Escape to the Movies: Untangling Spider-Man
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Okay... i really can't agree on the Twilight comparison. What makes Twilight... well, Twilight is it's complete lack of likeable character and it's emotionless (almost sociopathic) main characters. In Amazing Spiderman both Peter and Gwen were likeable, relatable and had actual chemistry. And while the romance may have been a little bit rushed (Even though it's still pretty well developed for an action movie) it's by no means bad.
Really, it seems like "It reminds me of Twilight" has become a way of saying "Ew, i don't like girly stuff like romance in my superhero- and fantasy movies!"
Really, it seems like "It reminds me of Twilight" has become a way of saying "Ew, i don't like girly stuff like romance in my superhero- and fantasy movies!"
Kinda glad he at least said something about Savages at the very end of this segment. I was hoping to see it this weekend.
Its kinda disheartening that Sony plans 2 more movies so that they can make another trilogy.
Unfortunately Bob, even though this movie is as bad as you say it is it won't stop it being a box-office hit.
You gotta face the unfortunate fact that people(main stream audiences) are sucker for Spiderman.
The only thing we can hope now is that the next 2 movies will bomb so hard that Sony will be finally forced to sell back the rights to its rightful owners Disney/Marvel Studios.
Unfortunately Bob, even though this movie is as bad as you say it is it won't stop it being a box-office hit.
You gotta face the unfortunate fact that people(main stream audiences) are sucker for Spiderman.
The only thing we can hope now is that the next 2 movies will bomb so hard that Sony will be finally forced to sell back the rights to its rightful owners Disney/Marvel Studios.
Let's just hope it won't suffer the same fate as John Carter and Battleship because Taylor Kitch is part of the cast.Kevlar Eater said:
He's more than aware of that. It's why he's so (rightfully) pissed.Antonio Torrente said:
Anyway, interesting quirk I noticed is that they still screwed up the order of things. Gwen came in college after Peter had at LEAST three other significant romantic interests
Enjoyed your review and this follow-up.
I think their are basically two groups of spider-man fans on this one.
The young teenage audience who are into making things more dark and gritty who clearly should be watching Batman more and Spider-man less.
And the ones who have been fans for over 30+ years who've seen the origin done a half dozen different ways and understand the basic structure of Peter as a character. Long term core fans have been the ones giving the harshest reviews as well.
I think their are basically two groups of spider-man fans on this one.
The young teenage audience who are into making things more dark and gritty who clearly should be watching Batman more and Spider-man less.
And the ones who have been fans for over 30+ years who've seen the origin done a half dozen different ways and understand the basic structure of Peter as a character. Long term core fans have been the ones giving the harshest reviews as well.
Two reviews for one movie. MovieBob is spending a -little- too much time here trying to prove that his opinion is right.
Seriously, your first review was all you needed. This second one just reeks of you trying to justify your opinion to the masses that disagree, which is unnecessary and a bit narcissistic of you.
Stop trying to prove your point, your opinion is different than most others. And that's OKAY... stop already.
Seriously, your first review was all you needed. This second one just reeks of you trying to justify your opinion to the masses that disagree, which is unnecessary and a bit narcissistic of you.
Stop trying to prove your point, your opinion is different than most others. And that's OKAY... stop already.
Heh try cramming that sub-plots in a 2 hour movie and it will be an even bigger mess than it already is.Aiddon said:
My thoughts exactly. I was honestly hoping Bob would have the good sense to not go in depth on his Twilight comparison, because now? Now it looks like he's just desperately reaching to get people to hate this film as much as he does.PsychedelicDiamond said:
The Amazing Spider-man is in no way near any Twilight-level of badness, and Parker's haircare ability isn't a good enough reason.
The "great responsibility" thing was still there. The line itself was never said (Uncle Ben said something along the lines of "If you have an opportunity to do something good, you have a responsibility to do it"). Peter sees a crime that he could easily stop but doesn't because of a silly reason, Uncle Ben dies as a result, and then he hunts the killer. Later, when he listens to the voice mail and the thing with the car thief happens, he's inspired to become a real superhero as opposed to before when he was just hunting one guy under the guise of a superhero. I don't know anything about the comics, so I can only judge the movie for what it is and not as an adaptation, but this makes sense to me.
The story of the movie is actually mashing together several of the different Spider-Man continuities.
In The Amazing Spider-Man comics, The Lizard is a different personality than Curt Connors and does on several occasions try to turn the world (or New York at least) into giant lizards like him. And to be fair, in the original run of the comic, no characters actually say "With great power, comes great responsibility," a narrating text box says it at the end of the very first issue.
