Escapist News Now: Thor Is Now A Girl!

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Imp_Emissary

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the December King said:
Sorry, Imp Emissary, but yeah, my quote button still seems to be broken. Might be Firefox. S'been letting me down, these last few months...

Anyways, it's the fact that for all intents and purposes a man is being replaced by a woman for the sake of inclusiveness that irritates me. It means that characters I like could concieveably be replaced by characters that I MAY not like, but will have no choice but to deal with because... well, because it was forced to happen. Instead of money being dumped into development of a new IP.

On the other hand, since all press is good press, it certainly has the PR power to get noticed, so congrats on that. I just wonder if it was a move that will have any true staying power for Marvel.

(Although in hindsight you were more clever- the Hammer being taken away is a much better analogy to boys having their toys taken away!)
I see what you mean about new IPs, though there are a few bright sides to this.

For one, because they did it this way, Thor(male) is still around, and they can still make comics for him. Yeah, he lost his hammer, but I'm sure it's not the only awesome weapon around. Plus, it's not like that's all he's got.

Also, because they're replacing him with a new character and not just rewriting him as a woman, they have a lot more wiggle room to make an interesting character.

Weather or not Thor(female) turns out to be an interesting character, or if she's just Thor with a larger breast plate...
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<.<....Or rather, Thor with a SMALLER breast plate...

We'll find out when we see the comics themselves.

Also, thank you for the compliment and pleasant chat so far. :)
 

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D Though I do understand what you meant. :/ Poor Aquaman. First you're made the joke of superheroes, then they break up your marriage. ;p
They've managed to make him seem a bit cooler lately. But it's hard to do with mister orange and green himself. Alex Ross had some great versions of him as a bearded king that I liked. I guess he just didn't age well as a comic.

As for the functional difference, the first Thor is still alive and doing stuff. As I said, we have two Thors now.

As for the hammer thing, yeah they other got to use the Hammer, but I assume they didn't "keep" it. Thor is his name, but it was also his job ("Thor: God of Thunder!" and what not). It's a bit odd, but so are a lot of Asgard things. Like a weapon that can pick who gets to use it. ;p

By them saying she is now "Thor", I think what they mean is she's now the new God of Thunder.
If she just has his powers but isn't called Thor, then who cares? It's just a new person giving his powers? But from what they're saying this is Thor now. That's different.

But I disagree. Thor in this universe is a person. With or without his powers he is Thor. Thor isn't a job title. It's his first name.

As for Sif, fair enough. I can see an argument for having her take up the role. Though, doesn't she already have one?
If she's Thor, who will be Sif? And who will be whoever replaces Sif?
xD Maybe Mjolnir chose someone else to avoid causing a fuss of secession?
Make Sif into Thor? No way in heck. I mean to have Sif largely replace Thor's role (a member of the Avengers and the Asgardian protector of Earth). Not to become Thor. I mean that they didn't have to make a female Thor as a PR stunt. They should have just elevated existing female characters or created new ones instead of bastardizing existing characters. The thing about female Thor is that she's always going to be in male Thor's shadow. She will never be her own character. It's like making a Thorina in everything but name. Sif is her own badass self with similar powers of any Asgardian. She could not just fill Thor's boots but own the role all by herself. Shame on them for believing the only way a female character can be popular is by giving them a male character's power and identity.
 

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I have no problem with women taking up the mantle of a male hero, but this is just inane. Ms. Marvel becoming Captain Marvel for instance, she'd been far more popular, far better written and far more actively used in the comics that it just made sense. They could have easily drawn on existing Asgardian characters like Valkyrie or Sif, used Thor's popularity to give them a spot-light and spring-board them into a new series. But I guess you can't reveal that on The View.

If Marvel is really serious about wanting more female readers it should do the hard work of writing and promoting good female characters, new and old, and not resort to cheap gimmicks that annoy long term fans and condescend the very people they're supposed to be trying to appeal to.
 

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I guess the comic Thor does not have Jarngreipr (his iron glove), but I´m not so sure about Megingiard, the belt that gives him super strenght (2x asgardian power). If he has the belt, will it also be taken?

