for being a nerd. He's just disagreeing with Bob's logic in categorizing an "Oscar Bait" film. I on the otherhand openly flame Bob for being a pompous nerd along with some valid points (made invalid in the way I express them)

He's going to see films the way he does no matter what anyone says, so my criticism is probably more directed at my generation in general. I just don't see anyone appreciating films ,or even films they claim to enjoy (they just see explosions, laugh at the jokes and go home without liking or hating the movie for any reason).
 

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Bah, The Escapist comment system ate my post.

People who liked the movie and were offended by this video seem to be projecting all over the place. If you had waited for a bit before flying off the handle you would have noticed that he ended the video with saying that it was a good movie despite how formulaic it was.
Nah the reason we're having a go is because it's damn obvious that Mr Bob has a geek chip on his shoulder, and if you need any proof then the paraphrase "1982 best year for film ever" should enlighten you.
I have a friend who says the same thing (probably quoting Movie Bob)... I truly wanted to smack him. We have film class together this semester, so he said it like he was a full fledged film critic.
 

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Honestly if there was a award show that awarded movies for there technical merit rather than premise and actors I'd prolly care a little more I really could care less who played in it as long as they played the part well and the premise is important but after a certain point no story is better than another it's completely opinion based once you get to a certain level of writing.

It be nice to see a movie get a award for best use of shot's, lighting things of that nature
 

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...yeah.....or it's just a film telling a story that happened in real life which not many people know about......
 

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Wow. I haven't watched Movie Bob before. I just got done watching a handful of his videos and can say I wholeheartedly disagree with almost everything he says.

The King's Speech was a very good film. Many films that win the Best Picture category are brilliant and do more than "Kick Ass" ever will do.

But oh well. Everyone's opinion is as valid as the next person's! :)
 

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i really wish bob would stop bringing up "the social network"

so far its been the only movie he has highly recommended and i have hated entirely.
 

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Johanthemonster666 said:
"The King's Speech" was a good film and deserves to be in the top 8 lineup of Oscar nominees at least.
I'll wholeheartedly agree that it was a good film. As for the second part, I'd personally rather have seen it's spot in the Best Picture nominees go to The Town, Ghostwriter, Never Let Me Go or The Square, to name just a few. And despite what you may have heard, I don't happen to think that Scott Pilgrim ought to have been nominated (though I'd gladly see Edgar Wright get a Best Director nod for it, as that aspect was truly extraordinary.)
 

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MovieBob said:
Johanthemonster666 said:
"The King's Speech" was a good film and deserves to be in the top 8 lineup of Oscar nominees at least.
I'll wholeheartedly agree that it was a good film. As for the second part, I'd personally rather have seen it's spot in the Best Picture nominees go to The Town, Ghostwriter, Never Let Me Go or The Square, to name just a few. And despite what you may have heard, I don't happen to think that Scott Pilgrim ought to have been nominated (though I'd gladly see Edgar Wright get a Best Director nod for it, as that aspect was truly extraordinary.)

I think Movie Bob needs some troll spray, keep people like me who don't normally rage about much in line haha.


Alas Bob, if only there were a Sage button in the left hand corner so you could disregard such comments. The strange part about it is that I haven't seen many decent films in a few years other than the one's you've just mention (not Scott Pilgrim or The Square sadly, but I'll get to them soon).

Your suggestions to watch "Splice" and quite a few other hits last year were spot on, so your opinions about films are probably more informed than mine considering I tend to be skeptical (probably to an unhealthy extent) of everything that comes out. I even dragged my feet for "Avatar". My parents are those folk you spoke of who romanticize World War 2 and the more "innocent" decade afterward that symbolizes "the greatest generation", so I agree with you completely in that regard.

I'd normally express my opinions respectfully, and sadly I just had an off day.


Nothing wrong with being a nerd, and who I am kidding anyway? I'm a nerd too, so carry on Movie Bob, carry on ^_^
 

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Interesting, but in my opinion just because the King's Speech isn't sweeping and epic doesn't mean it isn't good. Likewise, it might not be *challenging* but that doesn't mean it's not *important*. Huge blockbusters featuring wars and ideas and aliens can be entertaining, but most people can't really connect to the events therein. Personal development, however, is far more sympathetic, and something we can all relate too - hence it's propensity for success at awards ceremonies.

Class conflict + reconciliation, love, war etc are indeed Oscar bait topics; but I'd argue that is because they're universally interesting and engaging. Furthermore, overcoming something is a central component in almost every story, since giddy acquiescence tends to stagnate.

The point about looking attractive while having a disability is spot-on, however, as is the point on war as a moral framing device - since it really does facilitate the audience liking the protagonist(s) regardless of his/her actions.

Of course, there are films like Inception, that seem to do a bit of all of the above, combining elements of action blockbuster with personal development and "ideas-movie" elements, but these tend to feel a little "cold" and suffer *because* they're too dense with powerful elements.

Oh, and the point about the upper/lower classes coming together making millionaires feel better about giving each other gold statuettes was priceless! Brilliantly observed.
 

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I still say that science fiction and high fantasy deserve more Oscars than anything else that has won them over the years.

Though if we taking into account all the Academy Awards for catagories other than Best Picture...*calulates*...17 from Lord of the Rings (they totally should have got more).
 

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I probably will miss the chance to see this in cinema but I know I'll end up geting and/or watching this when it comes out on DVD because my fiance loves movies about the royal family (she also enjoyed the Queen and Young Victoria).

It is a shame that Paul Bettany turned down the main role but I think Colin Firth was a great choice.
 

