Escape to the Movies: Zero Dark Thirty
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Y'know what, In that context Batman is a pretty good metaphor for the US but if you start telling me that Batmerica is the Hero we deserve but not the one we need right now....tehpiemaker said:
yeah that was sort of weird. just say killed, terminated always sounds like people trying an distance themselves from the reality of killing.Friederich said:
Just like "The Hurt Locker", her last big military film? That certainly didn't "inspired" me to want to join the glamorous world of the military. It was rather cynical, actually.beef_razor said:
... Or are we judging a film we haven't seen yet and slapping an agenda on it? Again? What next? Is "The Dark Knight" a cleverly disguised portrayal of right-wing thinking? Is "The Lorax" a clever ploy to corrupt kids into liberal opinions? Is "Passion of the Christ" anti-Jewish propaganda? Is "Saving Private Ryan" part of Steven Spielberg's anti-German campaign? Is "300" a parable of George W. Bush's political career?
It's pretty ignorant and stupid to claim a film has an agenda when you haven't seen the film yourself, or you go into a film telling yourself it has an agenda and you'll be picking up the things that support your beliefs and ignoring the parts that don't.
I'll try to avoid the petty politics, but I'll be concise here: no government is entirely "good" nor "evil", and there is much every nation on this planet has to be ashamed about in some way, both past and recent. That said, the death of one of the most prominent and influential terrorist leaders on the globe and the mastermind behind the largest terrorist attack on my nation is absolutely something I approve of and, yes, was HAPPY to know happened. Regardless of the methods used to find him, regardless of the bone-headed things my nation has done, the killing of such a hateful, murder-loving monster like that man was is nothing but a blessing to the world. His death will not bring peace to my soul for the losses I endured or the family I lost, but it brings peace to my mind knowing he'll never again be able to orchestrate the pain and suffering of other innocents. We cannot fully eradicate evil in this world, but the loss of one of the darkest and most hateful souls on this world to allow a bit more light to shine is cause enough to find some measure of satisfaction.
Because he was a member of an insurgency, and as such he had no rights; certainly not to a trial.firmicute said:
Don't believe me or don't like that? It's in the Geneva Conventions. The US was well within its rights to blow the guy's brain out then and there.
That is not what I meant, nor how I feel. I do not believe two wrongs make a right.jaded zombie said:
We are very much in the wrong on many things. I do not believe the ends justify the means. But that does NOT mean that when some good occurs, I cannot be happy that it still occurred. My fiance's grandfather was in the Japanese military in WW2 when the bomb was dropped; from what I was told, of course he wasn't "happy" to lose the war and have his nation bombed... but that doesn't mean he wasn't allowed to find peace and satisfaction that the long and bitter war finally came to an end, even if the means to get there were terrible. No more comrades dying, no more fearful and desperate fights for survival, no more worries... it was over, and, though it came with the bitterness of defeat, it also brought him and millions of others peace...
... And, well, American occupation led him to meet an American woman, whose kids came to America, and whose grandchild met me and proposed to me. Good CAN come from evil. I'll be right there criticizing evil when it occurs, but I also won't be blind or unaware when some good occurs as well.
All right, enlighten me: how is it propaganda? Bob flat-out says in his review that it doesn't have an agenda; it doesn't tell you what to think, it just shows you what happened and lets you figure out for yourself what to think.beef_razor said:
THAT'S NOT WHAT PROPAGANDA IS. Propaganda is an attempt to influence people into thinking a certain way. For fuck's sake, is "propaganda" now going to become one of those internet words that are overused until the point of utter meaninglessness, like "epic", "emo" or "pretentious"?
I'm kind of curious to know how differently the box office total of this movie is going to end up as between the continents. (Relatively speaking of course.)
For Americans, obviously those two events were life defining. For Euro folk, the attack was about as big a story as the Japanese tidal wave meltdown. And the eventual capture and kill was almost shrugworthy, if it happened at all /tinfoil. So how will that impact the movie, both in public appeal and in appreciation?
For Americans, obviously those two events were life defining. For Euro folk, the attack was about as big a story as the Japanese tidal wave meltdown. And the eventual capture and kill was almost shrugworthy, if it happened at all /tinfoil. So how will that impact the movie, both in public appeal and in appreciation?
Where was I during 9/11? I was at home with friends playing WWF No Mercy. Someone shouted to me that something was happening in America but I didn't really care. WWF No Mercy was just too awesome.
And I really have no idea where I was when Osama died. The only thing I remember is being creeped out how Americans were celebrating the killing of a person afterwards. Hell, I was surprised they just dumped his body into the sea instead of flying it to America and parading it around the nation.
I'll most likely not watch this movie because while I do like war documentaries, anything War on Terror related that comes out of America tends to make me feel a little bit uncomfortable.
And I really have no idea where I was when Osama died. The only thing I remember is being creeped out how Americans were celebrating the killing of a person afterwards. Hell, I was surprised they just dumped his body into the sea instead of flying it to America and parading it around the nation.
I'll most likely not watch this movie because while I do like war documentaries, anything War on Terror related that comes out of America tends to make me feel a little bit uncomfortable.
Why is it I get the feeling that I'm really not welcome on this website? Seriously I can't go into half of the threads around here without feeling like half of the people on this website want me to fuck off.
"STOP BEIN' A PART OF THE SYSTEM, MAAAAN!"beef_razor said:
Look, you are not enlightened. You are a tinfoil-hat wearing conspiracy theory twit. There is no proof that Osama bin Laden died years ago. Like I said, this film is not propaganda just because it doesn't cater to whatever conspiracy theories you believe in.