Escapist Dragon Age II Review, Is Something Wrong Here?
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I don't say trolls but a rabid fan base... Come on even before the game came out people already hated, why? because it looks different and plays different it's a step away from the basic formula that the fans enjoyed and that scares them, not because the game is bad but because it isn't the same game... let me quote Yahtzee, "Fans are clingy, complaining, dipshits, who will never ever be grateful for any concession you make..."
You know, you're probably right on both accounts but the problem I have with the review is how it's worded.ultrachicken said:
Case and point the graphics. Hyperbole is all well and good but when you're going to get specific about things let's not be ridiculous. If you want to say "the graphics for Origins on the consoles looks last-gen" that sounds a bit more like exaggeration. But when you say things that are provably wrong, such as saying this game looks like Elder Scrolls: Morrowind (a game released in 2002) it's far too precise a statement to be not have umbrage taken with it.
As for the Darkspawn thing, honestly that wasn't meant to be the whole plot. The player was supposed to get invested in the idea of Loghain as an evil bastard and want to take revenge on him for all the things he did with the Darkspawn threat on the doorstep. You were supposed to get caught up in the political maneuvering of Loghain and Arl Howe, using that as your immediate threat while the Darkspawn were supposed to be the greater, faceless evil that is threatening the land. Honestly I had no issue with connecting with my character after playing as a Human Noble and spending the game seeking absolute revenge!
Also I like how it classifies quests that, to the casual reader who hasn't played the game, sound like side quests and compares them to the the main quest of Origins. The initial response I had was "Of course doing side quests produces more immediate and tangible responses to the world." Saving a girl from ransomers always feels more immediate and rewarding than the overarching plot of a game (until the climax). Those could be main plot quests that are integral to the storyline but at a first read that section made me laugh.
First off, if you have the PC version they will auto attack properly, if you're talking about the console version, you may be misunderstanding what "auto attack" means in regards to what we're talking about, we are NOT talking about the automatic attacks by characters not currently being controlled by the player, that works fine. What we are talking about is having to press the "A" button on the 360 version for each standard attack instead of pressing "A" once and having the controlled character keep attacking until we gave him/her a new command.arc1991 said:
Please answer my question, I'm not saying your theory is wrong, but that's primarily because I have no idea what your theory is, please tell me what your theory is for why Dragon Age 2 is receiving these low scores.Zaik said:
I just quoted him, I think he doesn't understand what we mean by auto-attacking, I have a feeling he thinks we're talking about the non-player controlled characters attacking enemies automatically, when really we're talking about having to press A for each attack performed by the currently controlled character.Zaik said:
Escapist gave it 5/5 not 100/100, Meta critic just rounded it off so it would fit there flawed system. And I'm sorry, I've read a lot of the 1-2/10 Scores they ARE nerd ragers pissed they cant play Dungeon keeper 2009 2.
And will you please stop Dubbing everyone a Fanboy because they disagree with you? Didn't moviebob already cover this.
Yeah i played it. Its not as good as origins, Its a 70-80% game after a 90% game. But come on, have you read meta critic? 0's and 1s out of 10? This game is as good as superman 64? based off its own short comings and in no way or form anger about change or disappointment?
Sorry I see nothing here that Fable 2-3 Didn't do if a lot worse. And most people gave that 7-8s.
This is just silly anger Blinding silly people. And why i tend to ignore user reviews.
And will you please stop Dubbing everyone a Fanboy because they disagree with you? Didn't moviebob already cover this.
Yeah i played it. Its not as good as origins, Its a 70-80% game after a 90% game. But come on, have you read meta critic? 0's and 1s out of 10? This game is as good as superman 64? based off its own short comings and in no way or form anger about change or disappointment?
Sorry I see nothing here that Fable 2-3 Didn't do if a lot worse. And most people gave that 7-8s.
This is just silly anger Blinding silly people. And why i tend to ignore user reviews.