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Goldeneye1989 said:
Sorry moviebob but there is one better piece of Oscar bait

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kj78anyCkM

Edit:

Double edit apparently video on cracked is broken replaced by
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAG9Xn5bJwQ&feature=player_embedded
I looooooooove. britanick. I saw this when it came out and it is still amazing, oh jeez. catchprase! laugh laugh laugh laugh. any fan of movie bob will love that 2nd youtube post good post.
 

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SpiderJerusalem said:
DayDark said:
it's about a king! I can't freaking relate to a king! I don't even have a speech problem! I sure as hell can relate a lot more to the conflicts faced by Luke Skywalker. Normal people aren't void of imagination.
Are you a farmer? Do you live in the desert? Do you take part in an intergalactic war?

No.

So from this we can conclude that the setting is irrelevant to if one can or can't relate to the characters involved, thereby showing that "true stories" or real life settings are not more engaging than fiction.

The King's Speech is not about, as Bob and his minions seem to be oblivious to, just a "king with a speech impediment" but about becoming your own man, growing up even later in life, breaking down your own prejudices and how with the help of friends one can conquer things that have dictated their entire lives.

You know, like Star Wars is about those exact same things.
Yeah, I'm sure everything Bob pointed out is really all just a big coincidence. I mean he could at least say it was okay...wait.

Well what do you know he even says it's good!

MovieBob said:
Johanthemonster666 said:
"The King's Speech" was a good film and deserves to be in the top 8 lineup of Oscar nominees at least.
I'll wholeheartedly agree that it was a good film. As for the second part, I'd personally rather have seen it's spot in the Best Picture nominees go to The Town, Ghostwriter, Never Let Me Go or The Square, to name just a few. And despite what you may have heard, I don't happen to think that Scott Pilgrim ought to have been nominated (though I'd gladly see Edgar Wright get a Best Director nod for it, as that aspect was truly extraordinary.)
 

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illas said:
Class conflict + reconciliation, love, war etc are indeed Oscar bait topics; but I'd argue that is because they're universally interesting and engaging. Furthermore, overcoming something is a central component in almost every story, since giddy acquiescence tends to stagnate.
Unless the story in question is motivating or insightful to begin with anyway. In my opinion, The King's Speech just isn't much beyond a set piece of good acting (which, while essential to be considered among the best movies, isn't all-encompassing).

It's why I gave the Academy a pass for The Hurt Locker. It provided the audience (or at least me) some insight into what could arguably be the least desirable job out there. If movies are meant to be a form of expression (either of the self or via culture), than a formulaic piece shouldn't emerge as dominant (especially when other nominees broke new ground, rather than treading the same pre-war murk).

By that, I guess I should just say that I'm disappointed such a bland film won in spite of superior competition.

ASIDE: If the prior controversy surrounding The Dark Knight was any indication, the Oscars aren't really going to win many friends with the gaming crowd by default. Though I can only imagine who will be bitching about our generation's Oscar choices when we grow old and pretentious enough to force our bias into the nominations.

MovieBob is polarizing because he simultaneously appeals to the younger gamers, while his methods or reasoning are almost always questionable (Most of the previous Best Picture Oscar Winners don't fit his satirical formula at all; thus negating most of what he was saying in this video. Though I do agree with his general opinion of the Oscars), resulting in controversy.
And controversy gets the site hits, no matter what.
 

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I agree with Bob here, and he's hardly alone in his opinion. As others responding have shown, people have even made faux movie trailers mocking the Oscars for the same reasons.

I think there is some bitterness from nerds, which is a group including me as well as Bob, that the Oscars are for the most part very one dimensional. In all of these years we haven't really seen any science fiction/space fantasy or horror movies perform all that well, except maybe in the special FX catagory. This despite the massive success of a lot of those movies and a lot of people generally agreeing (even outside of the nerd community) that they were the best films of the year. Success and appealing to a lot of people having very little to
do with the Oscars... I can see the arguement for it wanting to reward the "actor's craft" but in the end the bottom line is to appeal to the audience/public and that's something a lot of movies that wind up winning fail to do.

One point I will make though is that I do see some defense for the "based on a true story" thing, at least in the "Best Actor" catagory. The reason being that when your dealing with real people there is a standard for what the role should be like. As opposed to someone playing their interpetation of a fictional character. Especially with the old fogeys involved, a lot of people had a good idea what the King was like from his apperances in public, so the big question comes down to whether this actor did a good job of emulating
an actual person.... there is an objective standard to use. While low brow, it's sort of
like how you can have "Elvis Impersonator Contests", there is plenty of material on Elvis including video to make judgements on who comes closest to being able to duplicate his movement/body language, voice, singing style, etc...
 

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I haven't seen the film so have no idea if its good or not, but i got so tired of Bob's "guide" i tuned out halfway through so have no idea what his opinion was, not a good review Bob, a rare miss too...shame.
 

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Look, you cannot simply throw out a bunch of apparently "oscar specific" guidelines and neglect to provide sufficient examples for them. I could literally take ANY of the other nominees and give it the same service as you just did, with the ultra sarcastic, smug tone to boot.

OH, black SWAN eh? Has a PROTAGONIST trying to OVERCOME a perFORMANCE?

AHHHHH, The FIGHTER? A quintessential POOR tough guy, living in a DISFUNCTIONAL HOME LIFE?

Seriously, maybe my quite high opinion of the kings speech would be slightly altered if your argument had any grounds, the way I see it, the oscars seem to really enjoy GOOD FILMS. If this is actually the case, aforementioned video should have been around 10 seconds long. Thanks
 

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And yet, as people supposedly judging the best of the best, they should be above that, able to set aside personal preferance and empirically judge overall quality, otherwise they're a joke...