Also Sif should be like the blodest blond ever ^^!
 

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hmm, I'm sure its some elaborate deception or some giant redemption story for Thor that will just end up further cementing the idea that he is the true thunder god or something along those lines.

I'm still gonna call it "Lady Thor" or "PR stunt Thor"...was thinking about a menstrual joke here but decided it would be seen as offensive to some sooo...Is Mjolnir going to turn red for 3-5 days a month while lady Thor goes into berserk mode? I know. Sorry. I couldn't help it. JK

And for the record Thor is a name not part of the title otherwise why wouldn't it just be "The god of thunder"
 

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Lightknight said:
Imp Emissary said:
D Though I do understand what you meant. :/ Poor Aquaman. First you're made the joke of superheroes, then they break up your marriage. ;p
They've managed to make him seem a bit cooler lately. But it's hard to do with mister orange and green himself. Alex Ross had some great versions of him as a bearded king that I liked. I guess he just didn't age well as a comic.

As for the functional difference, the first Thor is still alive and doing stuff. As I said, we have two Thors now.

As for the hammer thing, yeah they other got to use the Hammer, but I assume they didn't "keep" it. Thor is his name, but it was also his job ("Thor: God of Thunder!" and what not). It's a bit odd, but so are a lot of Asgard things. Like a weapon that can pick who gets to use it. ;p

By them saying she is now "Thor", I think what they mean is she's now the new God of Thunder.
If she just has his powers but isn't called Thor, then who cares? It's just a new person giving his powers? But from what they're saying this is Thor now. That's different.

But I disagree. Thor in this universe is a person. With or without his powers he is Thor. Thor isn't a job title. It's his first name.

As for Sif, fair enough. I can see an argument for having her take up the role. Though, doesn't she already have one?
If she's Thor, who will be Sif? And who will be whoever replaces Sif?
xD Maybe Mjolnir chose someone else to avoid causing a fuss of secession?
Make Sif into Thor? No way in heck. I mean to have Sif largely replace Thor's role (a member of the Avengers and the Asgardian protector of Earth). Not to become Thor. I mean that they didn't have to make a female Thor as a PR stunt. They should have just elevated existing female characters or created new ones instead of bastardizing existing characters. The thing about female Thor is that she's always going to be in male Thor's shadow. She will never be her own character. It's like making a Thorina in everything but name. Sif is her own badass self with similar powers of any Asgardian. She could not just fill Thor's boots but own the role all by herself. Shame on them for believing the only way a female character can be popular is by giving them a male character's power and identity.
I kind of like the character of Aquaman that was in Batman: Brave and the Bold. Boastful, likes to tell stories, and has a great time being a hero. Combine him with the powers he had in the Young Justice show, and you'd have a fun superhero. :)

As for Thor being replaced, I think it could be very interesting. Because it could changes things for the prophecy of Ragnarok. Thor's not just there to be a hero, but to also eventually die with the other Asgardians in the war against the agents of chaos. That is what it is to BE Thor.

For Thor to lose that honor and it to be given to someone else changes what the Asgardians have been believing for a long time. It is his name, yes, but it is also his role.

For it to be passed on to someone else could bring up a lot of questions about the how Ragnarok could go down.
Was this female Thor the "True" Thor all along, just waiting to be given what is hers by destiny, or has fate been changed?
If the prophecy has been changed in this way, could it be altered in other ways too? Or is this still how it's "suppose to be"?

Weather or not the comics are of worth and if this was just done as a stunt or is what they really want to do will show in their work.

That said, I do see the appeal of your idea. It also goes along with changing Ragnarok. If Thor isn't there, who will do what he was meant to? Perhaps Sif?

That said, I wonder what Sif will think of the new Thor. :/

Also, again, they aren't "bastardizing existing characters". They're making a new one, and giving her the role of an old one.
 

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Thor is female!?!?!