Just to confirm: I have it on the 360 and there doesn't seem to be an "auto-attack" option. I say "doesn't seem to be" because I could have overlooked something.Zaik said:
Game Informer actually gave it a significantly worse score than The Escapist.tanis1lionheart said:
GI: 83
Escapist: 100
It's fine, the reason I assumed that was the mistake you were making was because it seemed like an easy mistake to make. I'm just glad the confusion is cleared uparc1991 said:
I have hardly seen any advertising for DA2 on the site, but this does raise my suspisions. A 100/100 review? Is it even possible to give that without looking like you totally got paid off? The only game I remember hearing 10/10 scores was Halo, and it's assumed Microsoft payed off everybody.
You know what? I'm not the Wayward Son because I passive aggressively question a bribe due to fear of mods. I respect the Escapist mods and from what I have seen they keep this forum nicer than any forum I've seen, and I don't think they will put somebody on the choping block with no prior offensives just for doubting a review.
I loved Dragon Age Origins, but DA2 is still a pretty good game. I like it well enough. But I don't believe the review was ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT honest.
You know what? I'm not the Wayward Son because I passive aggressively question a bribe due to fear of mods. I respect the Escapist mods and from what I have seen they keep this forum nicer than any forum I've seen, and I don't think they will put somebody on the choping block with no prior offensives just for doubting a review.
I loved Dragon Age Origins, but DA2 is still a pretty good game. I like it well enough. But I don't believe the review was ONE-HUNDRED PERCENT honest.
danpascooch said:
My theory is that there were a smallish number of people who liked Dragon Age: Origins a lot, and somehow came to the conclusion through accident or fanboy rage goggles or whatever came to the conclusion that Dragon Age 2 "sold out", and became some sort of button mashing Gauntlet clone, and therefore decided to hop on guerillamail.com to make some quick disposable emails to register a ton of throwaway accounts that were used to give DA2 a 0-2 rating.
Like I said, it wouldn't be difficult to do 5-10 of these on your own in an hour. Let's say out of everyone who was mad about this, 20 people were mad enough that they decided to spam 0-2 ratings and reviews up just because they didn't like it so much.
I'm not here to argue over whether or not the game is good or bad or the reviewer was paid off or not, I was just saying that 20 people could have engineered the entire metacritic rating in two days, so it's not really remotely reliable of a system to use as evidence.
Why does everyone care so much about if the game was reviewed properly? No game is ever reviewed bloody properly. The best review site I've seen is Classic Game Room and they too have some fishy reviews over there every once and a while.
I get that this is about the escapists review but perhaps it's the same nonsense as usual. I still don't believe the metacritic reviews, especially after the last few times this has happened.
I get that this is about the escapists review but perhaps it's the same nonsense as usual. I still don't believe the metacritic reviews, especially after the last few times this has happened.
I assume that your comment about dubbing people fanboys is directed at me (the OP) since you didn't quote anyone, in that case I don't know what OP you think you read, because I was very careful not to use the word "fanboy" or imply its equivalent at any point, don't make assumptions about my post if you didn't read it.Danial said:
What exactly does "silly anger" mean? What about these people's anger is silly? They mostly complain about lackluster environments and story structure, which doesn't seem silly to me at all. Regardless of whether people treat Metacritic as a like/dislike system (with either 1's or 10's) the point is that this sort of negative review fest did NOT happen with games such as Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect 1 and 2. The entirety of nerd-dom did not change since Dragon Age Origins, the only thing that changed was the game being reviewed.
And FYI, calling feedback "nerd rage" is just as bad as calling someone a "fanboy" it's just on the other end of the spectrum.
People treat Metacritic as a pass/fail system, I agree that's a problem, but every game reviewed on Metacritic has to deal with that same disadvantage, yet Dragon Age Origins and the Mass Effect series have positive scores despite it, while DA2 does not, meaning that DA2 is the cause of this negative score, not the system itself.Xzi said: