I'm not spoiling any of the movie for myself, I'll watch that video when I see the movie. But still UP!
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The best moviebob review I've seen so far, although I'm not a fan of the style of delivery. I was concerned when it started building up to 'a much overlooked recurrent theme', as I felt it may just be a pathetic attempt to appear original. However, the section on the male dynamic in Pixar films so far was enlightening without being too tangential. The previous reviews were much too fanboyish for me, but if the reviews continue in this more rational vein then I may warm to them. I liked most of the references, but there were perhaps too many.
Can't wait to see the film, I'm hoping for a complete Pixar collection when this comes out. There was one released a year ago or so, but it had quite a limited run and no Wall-E so I didn't bother.
I don't think I will ever understand why the Terminator and X-men films can ever claim to have had a reputation as intelligent action films. Not when films like Equilibrium exist.
Can't wait to see the film, I'm hoping for a complete Pixar collection when this comes out. There was one released a year ago or so, but it had quite a limited run and no Wall-E so I didn't bother.
I don't think I will ever understand why the Terminator and X-men films can ever claim to have had a reputation as intelligent action films. Not when films like Equilibrium exist.
It did seems at times that moviebob was teetering on the edge of gushing, but where pixar are concerned that seems wholly justified. At times the review got pretty deep, but this was ruined a bit by moviebob not letting Transformers go - it really wasn't that bad...
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You're going to have to explain that one. Equilibrium seemed pretty one dimensional to me. If the idea of that movie was to point out if you want positive emotions, you need negative emotions and we all better off having both than just being emotionless - surely that's a moot point anyway...it felt to me like Equilibrium was masquerading as an intellectual action film as much as Terminator with their ongoing blurry division between humanity and robots thread...pigeon_of_doom said:
Good as always MovieBob. As insightful as always.
(PS. Don't let The Escapist community change you. You're at your best when you're tossing out the veil of "it's just a movie" and giving the movie an under the hood approach that's theoretical and deep.)
(PPS. Nice theme music)
(PS. Don't let The Escapist community change you. You're at your best when you're tossing out the veil of "it's just a movie" and giving the movie an under the hood approach that's theoretical and deep.)
(PPS. Nice theme music)
I wasn't sure about this or Terminator, haven't seen Moviebob's take on it, but I'll go with Up for the win. Next movie I'll see at least
Cars was pretty crappy. A Bug's life was not bad. But I think Cars was there weakest if not worst film.Cpt_Oblivious said:
There was at least a kind of unifying philosophical point you got from the film (no matter how obvious it may be) and I never got anything like that from Terminator or X-Men (been a while since I have seen any of these films though). I just remember an occasional musing on the nature of machines in Terminator, and some typical Marvel social commentary in X-men. Equilibrium was the best example I could come up with, as I found films like the Matrix and Dark Knight quite shallow, while films like Blade Runner or 12 Monkeys don't quite have enough action to be good comparisons. I'm not actually into action films that much, but Terminator and X-Men are hardly the poster boys for intelligence in the genre which was what I was contesting.carnkhan4 said:
Oh well, I will see it soon.
When it comes to those two films, it's more about the balance of it to me. Terminator and X-Men aren't necessarily the "smartest" of the scifi genre, but they're smart in proportion to their action as opposed to one rising at the other's expense.pigeon_of_doom said:
The X-Men movies, much like their comic counterpart, basically engages in a Jr High honors class level discussion of bigotry, discrimination and the conflict between individual exceptionalism and the stability of a larger society... but most action films don't bother with such themes AT ALL (and for a look at how the X-films would look without even THAT much attention paid to the bigger themes, you need look no further than #3.)
The Terminator films, meanwhile, were playing with REALLY out-there scifi concepts in the 80s and 90s. The first film was taking a fairly "realistic" look forward at the idea of computerized defense systems in an era when the term "battlefield computer" would still draw funny looks at the Pentagon. The second film is regarded as featuring one of the first strong visual representations of nanotechnology in the T-1000, a technology most mainstream folks had never even heard of then.
It's nice to see MovieBob so excited after several weeks of feeling meh.
I really have to find time to see this movie now. Pixar consistently does a good job, partially because they aare not rushing things out the door to try and earn jillions.
Also, are'nt names with punctuation, Punch Out!, and now Up!, so fun with a spellchecker?
I really have to find time to see this movie now. Pixar consistently does a good job, partially because they aare not rushing things out the door to try and earn jillions.
Also, are'nt names with punctuation, Punch Out!, and now Up!, so fun with a spellchecker?
I suppose you're never really going to get a great deal of depth as that 'action' aspect is always going to be peeling away at the time in order to keep the audience interested. Just look what happened to H.G.Wells' War of the Worlds. Equilibrium at least definitely delivers on the action side and attempts some kind of message I suppose. I think the genre could do with a lot of improvement though...pigeon_of_doom said:
Thanks for clearing that up, I see what you were getting at now. As I only saw Terminator some time after I had played Metal Gear Solid, the nanotechnology talk was rather underwhelming. I liked the gritty aesthetic, but I only ever saw it as a brainless action film; me as a 13yr old was never going to appreciate it's cultural context.MovieBob said:
Agreed. Kurosawa showed 60 years ago that it's possible to combine action films with artistic merit (albiet with about an hour and a half of character development in Seven Samurai). The genre really should have developed much further in that regard by now.carnkhan4 said:
Does anyone else want more MANLY movies with MANLY characters doing MASCULINE things?
it seems like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbxq0IDqD04] Pixar has been into the energy drinks [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk&feature=related] for a while. They just seem to win at things nobody should.
it seems like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbxq0IDqD04] Pixar has been into the energy drinks [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk&feature=related] for a while. They just seem to win at things nobody should.
I will never have anything bad said about A Bug's Life because I loved it as a kid.Darkrai said:
Cars was alright, I guess..
To be honest, MovieBob's gushing enthusiasm makes me a tiny bit skeptical. But I'll probably see this as soon as I can. Pixar's work is always top-notch, and I expect Up will be no exception.
I'll watch a bugs life again. I show it before and thought it was ok as a kidCpt_Oblivious said:
Cant wait to see this one! I think Pixar has done a very good job on all of their films. There are some that are, in my opinion, not as good as others but for the most part they are a hit factory.
Favs: Toy Story, Bugs Life (7 samurai with bugs lol), Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall*E. Especially Wall*E. I think animation students are going to be studying Well*E for the next hundred years or so.
Not Favs: Cars, Incredibles, Monsters Inc., Toy Story 2 (just didn't need a sequel). I know I know, everyone loves Incredibles. It just didn't do anything for me at all. I kept thinking that I didn't care what happened to the family and the way they rendered the hair on the characters was annoyingly distracting.
Just my 3 cents.
Favs: Toy Story, Bugs Life (7 samurai with bugs lol), Finding Nemo, Ratatouille, and Wall*E. Especially Wall*E. I think animation students are going to be studying Well*E for the next hundred years or so.
Not Favs: Cars, Incredibles, Monsters Inc., Toy Story 2 (just didn't need a sequel). I know I know, everyone loves Incredibles. It just didn't do anything for me at all. I kept thinking that I didn't care what happened to the family and the way they rendered the hair on the characters was annoyingly distracting.
Just my 3 cents.