I'm 100% indifferent. We've seen gender and racial role changes in the past and it's met with both success and failure. What interests me the most out of this is the story of what led to male Thor to become 'unworthy' and where does he go from here/
 

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Imp Emissary said:
As for Thor being replaced, I think it could be very interesting. Because it could changes things for the prophecy of Ragnarok. Thor's not just there to be a hero, but to also eventually die with the other Asgardians in the war against the agents of chaos. That is what it is to BE Thor.
No, it is just his name. Thor is a person in the same way Clark Kent is a person. You don't become Clark Kent by gaining superman's powers. At most they may call you Superman/woman in his place but not Kent.

That said, I do see the appeal of your idea. It also goes along with changing Ragnarok. If Thor isn't there, who will do what he was meant to? Perhaps Sif?

That said, I wonder what Sif will think of the new Thor. :/

Also, again, they aren't "bastardizing existing characters". They're making a new one, and giving her the role of an old one.
If it's a new character, why is the name Thor?
 

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Lightknight said:
Imp Emissary said:
As for Thor being replaced, I think it could be very interesting. Because it could changes things for the prophecy of Ragnarok. Thor's not just there to be a hero, but to also eventually die with the other Asgardians in the war against the agents of chaos. That is what it is to BE Thor.
No, it is just his name. Thor is a person in the same way Clark Kent is a person. You don't become Clark Kent by gaining superman's powers. At most they may call you Superman/woman in his place but not Kent.

That said, I do see the appeal of your idea. It also goes along with changing Ragnarok. If Thor isn't there, who will do what he was meant to? Perhaps Sif?

That said, I wonder what Sif will think of the new Thor. :/

Also, again, they aren't "bastardizing existing characters". They're making a new one, and giving her the role of an old one.
If it's a new character, why is the name Thor?
Because it's not just a name to the Asgardians? Like I said, Thor has a role to play in the coming Ragnarok.

If he can't fulfill that role,(if he can't use mjolnir), they need someone else to do it.

Hold on....
Actually, have they named her Thor?
They say she "is Thor now", but I guess that could just be an awkward way to say she's replacing his role in their world.

That or like I said, she's taken of his role, so they gave her his name as well.
 

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Just want to point out if DC came out and changed Wonder Woman to a man, the backlash would be felt by the grandchildren of the writers.
Now whatever you think of new and imboobed Thor, remember its a gimmick designed to sell comics for 'shock' value. Like when they made Superman fat or SpiderMan black.
Now that's something, what if DC actually made Wonder Woman a transvestite? Has this been done somewhere? Hey it'd sell.
 

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Really dislike how Marvel can play around with the Aesir like that, just because the nordic mythology is public domain.

Always have.

This just adds to my disliking.
 

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Call Me Jose said:
Silentpony said:
Just want to point out if DC came out and changed Wonder Woman to a man, the backlash would be felt by the grandchildren of the writers.
Now whatever you think of new and imboobed Thor, remember its a gimmick designed to sell comics for 'shock' value. Like when they made Superman fat or SpiderMan black.
Now that's something, what if DC actually made Wonder Woman a transvestite? Has this been done somewhere? Hey it'd sell.
Hmm, that'd actually really play into her whole dominatrix beginnings too. Interesting.

Imp Emissary said:
Because it's not just a name to the Asgardians? Like I said, Thor has a role to play in the coming Ragnarok.

If he can't fulfill that role,(if he can't use mjolnir), they need someone else to do it.
Disagree strongly. Thor is Thor the same way Clark Kent is Clark Kent except that Thor is his actual identity. Thor isn't Thor because of his power or the hammer. Thor is Thor because that's what his daddy and mommy named him. Hence Thor Odinson being his full name. Granting someone else his powers just makes them themselves with the power. Hulk didn't become Thor. He was just Hulk with the additional power. We have countless examples of this.

Hold on....
Actually, have they named her Thor?
They say she "is Thor now", but I guess that could just be an awkward way to say she's replacing his role in their world.

That or like I said, she's taken of his role, so they gave her his name as well.
That's what I'm hoping for. If that's the case then I couldn't care less about this as a slight against male fans and would actually be interested in this and how it plays out. I still dislike that other female Asgardians got snubbed for being the new female character on the forefront but at least they wouldn't be bastardizing a male character for the 'cause'. Man, this conversation has really made me want to read some comics centered around the other Agardian gals.