In the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon (Easily the best Spider-Man cartoon ever but only 24 episodes), Gwen Stacy and Peter are childhood friend who are in high school together and Gwen is working as an intern for Dr. Connors.
In the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, Dr. Connors was friends with Richard Parker, Peter's father, and it's he who accidentally creates Carnage using Spider-Man's DNA and Richard Parker's research.
So yes, while it is not the perfect "Amazing Spider-Man" movie, it gets more correct than Bob gives it credit for.
Additionally, George Stacy has always been a police captain.
In The Amazing Spider-Man comics, The Lizard is a different personality than Curt Connors and does on several occasions try to turn the world (or New York at least) into giant lizards like him. And to be fair, in the original run of the comic, no characters actually say "With great power, comes great responsibility," a narrating text box says it at the end of the very first issue.
In the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon (Easily the best Spider-Man cartoon ever but only 24 episodes), Gwen Stacy and Peter are childhood friend who are in high school together and Gwen is working as an intern for Dr. Connors.
In the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, Dr. Connors was friends with Richard Parker, Peter's father, and it's he who accidentally creates Carnage using Spider-Man's DNA and Richard Parker's research.
So yes, while it is not the perfect "Amazing Spider-Man" movie, it gets more correct than Bob gives it credit for.
Additionally, George Stacy has always been a police captain.
"You can't ignore it" my ass, here I am, in my chair, ignoring the FUCK out of that movie because it looks like completely and total shit and it seems I was right.
they sucked out his brains!
Starship Troopers should be re-run instead of this "Spider-Man."
I know right, that was some hilarious shit. MEDIC!!DVS BSTrD said:
they sucked out his brains!
Starship Troopers should be re-run instead of this "Spider-Man."
I think it's more he did the first review after coming home after the movie pissed off, ranted for probably 3 times the length of the actual video and now that he's had a few days he realises that the first video is just a 5 minute rant - something that's a) not his style and b) not a good piece of work. This video is him giving us the reasons why he hates it so much, not just saying that he does.Quiotu said:
I think the origin story in here borrows a bit more from Ultimate than the original comics, but I see nothing wrong with that. In there Peter runs out of the house, crashes at a friends place, is found by Uncle Ben who makes a comment about his father and Peter runs off again for pretty much the same reason he did in here.
The first review was probably done when it was because Spider-man had an early release and it's just proper for a critic to have their review out the day before or the day of release. Otherwise who cares about a review after you already watched the film.Karma168 said:
This review is because he still has his regularly scheduled time slot to fill.
I still get this feeling that you're going out of your way to hate this movie. Like, far out of your way. And I think you're allowing your (totally justified) hatred of Sony cash-in to color your perception of the folks that actually worked on the movie.MovieBob said:
1. The "dangling plot threads" you've mentioned are a result of this movie not being conceived as a one-off. If the movie had introduced and resolved every thread, you'd be complaining that it's too cluttered. Believe me, I'm not a fan of the Parker-Parent-Conspiracy storyline as a whole... but I can see that they're laying out breadcrumbs to lead down that road later. Connors is one of those, in some ways.
2. I'm really, really not seeing your problem with Peter Parker. He's still an outcast geek here. He's just not the 60's "lie down and take it" kind of geek. If you get any opportunity to interact with high schoolers (and recent graduates, who aren't much different), you'll see that in this modern age, geeks don't feel quite so powerless. They're more likely to react with a bit of anger, and to fight back even knowing they don't physically stand a chance. They're also more likely to hide any fear or embarrassment behind sarcasm, and to start slacking off in academics. You're wanting Parker to be a sort of nerd or geek that, by and large, doesn't exist anymore.
3. The lesson he learned was the same power/responsibility spiel, just played out differently. Instead of being explicitly told that, he learns it via consequence -- by acting in a self-serving way he not only got Uncle Ben killed, but he also accidentally created the Lizard (via a failed attempt to resolve his parental abandonment issues), which resulted in a lot of destruction and ultimately a very important death (no spoiler). (See, his spider powers weren't the only powers he was misusing.) The power/responsibility theme is really just a "selfish vs. selfless" dichotomy -- The more you have to give, the more you have to give.
This feeling of characters being unfocused? I really think it's a matter of wanting too much archetype. Consider that, in many countries, candy and soda aren't as extremely sweet as ours in the US... and that can lead us to find their candy or soda "bland." When we're hyper-saturated with hyper-saturated flavors (or characterizations), we can lose our "taste" for subtlety.
In this case, I don't think you're not capable of detecting subtlety, I just think you're very much against assigning any of it to this movie. Perhaps subconsciously, you're dismissing even the possibility that it could be happening.