However, they seemed clear on this point. That this isn't THorina or whatever, it's Thor. I wonder if this is just an idiot writer who decided to make this his stamp on comics history or if it's a major writer that I like/care about?
 

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I read that the inscription on the hammer said that whoever is worthy to pick up the hammer has the powers of Thor. So she is Thor in namesake only as she has the hammer.
 

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SonOfVoorhees said:
I read that the inscription on the hammer said that whoever is worthy to pick up the hammer has the powers of Thor. So she is Thor in namesake only as she has the hammer.
Having the "Power" of something does not make you that thing. Shouldn't be namesake either. This isn't Thor, this is a person named X who wields Thor's power.
 

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Yeah, this is stupid. If they just made a Freyja comic, or Hel, or Sif, or ANY female nordic deity this would be fine. But
this is more a stunt to make headlines than any attempt at creativity.
Exactly! Norse mythology already has some great female deities, most of who serve as direct counterpoints to the male gods (Hel and Loki, Freyja and Frey, Frigga and Odin, etc...).
 

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I dunno it kinda cheapens the whole "Broader representation, yeah!" message when you KNOW it's only a temporary shock change. Oh wait they said it was "not a temporary change" and was "permanent" uhuh. Just like when Superman died, or when Captain America "died", or when Doctor Strange was replaced by Brother Voodoo. All really permanent stuff.

If this is just a ploy to retcon Valkyrie back in it's a shame. She had such a convoluted but unique original origin story.
 

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Lightknight said:
SonOfVoorhees said:
I read that the inscription on the hammer said that whoever is worthy to pick up the hammer has the powers of Thor. So she is Thor in namesake only as she has the hammer.
Having the "Power" of something does not make you that thing. Shouldn't be namesake either. This isn't Thor, this is a person named X who wields Thor's power.
But the person we know as Thor....is he even Thor? He is just a man with a hammer. So he could also be person x that wields Thors Hammer. Same as anyone can be Batman if they dress up like him to fight crime.
 

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SonOfVoorhees said:
Lightknight said:
SonOfVoorhees said:
I read that the inscription on the hammer said that whoever is worthy to pick up the hammer has the powers of Thor. So she is Thor in namesake only as she has the hammer.
Having the "Power" of something does not make you that thing. Shouldn't be namesake either. This isn't Thor, this is a person named X who wields Thor's power.
But the person we know as Thor....is he even Thor? He is just a man with a hammer. So he could also be person x that wields Thors Hammer. Same as anyone can be Batman if they dress up like him to fight crime.
His name is Thor Odinson (Thor, Son of Odin, another actual character). "Thor" isn't a superhero moniker for Thor. It's what his mommy called him in the cradle. Thor is Thor regardless of powers so it's a mistake for someone to gain his powers and magically become "Thor" unless that's what their mommy named them too.

This is like someone getting into the Iron Man suit of armor and calling themselves Tony Stark. Or, to use your example, dresses up like the dark knight and then calls themselves Bruce Wayne. The person may be filling the superhero roles of those people but they don't become the individual.

Is the newcomer the god of thunder? Sure, that's the power she now possesses. But Thor? Shouldn't be the case. This is a mistake by the writers if so.
 

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Lightknight said:
That's what I'm hoping for. If that's the case then I couldn't care less about this as a slight against male fans and would actually be interested in this and how it plays out. I still dislike that other female Asgardians got snubbed for being the new female character on the forefront but at least they wouldn't be bastardizing a male character for the 'cause'. Man, this conversation has really made me want to read some comics centered around the other Agardian gals.
First; I agree that it would be neat to hear/read/see more about the other characters in Thor's world.

Second; Why is replacing Thor with a woman a slight against male fans?
Men can't like new women characters? Women fans can't possibly not like this change?
This sounds more like a personal slight.

As for her being called Thor.[sub](If they are actually calling her Thor)[/sub]

This doesn't sound like a person just using Thor's weapon, she is given ownership of it. I understand what you mean about Thor being his name, but why can't it also have meaning as a title/role as well? Have they stated it isn't?


Actually, :/ I guess we should be asking Marvel this stuff.....Or the person writing writing this story.
Why do comics have to be so weird? xD